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Delete and Move

E D Berman has been moved without any discussion to ED Berman by a user listed as far as I can make out via their talk page, a sockpuppet User:Gaybryant. Grateful if someone could let me know who to bring this to the notice of. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 23:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Edmund Patrick: I have moved the article back to E.D. Berman with the summary of "Undoing move by user blocked for sockpuppetry, and move was done without prior discussion." Thanks for reporting this. Cheers ‍ Relativity 23:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

If you cannot revert an undiscussed move yourself, you can ask the technical move requests board. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Relativity Rotideypoc41352 I completely disagree with this reversal, as a simple Google search reveals that the American-born Brit ED Berman himself, uses the British (and worldwide) way of using initialisms.

ED Berman at LinkedIn

ED Berman at Facebook

ED Berman at Twitter

ED Berman at Unfinished Histories

Edward David (ED) Berman at Rebel Video

ED Berman at Rebel Video

ED Berman at London Community Video Archive

This is just another case of Americans thinking all of Misplaced Pages should be in the American format. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Edmund Patrick Relativity Rotideypoc41352 I've also just noticed that the article was created correctly as ED Berman...

And then it was "moved without any discussion" on the 17th of June 2019 by, you guessed it, an American. Danstarr69 (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Note to hosts or any passers-by: Danstarr69 has already opened a RM at Talk:E.D. Berman, so the discussion should continue there. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you. As original research I can say here he was known as Ed Berman in the 70s and maybe after discussing any changes it may become that. Edmund Patrick – confer 20:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Horace Heyman

Hello

I am a first time writer for Misplaced Pages, and just completed an article entitled "Horace Heyman" on December 30, today.

It is about my father, but all sources, duly annotated, are public, including Misplaced Pages itself, newspapers, and magazines.

My first question is what is the average time for review.

My second question is how do I access my Sandbox, once I have left the user page.

My third question is that for some reason Misplaced Pages claims it does not like my User name, but then it seems to accept it anyway..

My fourth question is that apparently I have to use a Template but I have no idea why or how to access templates from my User page. Ipandro Acaico (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

|: This guy wrote into my question! I moved him here. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Another, fifth, question.

I know that my last questions are now at the bottom of the page, a long way.

How do I know when and if someone has answered them. Do I have to wait permanently on this page for the rest of the day, or does someone advise me, and, if so, how and where?

By email? with a Popup? with a sound? Ipandro Acaico (talk) 16:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ipandro, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your sandbox is at User:Ipandro Acaico/sandbox, and there are various ways of accessing it. If you're using the default skin, then there's a "person" at the top right, with a menu below it, including "Sandbox"; or you can find it from your contributions list.

I have added a header to it which will allow you to submit it for review when it is ready - but it is not yet. Please read referencing for beginners - and note that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, and so should never be cited as a reference (though you are encouraged to wikilink appropriate items in the text. ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

One further comment: creating a new article is one of the most challenging tasks there is in editing Misplaced Pages. I strongly advise you to leave your sandbox alone for a few months (nobody will touch it) while you learn about editing Misplaced Pages by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles - especially, learning about finding and citing sources.

Writing about your father is even more difficult, because you have a conflict of interest, and you are likely to find it hard to write in the required neutral point of view. The thing to remember - which is surprising to newcomers - is that the article must be based on independent reliable published sources, not on what you know. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Colin

1. On finding the sandbox, v ery useful input...I happen to have enlarged my screen so the dropdown mark next to the face was not visible on it.
2. On Misplaced Pages as source, I get the point. A Wikilink is sufficient...why doublecount?
3. On conflict of interest, i don't see an issue because a) my father was indisputably a real pioneer in electric vehicles, the equivalent of Elon Musk, because was ahead of his time (my loss!). and b) he has been recognized for his achievements: if you press on the Honours link, you will note that most Knights Bachelor of his year, 1976, are considered worthy of Wikipèdia articles. Another thing I have realized is that the act of writing my father's minibio actually forces me to string together other Misplaced Pages entries (specifically Smith Electric Vehicle, Sevcon and Mister Softee) and help me produce a credible narrative, as well as make people access more Misplaced Pages entries.
4. I get your point about independently reliable sources - some of which I discovered through the act of producing the document.
5. Several months seems excessive for a first article. I have already produced 10 books, having typeset the last 4 using Microsoft, each in one year, so I hope to be a bit quicker.
6. My followup question, when and how do I submit the "final" article for review. Implicit in that question is how do I differentiate the final article from "publishing" the Sandbox?

I am grateful for your rapid and complete response to my previous questions. Ipandro Acaico (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

a Sixth question

When I go to my User Page, it says that Misplaced Pages does not have an exact name for my page, but then uses my User name Ipandro Acaico anyway.

What on earth does that mean? Ipandro Acaico (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello again. The meaning of that is that you have not yet created your user page User:Ipandro Acaico (which is why it appears in red, and why Misplaced Pages says it can't find a page of that name). But if you choose (it is entirely optional) you may create your user page - that is what it is offering you. If you do so, please have a look at WP:UPYES, to get a sense of what is allowed on a user page and what is not. ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ipandro Acaico: Note that Misplaced Pages articles cannot be used as references (per WP:CIRCULAR). GoingBatty (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

As is common with many newcomers, you have been writing your article WP:BACKWARDS (please read that linked page). For example, you write Heyman also diversified the company to the manufacture of refrigerated trucks, and of ice-cream trucks, by introducing soft ice-cream to the United Kingdom through a joint venture with Mister Softee but the only citation for that statement which is supposed to be used by readers to verify that this is true is in fact a link to the top level of the Softee website, which of course says nothing about Heyman. My recommendation is to start again in a few months, after you have understood how Misplaced Pages works and you have amassed a group of suitable sources meeting these criteria. The obituary in The Independent may be one of these but you need several. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

P.S. You might like to start by improving the article Sevcon, which could do with additional reliable sources. That will help you develop your editing skills. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Ipandro Acaico there are ways to 'ping' someone, as I have done you, so that next time you log in you will get an indication at the top menu that there is content for you. For drafts and articles, people add those to their 'Watch' list, so likewise, when checking Watch, you see recent edits to what you are watching. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

In answer to one of your questions, after a draft is submitted, it waits until a reviewer decides to review it. The backlog is not a queue. Could be days to weeks. During that time, you can continue to work on the draft. David notMD (talk) 22:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Mike

I am confused about how it keeps on telling me that Ipandro Acaico is a User Page and letting me use it. Do I have to create a new User Page.

On the Mister Softee link, the idea of producing it is so that the reader can find out who they are. The question is why do i need an external proof of my father with Mister Softee when I grew up with it, i.e. I AM THE FIRST HAND SOURCE! Ipandro Acaico (talk) 00:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello! This is your userpage: User:Ipandro Acaico, which is already created. I've just created a "talk page" for you, which is located here: User talk:Ipandro Acaico. You should be all good to go! sawyer * he/they * talk 00:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

You, claiming to be writing about your father and providing information based on your knowledge of what is true ("FIRST HAND SOURCE") is exactly what Wikiedia cannot accept. David notMD (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ipandro Acaico If you want readers who don't know who Mister Softee is, then you just add a Wikilink to our article on the subject, like I have done here. It is mandatory that sources be already-published in reliable places (see my earlier link to this explanation). Using material that only you know is an immediate fail as no-one would have any way to verify what you write, which is a core policy for Misplaced Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Ipandro Acaico a famous early 2010s Hip Hop rapper from my city, grew up living next door to a local nightclub deejay, who then also went on to become a famous rapper in a group of Bassline rappers in the late 2010s.

I was pretty certain that they were both from the same neighbourhood originally (as I was sure I had seen the Hip Hip rapper in my area before he was famous, plus the Bassline rapper I've apparently met multiple times when he was a kid, as he fancied my niece), although I didn't know they lived next door to each other, however I had no proof to use on Misplaced Pages, therefore it couldn't be added.

However around 12-18 months ago, one of them gave an interview in an online video podcast, where he revealed that fact, so now I can prove it to Misplaced Pages if I want to (and I no doubt will eventually when I can be bothered).

My point is, you need to prove everything you add to Misplaced Pages. If you can't prove it, then it will be removed eventually when someone notices it. Danstarr69 (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

But I did create a User Page Ipandro Acaico (talk) 01:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible to limit the Recent Changes feed to only edits that add or remove 500+ bytes?

I only want to see the bold edits so I can have something to feast on when I’m bored. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 00:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Me too. I wanna know. Encyclopédisme (talk) 13:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Blueskiesdry and User:Encyclopédisme, this having sat unanswered for two days implies to me that no one has a positive answer to this question, and indeed I've been unable to find an option at Special:RecentChanges to filter on byte difference. There are a few interesting filters you might want to check out, depending on what your goals are here. The first two sets of filters ("quality" and "intent") are AI predictions by the WMF's mw:ORES model (or possibly its successor, LiftWing; disclosure: I've never tried these filters, but almost never work RCP). There's also a lot of tags you could try out. This link activates a lot of tags that show changes that might be of interest. Have fun experimenting! Folly Mox (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Something you might not have considered is that the net byte change does not necessarily reflect how bold an edit may have been. If a user removes 35000 bytes from an article by overwriting it with 35001 bytes, the watchlist will only show (+1). Madam Fatal (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Can I link to my music?

So in prefs there’s a place where you can put links to external profiles (I’m assuming it’s for Twitter or Facebook type stuff). I have a Bandcamp account where I occasionally release music (I’m not going to name it here because it could be construed as promoting it), and I was wondering if linking to it would count as advertising? blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 17:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blueskiesdry I'm not clear what you mean by "prefs". Simple non-promotional links to a personal website are allowed on your userpage, in line with the guidance at WP:UPYES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I mean account preferences. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 17:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think it would be unfair and unduly cynical to characterize this as "blatant promotion".
Template:MidsizedivRemsense留 18:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

"URLs to external profiles" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-userpage is a recent feature and many old users don't know it yet. You can put as many links as you want there but nobody else can see them. The feature is to mark the same url's in a special way if they are also used on your user page. See Misplaced Pages:User pages for what you can have there. Misplaced Pages:User pages#What may I have in my user pages? says: "You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language." You are contributing to Misplaced Pages, User:Blueskiesdry has relevant content about that, and I don't see any current external links, so I think a discreet link to your Bandcamp account would be OK. There may be others who think it's too commercial if the site isn't about you but about selling something. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Is it alright if I explain what it is in like a sentence or two? blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 20:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blueskiesdry: I would stick to one brief sentence like your above "I have a Bandcamp account where I occasionally release music". Just place a link on "Bandcamp account" and don't make it the opening sentence. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

PrimeHunter called you "old", Mike Turnbull. It's right there in black-and-white (emphasis added): a recent feature and many old users don't know it yet. Could've said, "accounts created before it was added", or "users who haven't looked at Special:Preferences in a while", but, nope! Went right to "old".

And your account was created in 2018. I've been here since 2009 — if you're old, I'd hate to think what that makes me! (I'm joking, of course. No offense intended, PrimeHunter, and only a tiny bit of offense taken.) FeRDNYC (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

My account is from 2005. I think the general rule is that you can use a term about a group of people if you belong to the group. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to be called "old", as a simple statement of fact. My first account here (now my WP:VALIDALT) was created in 2011, as recently described here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Auto-archive on an article's talk page

How do i create that? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Try IABot. Hopefully that's what you're talking about. Cheers ‍ Relativity 22:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: I guess Help:Archiving a talk page is what you mean. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

That IAbot requires some "login required", but I am logged in to my wikipedia account? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The IAbot doesn't have your authorisation yet. Click on the link and then the Allow button on the following page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: User:InternetArchiveBot (IABot) is about archiving article sources so a copy of the source can be found if a web page dies or changes content. If you want to set up archiving of talk page discussions then IABot is irrelevant and you need Help:Archiving a talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:09, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter has what i am looking for. i will check that link. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thierry Jamin

I just had a tussle over pseudoscience, and weirdos making it to parliament in Mexico. Now I’m bored again, so I’m going to invent a stupid question. Anyway there’s this editor really insisting on it all. An I wanna know if there are similar problems down here? With Thierry Jamin type ppl. Happy new years ! (I’m soon no longer bored, so I wont ask stupid questions anymore). Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Encyclopédisme, Thierry Jamin is described as a pseudohistorian, so presumably you could look in Category:Pseudohistorians. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Creation of Infobox

Please, l need assistance on how to create infobox on Misplaced Pages. Olivia Harry (talk) 21:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Olivia Harry: Hello! There are multiple types of infoboxes, which article are you working on? Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 21:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I wish to add some infoboxes on my user page and not on article for now. I wish to learn it first. Olivia Harry (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Olivia Harry: See Help:Infobox for general help. Misplaced Pages:User pages are for communication and collaboration. You could use {{Infobox Misplaced Pages user}}, but see Misplaced Pages:Guidance for younger editors if you are young. Your main user page is not for testing code. You can use User:Olivia Harry/sandbox for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the useful assistance. Olivia Harry (talk) 05:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Article was "quickpassed"

Recently, the Misplaced Pages article on Letterpress was promoted to good article status. The reviewer noted that they couldn't spot any flaws, and so decided that the article passed. I'm not sure if this is allowed. TWOrantula (enter the web) 23:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Hello! I'm completely inexperienced in the article statuses, but, assuming that it is possible to improve any article to the good status, no matter how notable the subject is, then, if the article exhausted any obvious improvements or expansions, why doesn't it deserve a good status? Or there should be first established some consensus regarding the status? Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 23:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTWOrantula, Good article reviews, as opposed to Featured article reviews, are deliberately set up to be carried out by a single uninvolved editor. There is no minimum amount of time to be spent or number of words to be written. If you believe that the article does not meet the GA standards, then you can take the matter to Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment. I see some awkward wording in the lead but I am not sure that is enough for a reassessment. Cullen328 (talk) 23:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Suppressing a footnote tag

 Courtesy link: Template talk:Physical constants § A second-level shared reference idea

TL;DR: How can I can generate reference list entry from within a template invoked in the article body while suppressing the visible tag () that <ref>...</ref> would generate?

This is for use in a template that includes a reference, but currently a shared part of that reference is quite long, and if that template occurs many times (as it frequently does), the duplication creates an unnecessarily long and repetitive references list (see List of physical constants for an example). It would make sense to have a single subordinate reference that all of these link to via the |work= citation parameter, and I want to "invisibly" generate this shared reference entry and bluelink to it.

If I'm in the wrong forum, please redirect me :) —Quondum 23:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't completely understand what you mean, but would Template:SfnRef be of help? ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Not quite. It simply generates an anchor for embedding in the citation proper. I would still have to manually create the actual citation in the reference list at the end of the article, which must be avoided. <ref>...</ref> used in the body of an article does provide something that will be inserted in that reference list, but it displays the link in a form that I don't want. If I use that, I will have a superscripted footnote tag within the citation that references the shared citation, which is not the format that I'm seeking. —Quondum 02:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Let me give an example:

1. "Outer cite 1", XXX
2. "Outer cite 2", XXX
3. XXX, Shared cite

I want to implicitly generate the bulleted line once only when either of first footnotes is generated, and not have it displayed. —Quondum 03:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Quondum, I'm not sure what you mean by "implicitly generate", or how something could be bluelinked to a line that is not displayed. I think the exact thing you're looking for is not possible, since it sounds like it involves a template placing wikicode in multiple places on the page, which can only work if you're wrapping the entire body text inside the template (this is why we have {{atop}} / {{abot}}, {{hat}} / {{hab}}, and see also {{citation needed span}}). I could be misunderstanding the problem statement, but it seems like the thing that will get you closest to what you're wanting is the shortened footnotes as suggested above, which will involve manually adding the full citation once each onto each article transcluding the template. Folly Mox (talk) 06:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Folly Mox, I seem to be having difficulty getting my meaning across. In the following, I almost achieve what I want, where what follows the periods would be generated by a template:

References

1. ^  , CODATA 2018, "CODATA Internationally recommended 2018 values of the Fundamental Physical Constants", NIST Reference on Constants, Units, and Uncertainty, NIST, 20 May 2019. sfn error: no target: CITEREF (help)
2. "elementary charge". CODATA 2018 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCODATA_2018 (help). Retrieved 2019-08-31.
3. "electron mass". CODATA 2018 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCODATA_2018 (help). Retrieved 2022-08-31.

Aside from the awful use of {{sfn}}, the only problem is that the " , " should be suppressed. Even the reference highlighting (when you hover over a link) works correctly. Notice that the full citation is not manually added, and that {{sfn}} has been used to fold the multiple copies of the full citation that are created by multiple template invocations into one. —Quondum 17:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Quondum, I do understand what you're trying to achieve finally (probably more my own misunderstanding than any miscommunication on your part), but I'm afraid what you've already come up with is considerably cleverer than anything I would have imagined. The html markup of the hopback links probably have their own class, which you might be able to set to style="display: none" by wrapping the full citation information bit of your template output in <span/> tags? Apart from that I'm out of ideas. Another venue may know better than I. Folly Mox (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

They do have their own class (mw-cite-backlink) but you don't have access to it, because it it is generated by the mw software when it interprets the <references> tag and not something you have access to in the wikicode. The footnotes are an ordered list (<ol class="references">) and each of the numbered refs have a list tag element (<li>) with an id that is targetable by the refs or sfns in the body; for example, the id for note #2 is "cite_note-2" and for note #3 is "cite_note-3". This means that in theory, you could adjust your common.css and target note #1 with "display:none", but that would work only for you and nobody else, and only as long as the inline refs or sfns on the page didn't change in number or order, so essentially is completely unworkable. Beyond that, you'll notice I didn't mention the id on the li-tag for note 1, which you would need to use in common.css to disappear the backlink for that note, and that's because it isn't "cite_note-1", it's this monster:

so this whole approach is untenable for multiple reasons, imho.

However, I'm wondering if we don't have an XY problem here. If you'd like to step back and restate what it is you are trying to accomplish with your template, functionally speaking, rather than in terms of its implementation, there may be a completely different approach that will get you what you want, without having to get into the weeds like, "how do I suppress display of citations that the mw software is designed to display and that isn't accessible in the wikicode?", which I believe has no solution. Try starting over from scratch, and ask your question again. Mathglot (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking definitely an XY problem, now. I think maybe the question should be something like, "How can I avoid duplicated footnotes when using template {{Physical constants}} and take advantage of standard consolidated footnotes in the References list?" – does that sound right? Trying to divine your question, I started looking at the design of {{Physical constants}} and {{Physical constants/data}}, and that's what I'm guessing your underlying question really is, but I can't know for sure.

Before getting too deep into it: yes, this is the wrong venue; this should be moved to Template talk:Physical constants, or maybe the Templates WikiProject, if multiple citation wrapper templates are involved. But at first glance, what I'm guessing might work, is a way to take advantage of normal, named references. For that, you'd need to provide a refname in your */data table, and a way to access the name from the template code, neither of which is very difficult. For example: the ref */data for 'bwien' is <ref name="physconst-bwien">{{cite web ... }}</ref>, and param |ref= in the template only allows the values no and only. Why not change the */data, so that bwien also has |refname=physconst-bwien, and add a new allowed value in the template code for |ref= of named (or, reuse, etc.) and when the user provides that value, then you pick off the |refname= value out of the data table? Then the mw software will consolidate them all for you, as it is designed to do, and you won't have any more duplicates. Seems like that ought to work. Mathglot (talk) 21:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm subscribed, so no need to ping me, but not sure if you are, so, ping: Quondum. Mathglot (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, yes, this looks promising and you seem to have divined the intent. I'll experiment using the new information that you have given me. I can see the outline of the approach that you are suggesting. My code above is definitely a hack (not acceptable for mainspace use), and your understanding of the consolidation functionality is part of what I was missing. I may ping you at Template talk:Physical constants if I get stuck (I came here because I hoped to get beyond the few watchers there). —Quondum 21:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Best practices tip regarding venue: what you can do in that case, is start the discussion at Template talk (or wherever), then add a section here entitled something like, "Feedback requested at Template talk:FOO for a reference question" along with a brief sentence or two about your problem, and a link to the discussion. And you could duplicate the feedback request at WP:WPT, WP:VPT or other venues, if needed. Good luck, and lmk how it's going. Mathglot (talk) 21:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

User mass changing the national anthem of Spain

Hi! Please let me know if this is more appropriate for somewhere like WP:ANI. User Antoniocarreras81 (see contribs here) has been mass changing the national anthem of Spain. I don't know if this is just plain and simple vandalism I should mass revert and throw to WP:AIV, or if this is just me being silly and new and afraid to revert things like this. Thanks in advance! Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 00:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, just so I can make sure I'm not just jumping to bad faith conclusions, it looks like they've done the same thing on the Spanish Misplaced Pages & been warned for it there. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 00:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: Hello! I've just listened to both versions and it seems that the melody is the same, the only problem that might occur is the copyright but I'm not sure how it works with anthems. Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 00:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Me either - I'm not even sure if it is vandalism, but one of the edits popped up on my recent changes filter. Looked at their edit history and it raised an eyebrow. It just seems like an incredibly random thing to change across multiple Spain-related articles. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: I don't think it's random, probably they just thought that their version has a higher audio quality or something and decided to replace every occurrence of the old version. Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 00:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay! My apologies for jumping to vandal conclusions. Hopefully all turns out to be fine with copyright. Thank you! Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Deltaspace42 and @Schrödinger's jellyfish, happy new year to you all! 2001:EE0:4BC2:E9E0:5DB:6154:E8B8:7AD3 (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)National Anthem of Spain was first published in

talk:Schrödinger's jellyfish and Deltaspace42, please note that the National anthem of Spain was published in 1761. As the article notes, the original music is out of copyright, but a particular harmonization is copyrighted. Presumably, that specific 20th century harmonization should probably be avoided. Cullen328 (talk) 09:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

New User

Dear all, Happy New Year! I'm brand new to Wiki and need help please! I've created a blank draft article (The Music Man Project) and have some content ready, but don't want to publish it. I'd like to add some of my draft content and familiarise myself with the editing tools. How can I save the draft content so I can go back to it and work on it without publishing? Thank you! Marilyn Fowles (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

A good place would be to save it in your sandbox for you to work on: at User:Marilyn Fowles/sandbox. —Quondum 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, will try the Sandbox. 2A00:23C8:B5A3:8901:1D5D:5F5F:3931:3495 (talk) 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Marilyn Fowles, keep in mind that content should be reasonably intended as content on Misplaced Pages, which must meet certain criteria. I see that it was deleted from your user page on grounds associated with it possibly having inappropriate content for Misplaced Pages; if it fails on those grounds, it is likely to be deleted wherever it is. —Quondum 01:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I can see a potential start of a potentially viable article in that now-deleted content and would be willing to see where it goes during incubation. If it were to have been pure spam, obvious copyvio, or similar, I would not have offered to restore it to draft. DMacks (talk) 02:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah – all good. I am clearly still clumsy at this. —Quondum 02:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Marilyn Fowles! Welcome to Wikpedia. I assume by "publish" you mean "click the button marked 'publish'"? That's the Misplaced Pages term for sending your writing to the server (the concept is more like to "upload" or "post"). By definition, everything you write on this website is "published". It does not mean that your content is part of a live article. It does mean that everyone can see it (and most can edit it if they really want to) if they know where to look for it. There is no true "ownership" or "invisible private space" here. Articles in "Draft:", or your personal "sandbox" are a great place to save your work as you go along. You can ask for advice, practice formatting (with no risk of breaking a live article), think and rethink, write and rewrite, etc. Then when you're ready, you can tag it for migration to the live article space. DMacks (talk) 01:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Your user-page is for writing a bit about yourself, as relevant to wikipedia. It appears you started to draft your article there, and then it got deleted for mis-use of the user page. I can restore that content if you like (to a more appropriate location). DMacks (talk) 01:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @DMacks for your kind comments and help - you have given me hope! I now understand that I misused the user-page - apologies and thanks for correcting me. I'm so very pleased you can see the start of a potentially viable article and I would love it to be restored to an appropriate location. I have written most of the article in a word document, having studied the Wiki guidance. I've included lots of references, ensuring they fit the criteria. I just need a template to start copying and pasting. Before the page was correctly and understandably deleted, I was thrilled that I learned to enter references and get the links working! 2A00:23C8:B5A3:8901:1D5D:5F5F:3931:3495 (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I restored it to User:Marilyn Fowles/Music Man Project. The main concern based on what I see there now is the need for several in-depth independent/WP:SECONDARY refs to help demonstrate notability for the organization. Also, I'm not sure if you are affiliated with this group in some way, but if so pay very close attention to our conflict of interest rules. DMacks (talk) 22:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks Many thanks for restoring, much appreciated. I did a bit more work in my sandbox and have included 18 references - are you able to see them and perhaps advise if they look ok (if you have time)? I've used sources that I've seen on published pages so hoping they are OK. No, I'm not affiliated with the group - just want to help a local cause. Marilyn Fowles (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Marilyn, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Misplaced Pages, and to 2024!

I'd like to give you some counsel that I often give to new editors, and that is: take it slowly! If you had just started engineering, would you set out to build a car from scratch as your first project? If you had just taken up a musical instrument, would you immediately book yourself a public recital?

Remember that creating a new article is not the only, or necessarily the best, way to contribute value to Misplaced Pages. People who try the challenging task of creating a new article as the first thing they do often have a frustrating and disappointing experience.

I suggest that you put the Music Man project aside for a few weeks or months, and spend your Misplaced Pages time learning about how Misplaced Pages works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles - many of them are in sore need of it! In particular, coming to understand Misplaced Pages's requirements in the areas of verifiability, reliable sources, and WP:notability, will help you immeasurably when you do decide it's time to focus on your project. ColinFine (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Being nice to the photographer

Happy New Year Teahousers!

A photographer gave permission for an image to be released to Creative Commons 4.0. All has gone well. Permissions all done properly and the VRT are content.

However, both being newish at wiki, both the photographer and I have just noticed that the all the metadata has been uploaded - including that photographers's contact details.

While the photographer is happy to release the image under creative commons, photographer didn't mean to release personal information. (Yes, something to watch for next time.)

Now I can edit information in the "Summary" section regarding the image over at commons.wikimedia.org — however, I can't edit the metadata section. I'm guessing it can only be done by an admin.

Going off the general principles of anonymity and so on, seems right to ask if those details can be removed. Can someone tell me the right person, and the right way, to ask?

MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi MatthewDalhousie. This seems like it's all related to files uploaded to commons, not enwiki, so it should best be handled on a talkpage or other notice-board there. You will have to be more specific about which details you are talking about (for example, file-description page vs EXIF vs structured-data) and how hidden you would like them to be (for example, simply changed, or actually scrubbed from public visibility even via history). DMacks (talk) 03:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks

It's about the photographer's contact details, nothing to do with the actual image or data related to the image. For some reason photographer has those details embedded as a default in the metadata. I've taken the discussion over to a talk page at wikimedia commons here. Thank you! MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Help on finding sources for page

Hi there, I am having issues finding reliable sources for my page on Sandra Hazlehurst, Mayor of Hastings, New Zealand. There is limited online material on her, part of the reason I wanted to create a page. Could anyone be of assistance. Thank you and hope you're having a great new year, Joseph. Draft:Sandra Hazlehurst Jtwd (talk) 06:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

If you have offline materials on it, you are permitted to use it. You might want to double check that they are good and you might have used some of them, but here are some sources: . ✶Quxyz✶ 06:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Quxyz: You might also want to ask at Misplaced Pages:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 07:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

what should ido ?

58 / 3000 I got a message saying it's hard to register while I'm registering on Misplaced Pages. I've been asked to modify it, what should I do? 182.216.4.174 (talk) 07:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, it's hard to know the issue without more context. Are you receiving an error message when you try to register? Ca 09:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I have no idea what you are saying. As usual for problem reports, please explain 1) what you were trying to do; 2) what steps you actually took; and 3) what result you got (and what result you were expecting, if it's not obvious). ColinFine (talk) 13:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

...and do not paraphrase the result - copy the exact words you saw and paste them into your reply here. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Expansion of Draft article

Dear fellow editors, I just created a draft article and it needs expansion. I appeal for help from here. Here's the link Thanks everyone! Olivia Harry (talk) 08:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I think one thing the draft could use is more sources. This is especially important in biographies of living person, where mistakes could have real world consequences.

I find that Google News a lot of help when searching for political topics - just make sure your sources are reliable. Help:Find sources is a useful guide to searching for new sources.

All in all, I hope you will continue contributing here. :D Ca 09:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ca,

I have made sure I picked reliable sources from Google. The article needs only expansion from the current sources provided there. It's being a tedious job on me and that's why it's necessary other editors like you do join in expanding it. I am always here to contribute! Olivia Harry (talk) 09:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The first source does not contain significant coverage. The second looks good. But you need several sources, each of which meets all the criteria in the golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you base what you wrote on sources? If so, citing them should be easier for you than for anybody else. If not, any editor will have trouble finding the sources (if these even exist), and most will prefer to spend their time and energy on other pursuits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.52.66.53 (talk) 10:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

And in general, Teahouse hosts are here to advise on how to edit and create content, but not to be researchers for refs or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 13:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Olivia Harry: The editors at WT:ISRAEL may be able to help. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I concur with all your helps. I will continue to improve the article. Thanks everyone. Olivia Harry (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

the concept of time

I WANT TO CREATE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FAMILY WITHOUT DEATH 104.245.218.59 (talk) 09:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit Misplaced Pages. We cannot help you with grand metaphysical issues. Cullen328 (talk) 09:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Savage 😂 Yamantakks (talk) 10:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Have you read our article on immortality? Shantavira| 09:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

*snrk* What is this, Clippypedia? FeRDNYC (talk) 00:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Misplaced Pages! – different editing modes

Happy new year everyone! 🥳🙏 On Swedish Misplaced Pages, I can edit the text as I see it. There is another, separate mode which resembles some sort of code. On English Misplaced Pages, I can only see the "code mode" and can't edit the text as I see it.

Why does Swedish Wiki have two editing modes and English one only has one?

 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

You appear to be talking about the WP:source editor and the WP:visual editor, you can switch between the two at the top left of the page when editing.

Happy editing!

Geardona (talk) 15:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is it! Thank you @Geardona😊

But on Swedish articles I have both selections, while on English I only see one selection.

I uploaded two examples (printscreens):

• https://i.ibb.co/1qYCvNn/SE-two-edit-buttons.png
• https://i.ibb.co/YXgjR2x/EN-one-edit-button.png

Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Found it! https://i.ibb.co/vshbg03/Found-it.png

Which one do you prefer, the source editor or visual editor?

Is one superior to the other in some way? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

In the source editor you can do more technical edits, although the visual editor is much easier to use. Geardona (talk) 15:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you again @Geardona. Much appreciated!

If I understand you correctly, I should learn source editor and you prefer source editor yourself. Did I get that correctly? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Learn new things in 2024:(edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That "some sort of code" is called Wikitext and the editor for that is called the source editor. The other editor is called the Visual Editor, and is not enabled by default on the english Misplaced Pages, something which the swedish Misplaced Pages might difer on. You can enable it in your preferences under "Editing", "Enable the visual editor". Judging by your comment here you might want to set the select field "Editing mode:" below it to "Always give me the visual editor if possible" or "Show me both editor tabs". Assuming that you haven't unchecked the "Enable the visual editor" checkbox, you can switch between the two via a pencil icon in the top right of the toolbar. There are namespaces where the VE isn't available (including Misplaced Pages:). Geardona it should be top right, actually. The pencil 8 slots from the left (in the source editor) toggles syntax highlighting. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Besten Dank @Victor Schmidt! Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages images from Flickr

Hello again 🙏

I noticed that some Misplaced Pages images are uploaded onto Misplaced Pages (Wikimedia?) while others are from Flickr. How can use Flickr's images on Misplaced Pages? And how do I know that I can use them (copyright and so on)?

There are some amazing images on Flickr that would really improve some Misplaced Pages articles. Hundreds of pictures like this, and they are IMHO 10/10:

• https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredrik_lindedal/53085998546
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredrik_lindedal/53024797097
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredrik_lindedal/53424967903
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredrik_lindedal/52956154995

Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Most random images on the internet are incompatible with Misplaced Pages. They need to explicitly have a copyright that is compatible with Misplaced Pages, allowing for reuse for any purpose with attribution. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @331dot. I expected that to be the case.

However, many Misplaced Pages images are from Flickr. For example:

• File:Size_comparison of iPhone 5C 5S 4S.jpg
• File:Apple Garage.jpg
• File:Apple I Computer.jpg
• File:Apple PenLite prototype, 1992.jpg
• File:MacBook Pro.jpg
• File:Apple Genius Bar Regentstreet London.jpg
• And many many many others.

How do I know which Flickr images are ok to have on Misplaced Pages and which are not? 😊 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:copyright has more info, and images are uploaded to WP:commons normally. Geardona (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Is it correct that you download the picture from Flickr and upload it to ? Assuming that copyright allows it.

Flickr frequently allows download in full resolution via their interface. There is a button for that. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

In the lower right corner of a Flickr page, there's usually a copyright statement. It might say "all rights reserved". Or it might say "some rights reserved", or even "public domain".

'Public domain' images are acceptable; 'some rights reserved' images can be acceptable, depending on which license the uploader chose. If it's "-BY", that's fine. If it's "-NC" or "-ND", it's not.

(That said, beware of "flickrwashing": when someone uploads an image to flickr that isn't theirs, and then says "yeah, sure, this is Creative Commons, it's public domain, whatever". If something seems too good to be true, it probably is.) DS (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

(and, specifically, those Lindedal images are 'all rights reserved', so... no.) DS (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Super clear, thank you @DS Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me out @DragonflySixtyseven

Much much appreciated. Apparently google even allows searching for picutures with "creative commons" license. See printscreen: https://i.ibb.co/WvX1N4n/Google-search.png

If I understand you correctly, this image would be ok ok Misplaced Pages: https://www.flickr.com/photos/118304891@N02/13298255555

I don't think it necessarily should be on Misplaced Pages, but I am just trying to verify that I understood the concept correctly. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Learn new things in 2024: Thats CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 so no, not permitted here. I don't believe it has been mentioned, but c:COM:L has a pretty decent overview over what is (and isn't) permitted here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, thank you Victor. This is what Flickr says about CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0:

You are free to:

• Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
• Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material
• The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.

Seems good enough to me. Apparently not good enough. Will read ] Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

I think I got the gist of it.

NC (non-commercial) or ND (no derivations) disqualify them from Misplaced Pages.

It needs to allow "more free usage" to qualify for Misplaced Pages.

If it's only "Attribution" and "ShareAlike", then it's ok.

All clear, thank you! 🙏 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, Learn new things in 2024, NC means "non-commercial" and NC licenses are not acceptable on Misplaced Pages. Our freely licensed content can be re-used for any purpose, including commercial purposes like posters, books, magazines, videos, t-shirts, coffee mugs and the like. Cullen328 (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Creating references with least repetitive manual labor

First thing first, big thank you to everyone for such receptive welcome earlier today. And thank you for so clear, friendly and useful answers. I would like to ask about references. And I try to not bother you again today. How do you make references? I spent time googling for it and answers vary a lot:

• https://mtsac.libguides.com/citations-how
• https://libguides.uta.edu/wikipedia/references

These are useful for WP:Visual editor, but what about the other WP:source editor?

Also Misplaced Pages articles on the topic:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Citing_sources
• https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Citation_tools#Tools

Citoid and Citer seem really nice. It seems that Citoid is for WP:Visual editor and Citer is for WP:source editor Do you use them? What is the best option to create a high quality reference with the least repetitive effort? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I simply use the cite tool built into the vis editor and switch between the two types Geardona (Tech Support) 17:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 😊

Speaking of images from Flickr. It is really really hard to find images on Flickr with appropriate license. But when you find them, it's a goldmine. See my edit to Union City, New Jersey. @331dot @DragonflySixtyseven @Victor Schmidt. Will make a few more soon.

Thank you everyone, you're awesome 👏 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Made a mistake with Union City, New Jersey, recalled the edit. The picture did not show Union City, but was taken from Union City. The edit on Malmö Central Station turned out well. Will make more later. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 18:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The generation tools are very nice and useful. That said, they aren't perfect and often produce parameters that need to be tweaked, so just be wary of that! If this happens, you will often see an error produced by the template advising you on what needs to be fixed. Cheers! Remsense留 22:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Remsense

What is "generation tools"? You seem to be referring to Help:Citation_tools#Tools, but I'd like to doublecheck, just to be sure
Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my bad—I mean the tools to automatically generate citations, such as Citer and Citoid. Remsense留 23:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Learn new things in 2024, have you read Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2023-08-01/Tips and tricks § Citation tools for dummies!? That might be helpful, but as Remsense says above, many automatically generated citations will require manual repair, and can be best conceptualised as a "first pass" or "rough draft" of the finished citations.Algorithmically generating citations is a science still in its infancy. Even sources with a DOI and structured metadata can contain errors in one of the databases the citation scripts hit, and as for websites or google books, the output is often such that you'll end up rewriting the entire citation template. I do a lot of fixes in this space, so I probably trust the code less than many other editors here, to acknowledge my own biases. Folly Mox (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

citation duplicates

In a recent edit, I wanted to use a citation that already existed in the article, but I created "new" citations instead, making duplicates. How do you insert a citation for a publication that is already listed? Davideteiemusic (talk) 19:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

+1, I would also like to know the same. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 19:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Davideteiemusic, @Learn new things in 2024: Hello! I've merged the duplicate references in the Zoomusicology article. Assuming you are working in the source editor, to merge duplicate references, add <ref name=(unique reference name - usually author or first words from title)> to the first reference, and then replace all other duplicate references with <ref name=(reference name)/>. Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 19:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Does the ref name go after the target reference or before? blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 19:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Blueskiesdry: Before, like this: here<ref>some citation</ref>, another place<ref>some citation</ref> becomes here<ref name="choose name">some citation</ref>, another place<ref name="choose name"/> Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 19:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 19:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Full guidance is at WP:NAMEDREFS. Folly Mox (talk) 22:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Blueskiesdry: As far as ordering, it actually doesn't matter. The expanded version of the reference can appear the first time it's used, the last time, or somewhere in the middle. All that matters is that it's only expanded once.

One other thing to watch out for, with named references: If you use section editing, and the full reference doesn't appear in the section you're editing, the preview will make it appear as though your reference is broken. (Ditto any other named-refs that are defined outside of the section, even ones you didn't create. You just have to trust that the section preview isn't representative of how the full page will look when it's saved. FeRDNYC (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages images from Flickr

Hello Wikipedians,

Flickr images with CC-BY-SA-2.0 license can be used on Misplaced Pages. Say that a Flickr image with CC-BY-SA-2.0 license gets uploaded to Misplaced Pages. And the original photographer changes the license to "All rights reserved" half a year later. What happens?

Does the initial CC-BY-SA-2.0 still apply or does it become a copyright infringement? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Learn new things in 2024:

From creativecommons.org/share-your-work/cclicenses/:

The licenses and CC0 cannot be revoked. This means once you apply a CC license to your material, anyone who receives it may rely on that license for as long as the material is protected by copyright, even if you later stop distributing it.

So if the author suddenly decides to be greedy and changes the license, then that wouldn't work and CC-BY-SA-2.0 would still apply. Another thing is to prove that the license was CC-BY-SA-2.0 before, but I'm not really experienced in this matters, probably the archived version of their website on the Wayback Machine would show that the license was different. Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 19:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Deltaspace42 No need to use a Wayback Machine, The description page of flickr images has a license history popup going back to 2007. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Deltaspace42 & @Victor Schmidt. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Using Wp when I’m bored.

Theoretically, if anybody knows anything about the muiscas and the incas (even though, that’s unlikely), could they give me an article to create? If not, please don’t bother to answer. Encyclopédisme (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

You could likely find significant discussion and articles to create or work on at WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas, WikiProject South America, WikiProject Peru, and WikiProject Colombia. Best of luck! Remsense留 20:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Too lazy to do that. If anybody who reads this knows something about the Inca and wants me to create an article, please ask. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Your question does not compute. "I want to do this task which takes significant amounts of intellectual energy and discipline to carry out effectively, but I'm too lazy to put in any of that intellectual energy". ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I cant follow? What did you say?

In the slight chance that someone gives me an article on Inca history to make, I will be happy to display my half-assed knowledge. Now I am in a state of being bored, and I would greatly appreciate not being in that state. Thank you for having answered this, cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions:

• Construction of Machu Picchu
• Church of Andahuayillas
• Temple of the Chosen Virgins of the Sun
• Acllahuasi

Hope that helps!
Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Encyclopédisme (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Undelete of page: Ben Gurion Canal Project

Recently the page for "Ben Gurion Canal Project" has been deleted by a 7/3 vote & I need help reopening the discussion for keeping the article.

While I understand that the current Geo/political climate is not conducive to something as controversial as the above named project, the fact that there was/is a proposed project is reason alone to have information available to everyone & not burry it.

The Ben Gurion Canal Project has gained some recent notoriety due to TT and I believe that is the motivation for the article to be deleted.

Below are vairious sources of articles published before the current crisis from both sides of the isle that may lend credence to keeping this information on WP.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/statement-to-the-knesset-by-pm-ben-gurion

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/an-israeli-suez-canal-393225

https://www.albawaba.net/node/suez-canal-ben-gurion

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/459467/The-second-coming-of-Ben-Gurion

https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/economy-and-business/suez-canal-crisis-revives-israeli-russian-talks-alternative-routes/20210330143613150581.amp.html

Please let me know your thoughts and any help would be appreciated. LtCdrLaForge (talk) 20:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Follow the instructions at WP:Deletion review and proceed there Mach61 (talk) 21:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

LtCdrLaForge, in order to establish notability of a topic like this, sources must be indisputably reliable, must be independent of the topic, and must devote significant coverage to the topic. Most if not all of the sources you list fail that three part test. Opinion sources, rumor mongering and wild 21st century speculation based on a concept that was evaluated and ruled out 60 years ago are sources that do not qualify. Cullen328 (talk) 21:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hananya Naftali Infobox

What's the best infobox to fit Draft article Hananya Naftali and how do I find it? Olivia Harry (talk) 21:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

You should read through MOS:INFOBOX, which at the bottom also has links to Misplaced Pages:List of infoboxes and other directories. FeRDNYC (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Olivia Harry Use Template:Infobox person. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️ 04:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @LordVoldemort728 and @FeRDNYC. You suggestions has been helpful. Olivia Harry (talk) 05:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Article apparently deleted

Hello, and thank you for reading,

In the last year or so, I contributed to an article on the Great Fire of East Nashville in 1916. Last week, I looked for the article and couldn't find it. I used multiple variations on the search terms and came up dry. How can I find the article, ask that it be restored, and/or find out why it is no longer available?

I ask mainly because my grandparents, my dad, age 3, and my uncle, baby in arms, lived there at the time. Their house was passed over by the flames, and they were all safe. I ran across a picture that my grandmother had in an album of the aftermath of the fire, and wanted to add that to the article, if possible.

I'm new at this, and greatly appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

Best,

John Hampton JohnHamptonIII (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if there's ever been an article by that name, but at look at your contributions showed that you contributed here East Nashville, Tennessee#Great Fire of 1916. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

JohnHamptonIII(edit conflict) East Nashville, Tennessee appears to have a section about the fire, to which you contributed on Feb 9th, 2017. I couldn't find any evidence coverage went beyoynd that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

JohnHamptonIII, according to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Wildfire/Guidelines, a fire that extensive that caused one death and destroyed 500 structures and caused the evacuation of 2,500 people would be eligible for a free-standing article. Cullen328 (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I remember having contributed to a free-standing article, which raised the question: what happened to it? I can see that it may have been incorporated into the article that User:GreenLipstickLesbian and User:Victor Schmidt (thank you!) referenced. The free-standing article on the fire that I remember contributing to was much more detailed than the East Nashville bullet list reference, as I recall. And, yes, User:Cullen328, I agree fully that this topic merits a free-standing reference.

Please forgive my misuses of terminology; this is my first try at this.

Thank you all for helping me! JohnHamptonIII (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@JohnHamptonIII:There's a possibility you contributed to a similar article when logged out? I haven't been able to find one by looking through the categories of wildfires, however. So, who knows? A quick google shows that this fire seems obviously notable to merit inclusion. If you'd like to, maybe you'd like to try writing the article? Just WP:YFA, familiarize yourself with our policies on original research, and go for it! The images you have seem like they could be really useful as well, and just guessing from the year of the fire, I'm pretty sure you'd have no trouble uploading them to commons. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll look into it. Thank you for your help, and Happy New Year! JohnHamptonIII (talk) 23:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding company logo to the infopanel on the right

Most company pages on Misplaced Pages have company logos. Some don't.

Examples of Swedish companies with logos:

• Acne Studios
• Clas Ohlson
• Elekta

Swedish companies without logos:

• Abba Seafood
• Comviq
• Esselte

Same country, same rules, but different outcomes.

• Can I download the logo, upload it to WP:Commons and add to the infopanel?
• If not, why do some logos appear on Wiki and others don't?

Many companies have their logos and graphic material in the press or investor section, so they seem to encourage usage. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Learn new things in 2024. Logos are usually non-free and not allowed at Commons but can be uploaded here at the English Misplaced Pages as fair use for the article about the company. See more at Misplaced Pages:Logos. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @PrimeHunter!

I quickly glanced at Misplaced Pages:Logos, will read it more thoroughly soon.

If I understand you correctly, logos are ok to add to English Misplaced Pages, but not to other languages (some other might be ok). I checked my three examples and 2/3 are uploaded on WP:Commons – Acne Studios and Clas Ohlsson. But Elekta is uploaded locally(?) on English Misplaced Pages.

• Where do I find the local upload?
• And why are some (Acne Studios and Clas Ohlsson) allowed on WP:Commons then?

Directlinks to the files:

• File:Elekta_Logo.svg
• File:Clas Ohlson.svg – https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Clas_Ohlson.svg
• File:Acne_studios_logo,_2021.svg – https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Acne_studios_logo,_2021.svg

Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 23:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The original question can be explained as a Wikipedian just hasn't got to that article yet. As for why some are uploaded to Commons and not here, the two you listed are licensed as too simple to be copyrighted (simple geometric shapes). I would be more cautious with using that if you are new to copyright. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

A "logo" that is really just plain text and maybe a simple additional line or shape is not considered a creative-enough original art to merit license-protection. That's why Clas Ohlson and Acne studios image-pages say "This logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." Public-domain files are allowed on commons. Someone felt the circle-and-dots with text for Elekta was more than 'simple', and therefore by default has a restrictive license that is controlled by the company. Non-free-license content is not allowed on commons. Non-free content is allowed on enwiki subject to very strict rules. DMacks (talk) 00:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @DMacks & @Quxyz Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the question "Where do I find the local upload?". You have links to all three ":File:" pages already. If it's local to enwiki, that takes you to the local enwiki page. If there is no local but instead it is on commons, that same link automatically falls through to the commons page. DMacks (talk) 00:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Uploads to commons are done here, I think:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:UploadWizard

What about uploads to English Misplaced Pages (but not commons)? Same link does not exist:

• https://en.wikimedia.org/Special:UploadWizard

Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

It's https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:File_upload_wizard DMacks (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

How to decide which logos are made of "simple geometric shapes" and which aren't?

 Courtesy link: § Adding company logo to the infopanel on the right

Decided to create a separate topic, to not overload the previous one. To avoid making it messy. Many logos on Wikimedia are accompanied by the following text

This logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain. Although it is free of copyright restrictions, this image may still be subject to other restrictions. See WP:PD § Fonts and typefaces or Template talk:PD-textlogo for more information.

• How is the decision made on what counts as a simple geometric shape and what doesn't?
• Who makes that decision? In other words, who could I ask to have a look?

The example used previously, File:Elekta Logo.svg is geometrically simpler than the American company logos in the quote. And many Swedish logos currently missing from Misplaced Pages are geometrically simpler than the American company logos in the quote. It would be good idea to add them, and I could add a bunch, once I figure out how this works. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

It's indeed a judgement call of the uploader, and second-guessable/subject to change or discussion by anyone else. I see that someone has tagged the Elekta logo as possibly actually being public-domain. There are many edge-cases for the "threshold of originality", and where that line is even varies substantially among different countries (and therefore subject to different rules on the various wiki sites). Only a court can make an definitive legal ruling on any individual case. DMacks (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @DMacks

Could I upload logos like this one#1 or this one#2 myself?

High quality, high resolution (#1 and #2 examples aren't high res but that's not the point), official sources, everything the same way as all the other logos already have been uploaded.

And use the same rationale as already uploaded other logos, i.e. "does not meet the threshold of originality". These two examples (#1 and #2) certainly do not "meet the threshold of originality", given all the other more complex logos already on WP:Commons. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 00:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

For logos that are too simply for copyright, I would suggest you upload them to Commons, as they could then be used on other sister projects. One thing that you must be aware of if you do upload to Commons, is that that the threshold of originality which determines if something is complex enough to be copyrighted differs by country. See c:Commons:Threshold of originality for more details. -- Whpq (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Logo #1 is definitely PD-textlogo, and ripe for commons. Logo #2 seems like it also, and in fact already is available (via commons) as File:Länförsäkringar textlogo.svg. DMacks (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Greek letters

Why don’t most articles have a Greek letter in the page title, for example, α Centauri is located at Alpha Centauri. Astronomical Editor (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

My guess: Much more practical. I can easily spell "alpha", but I wouldn't known how to begin spelling "α" without a copy-paste. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 00:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

There are always redirects, so you can type out the English name of the Greek letter and get where you want to go. Or if you are writing a link to it, you can type '&alpha;' to get the alpha character. DMacks (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the topic-area of the article. For astronomical objects, WP:STARNAMES prescribes: "Write out the English name of the Greek letter e.g. Alpha Centauri (not α Centauri, which instead should be made a redirect)". Chemistry goes the other way, with WP:CHEMPREFIX prescribing :"use Greek letter prefixes if appropriate, e.g. Α-Ketoglutaric acid...not Alpha-Ketoglutaric acid". Yup, that's a capital actual alpha, not a capital English letter. For technical reasons, all wikipedia articles must begin with a capital letter, so the confusion between capital-a and capital-alpha might be one rationale for spelling out the greek letter. DMacks (talk) 00:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Much better answer than my guess 🙏🙂 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 01:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries:) "Can I type this easily on a normal keyboard?" is actually a reasonable idea, and one of the rationales for some sitewide MOS guidelines, such as MOS:STRAIGHT. DMacks (talk) 03:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Arzu and I

Mehraban 87.241.151.156 (talk) 02:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 87.241.151.156. The Teahouse is for asking questions about Misplaced Pages (particularly editing Misplaced Pages). Do you have a question about Misplaced Pages? -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about Misplaced Pages? GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

How fecal transplant is performed?

What kind of physical limitations are there for this process? For most organ transplants you can just take one organ out of someone and put it in someone else. But for fecal transplant wouldn’t you have to line up the anuses? And what if the donor doesn’t have to defecate? Would you have to wait for them to need to defecate before you could initiate the transfer of feces from one anus to another anus? Windolson (talk) 02:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Windolson. This type of question isn't really what the Teahouse has been set up to handle; the Teahouse is really only intended to be a place for asking questions about Misplaced Pages (particularly Misplaced Pages editing). More general questions such as this can be asked at the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk, but you might also want to take a look at the Misplaced Pages article fecal transplant for some general information. However, it's very important that you understand that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia that basically anyone with Internet access can edit, which means that the information it contains might not always be the most accurate or the most up-to-date. So, if you have questions about a medical condition or a medical procedure, you might be better off, as explained here, to consult a medical professional in your area whose expertise is in whatever you'd like to know about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Windolson: Welcome to the Teahouse! If the article Fecal microbiota transplant doesn't answer your question, and you think the answer should be a part of the article, you could ask on the article's talk page: Talk:Fecal microbiota transplant. Suddenly I'm not in the mood for an evening snack. GoingBatty (talk) 02:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Try a vegemite sandwich. Mathglot (talk) 03:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Windolson If you want to get information about the transplant or how it is done, you can go to Wikiversity. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️ 04:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Brief description of the process now on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 09:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Need help with creating a page

I need help in creating a page for the work that our nonprofit is doing. The initial page I submitted for publication got deleted. Can anyone help me Svee1 (talk) 08:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

No, Svee1, you need something much more fundamental: You need to realize that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, and you need a basic understanding of what an encyclopedia is. I'm not saying that you lack this realization or this basic understanding, but if you have either then I don't see evidence of it. Let me quote a sample of what you wrote: Using advanced technology, we create bilingual educational content and apps for accessible and enjoyable language learning. Our mission includes promoting awareness, challenging stereotypes, and respecting linguistic diversity. No we do not. Oh, if you mean that the nonprofit does, then say so. But you'll need reliable sources (which must of course be disinterested and therefore must be entirely independent of the nonprofit) to back up the claims that the language learning is accessible (whatever this means), and that it's enjoyable. As for the nonprofit's mission, interested readers can presumably find this on the nonprofit's website. And remember to disclose your conflict of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, don't paste in (conventionally) copyright material. I belatedly notice that this was lifted directly from linguisticsjusticeleague.org/ (which tells us "Copyright © 2023 Linguistics Justice League"). No big surprise. But it's both plagiarism and a copyright violation. -- Hoary (talk) 09:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Svee1. In addition, to what Hoary posted above, perhaps you should take a look at WP:NOBLE and WP:NOT because it kind of does seem that you might be misunderstanding what Misplaced Pages is about. Basically, you or anyone else attempting to create an article about your NPO is going to need to be able to clearly show that it meets Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies) by establishing that it has received the kind of significant coverage in multiple WP:SECONDARY reliable sources as explained in WP:ORGDEPTH for any such article to even have chance of surviving a WP:DELETION challenge. Even then, neither you nor your NPO would have any claim of WP:OWNERSHIP over the article and its content, and anyone with a conflict of interest (i.e. any personally or professionally connected to the NPO) would be expected to never directly edit it (except in some very limited cases). So, if you're looking to spread the word of all the great things your NPO is doing, perhaps there are WP:ALTERNATIVEOUTLETS more suitable than Misplaced Pages for such a thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Editing a celebrity's Wiki page

Hi, I work with Sonu Nigam - a reputed singer from India. This is his Wiki page - Sonu Nigam There's is an error in his bio where the names of one of his sisters is not mentioned. Currently it only mentions Teesha Nigam but he has two sisters - Meenal Nigam and Teesha Nigam, Meenal Nigam's name needs to be added. Shreyjadav (talk) 09:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The place to request this is the article talk page. However this can only be done if you supply a reliable source. All Misplaced Pages content must be reliably sourced.Shantavira| 09:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding an unreferenced name of a non-notable sibling is not appropriate. I have removed it. Cullen328 (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

On a more general note, parents' names and their professions are often named in an Early life and education section, a spouse or spouses named in a Personal life section along with how many children, but children's name not shown. An expection to this guidance is if close relatives are themselves the subjects of existing articles and especially if they are in the same profession as the subject. Teesha is the subject of an article. David notMD (talk) 09:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Cassie_Kozyrkov

Hello Everyone,

I'm Saad , just a fresh new editor. I have just barely gotten through the wikipedia adventure, anyways now i'm here and the reason that I started doing this is becuase I need to create a biography for my Boss , who's a well know thought leader. The link that I gave above is from one of her direct competetors. I was exploring it and noticed that it says that the page has many erros and does not follow the notibility criteria. If possible could some help me identify some examples of what's wrong with the article so I could make one for my boss without the mistakes she made. I also need 10 edits so I though I should start from here. Steen Rasmussen FYI (talk) 10:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Steen Rasmussen FYI, Welcome to the Teahouse. The first step would be to read this When your boss tells you to edit Misplaced Pages. It is highly advised not to create an article about someone you know personally or professionally, as there will be a Conflict of Interest. Jeraxmoira (talk) 10:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey Jeraxmoira, Thank you for the warm welcome and the information. You just made life easier and at the same time more difficult for me xD. I've read the page and I completely understand but is there no way around it? I mean many people have biographies of them here on Misplaced Pages, plus it isn't that he ordered me to write a biography on him. I wanted to provide Misplaced Pages editing services and also wanted to write about him since he's also my mentor, both seemed like a good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steen Rasmussen FYI (talk • contribs) 11:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. You said that "I need to create a biography for my boss", suggesting that you were directed to do so. You may still proceed if you wish to, even though it is highly advised that you not do so, but you must create and submit a draft via the Article Wizard instead of attempting to directly create an article. You should first gather independent reliable sources that on their own offer significant coverage of your boss and describes what they see as important/significant/influential about them- how they meet the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable person. This should not include interviews, press releases, brief mentions, or materials put out by your boss or company, it should only summarize independent sources who chose on their own to write about your boss. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Steen Rasmussen. As well as what others have said, note that, once you have found the independent reliable sources which are a non-negotiable requirement for a Misplaced Pages article, you will need to forget everything you know about your boss, and write a summary of what those sources say. If you happen to think (or know) that something they say is wrong, that gives you a problem. Depending on what that information is, you might be able to simply omit it, but what you may not do is substitute something else that you know from personal experience. Do you see why this can be hard?

I'll also point out that new editors who immediately try the challenging task of creating a new article (even without a conflict of interest) often have a frustrating and disappointing time. If you had just started to study engineering, would you try to build a car as your first project? I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Misplaced Pages works by improving some of our six million articles, making sure to learn about verifiability, reliable sources and neutral point of view. ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Steen Rasmussen FYI: Welcome to the Teahouse. I should also add that because you're planning to write about your boss, you have a paid relationship and disclose that properly. With the advice that other users have given you, I'm going to add that there are reasons not to have an article about her; one of the possible risks is that if a reliable source reports on something embarrassing or damaging to your boss, there's little to no way of getting it removed without editor consensus. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, your wrote "I wanted to provide Misplaced Pages editing services..." While there are a few legitimate paid editors, the offerings of paid services is plagued by scams, as so strongly advised against. The great majority of article creators and existing articles improvers are unpaid volunteers. David notMD (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Shannon Taylor (actress)

I'm a bit confused how this was declined. Meets WP:BLP with awards, noms and has plenty of significant RS. Am I alone here? If so, why? Filmforme (talk) 11:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I would reach out to the user who declined this. Lectonar (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Filmforme The reviewer probably looked at the first two sources you used extensively. The first seems to have been written by her parents and the second is based on an interview. Both are in a very local source and neither contributes to demonstrate her wikinotability. You need better sources that match these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Refs 3 & 4 are near identical in content, suggesting derived from band press release. Ref 5, only picture caption makes mention of Shannon. Which 3-4 references are about her, at length? David notMD (talk) 16:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Being "2nd assistant director" and a Producer on We All Die Alone does not mean the awards are relevant to an article about her. Delete all mention of the film. David notMD (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

translate the content of a Turkish title into English

hi again,

How can I translate the content of a Turkish title into English?

It gives an error like: ''Your translation cannot be published because publishing is only allowed to more experienced editors on this wiki.''

I would appreciate it if you could help me on this issue. thank you Mskoksal (talk) 13:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Mskoksal Hello. Accounts new to this Misplaced Pages cannot directly create articles; you seem to already be working on a draft that you can submit for review.

If you work for Espressolab, you are required by the Terms of Use to disclose that, please see the paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Be aware that what is acceptable on the Turkish Misplaced Pages is not necessarily acceptable here- each version of Misplaced Pages is separate, with its own policies. 331dot (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Deleting external links from a article

How do I delete external links from an article? Jackeyed One (talk) 15:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Just click the edit button above the section you wish to edit and remove them. If you're referring to Draft:Janet Panetta I suggest you read Referencing for beginners. Shantavira| 16:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I’m bored

Hello. Could you tell me a daring story of online image campaigns starting problems on Misplaced Pages? Or of long time vandals? Of influential sock puppets, and sock empires? Or maybe of outside conspiracies playing out on wp? I am really just bored. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme: Hello! Perhaps, Category:Humorous Misplaced Pages essays would be of interest to you. Deltaspace (talk • contribs) 16:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh you are my hero. Indeed, this is all I need. If anybody else wants to answer as well, though, it won’t bother me. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:LTA is where long-term abusers are described. You seem to be regularly bored. Why not use the WP:Task Center to find useful things to do? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Great! Thanks. Il come back here when I’m bored again. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 17:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

citing an advertisement in a journal/magazine

https://en.wikipedia.org/Bettmann_Archive has a citation referencing an advertisement placed in a journal by Otto Bettmann (not a peer-reviewed paper in the journal) but there is no title for the advertisement and I don't seem to be able to get to the source to see it. I made the minor change of

• replacing title= with journal= to indicate the name of the journal, and
• adding a comment for the title explaining why there is no title for the article.

Of course the rendering for this still correctly complains that there is no title:

{{cite journal}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

How should this citation be given? (I may run into this again, myself, if I refer to an ad about a historic computer or related product.)

Ainsinga (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I inserted the text quote as a title. Does that work for you? David notMD (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for help with content editing

Draft:Altay Şükrü Yılmaz Hello dear wikipedia editors!

Can you help me with my article in draft form?

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

https://www.google.com/search?kgmid=/g/11s3zjgp_f&hl=tr Tartou (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Answered on the AfC Helpdesk - please do not make multiple topics. Again, it is up to you to prove notability. Qcne (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

How to separate quotes for one reference

Hello! I'm new and need help... Could you please tell me how to separate 2 quotes from 1 source for 1 reference, or if there are Paragraph1 with TopicA and needs no quote but Paragraph100 with TopicB needs QuoteB (both of them use the same source, cite web, therefore they will be placed under 1 reference)? I'm looking for something like... for example, Reference number 3, has 2 cite webs, and we can use * with enter to create a list under Reference number 3.

Reference

1

2

3

• cite web
• another cite web

4

And then, how to:

Reference

1

2

3 cite web

• QuoteB

4

Do we have to write QuoteB manually outside the cite web without |quote= ?

I also want when we read the whole article, for Paragraph1 (with TopicA) we click and QuoteB not show up.

English is not my first language but I hope you can still catch the idea from my words... Miracle for0110 (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Can't find that many good references

I am trying to make a page on Major Hans Freiss, but the only references I have are in German. It is very hard with so little info. Some sources say he died, others say he is alive, but since he was born in 1910, he is probably dead. Here is a link to my draft: ​​​​​Draft:Major Hans Freiß - Misplaced Pages Deerare2good (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The interweb seems to think he is Frieß, not ei. German refs are fine; as for other reference sources I suspect a newspaper archive might be your best bet. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Bored again

As above, I am bored again. I’m going to ask you a genuinely useful question now. Is en.wp more liberal (I.e economically), possibly even neo-liberal, and more conservative, in short right-wing, than it is (reformist) socialist (social-democratic, democratic socialist) or communist (Marxist, far-left)? I have realized that some articles here on en.wp are largely different from their French or Spanish counterparts. Also, why is the German Misplaced Pages so professional? Please do not answer with, "You should ask there", or something like that, please give me an actual response. Was there ever a poll done of editors and their beliefs? Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Possibly you need to get a hobby, Encyclopédisme. Arguaby you are misusing this forum. Meanwhile, Ideological bias on Misplaced Pages. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Rachel Zegler Misplaced Pages photo

Hello! I recently took a photo of Rachel Zegler that I was wanting to use for her wikipedia page, as her current one is quite old. I've never uploaded on here before, so I have some questions. If I upload this photo, do I still own its copyright? Can it be used in any other official media like websites or magazines without my permission? Sorry if these questions seem silly, but I am very new to this! Thank you in advance. Brutallygolden (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you continue to own its copyright. But you licence it for use on WP, and that licence also allows it to be used elsewhere without your permission. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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