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== Homeopathy oldest European alternative medicine? ==

The article states the following about Homeopathy: "Homeopathy, the longest established alternative medicine to come out of Europe," the source being a book on homeopathy.

How do we define something as established? Animal magnetism, for example, was created 20 years prior (in Vienna) and is still being practiced today in various countries in Europe (most prominently, it seems, in France), even if the term 'animal' has been dropped. It still has institutions. I would therefore consider it as a 'longer established alternative medicine to come out of Europe.'

In the end it is but a detail, and homeopathy is without question much wider spread than magnetism. What do other things of this? ] (]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:Alternative medicine is simply stuff that is used as medicine but has no valid evidence of efficacy. So, humorism is alternative medicine now, although it was mainstream for centuries before homepathy was invented.
:I think this claim is simply a meaningless ] and should be deleted. --] (]) 12:58, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
::I agree, the sentence is more factually correct (and concise) without this particular insertion.
::I am sure there is a debate to be had which form of complementary healthcare is the oldest, still established form coming from Europe--but this debate is largely inconsequential to the audience of this Misplaced Pages page. ] (]) 13:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:::I agree, and I have removed it: . --] (]) 19:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


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Reverting deleting edits?

Now-blocked user complaining about WP:FORUM removals on this page. — The Hand That Feeds You: 16:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Is it not against Misplaced Pages rules to delete contributions made by other users in the talk page ? If you dont agree with what I suggested just try to discuss it.. If discussion is difficult for you then try to educate yourselves ... a little about rules in elementery discourse... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay1938 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It is not against Misplaced Pages rules to delete WP:FORUM contributions. Your contribution had no useable suggestion for improving it. It would have been useable if you had included a new WP:MEDRS source. Omitting the "waah! waah! bias!" rhetoric would have been a plus too. See WP:YWAB for other examples. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Schools of Homeopathy in the US

https://homeopathy.org/homeopathic-education/homeopathic-schools-directory/ 2600:1700:FDF0:19D0:9DA2:17A:7162:AFC7 (talk) 19:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTDIRECTORY. VQuakr (talk) 19:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Evidence of scientific underpinning for homeopathic remedies

Asked and answered. — The Hand That Feeds You: 10:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

please read and refer to The Memory of Water, which details the research done by a French Dr, and scientist who gives a very plausible explanation of the science supported by research and experiment. I am 69, have a masters degree and am not given to daft ideas. My children were treated with homeopathic remedies when they were little, which usually worked very well and were much safer than antibiotics. As a result they have very good immune systems. We are all becoming resistant to antibiotics and homeopathy represents a safe alternative.If it is possible to split or fuse atoms, why can the body which is 80% water, not respond on a molecular level to 'like cures like' treatments? Isn't that how vaccine works in a way? Please put both sides of the discussion. 2A00:23C6:3888:101:D55A:C3A6:77F:AFD6 (talk) 19:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Any proposal to such inclusion should be based on sources that satisfy WP:MEDRS. Without such sources this request is off-topic on this article talk page. - DVdm (talk) 20:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
When I was studying chemistry at university in the 1990s, we were taught that liquid water does indeed have a 'memory', of sorts, but it is one that lasts for a tiny fraction of a second. Quacks, charlatans and pseudoscientific snake oil salesmen have been relying on that sciencey-sounding phrase to hoodwink scientifically illiterate people into buying their faux remedies for decades. People are not healed by homeopathic remedies, they just get better naturally, just like people who don't take anything when they have a bit of a cold. (Antibiotics don't work on colds, flus and the like either, they are only effective against bacterial infections. And no, we aren't becoming resistant to them - it is the bacteria that are evolving and becoming resistant to them.) Homeopathy is mostly safe, in the sense that most of the remedies sold under the banner of homeopathy aren't actively poisonous; however, it is entirely ineffective, and giving people ineffective drugs when they have real ailments is, well, not ideal. There are no two 'sides' to this, at least in the scientific community, which unanimously accepts that there is no evidence that homeopathy is more effective in treating any ailment than a cup of tea and a bit of sympathy, and also unanimously accepts that there is no scientifically credible proposed mechanism by which it might work. At all. The other 'side' is the result of the marketing effort of what is a multi-billion dollar industry, selling ineffective treatments to people who don't know any better, which wants to keep doing that. We have a duty to reflect the scientific consensus view, and not to reflect the other one. Girth Summit (blether) 20:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Even if there were no rules here against using your own reasoning: Nobody who knows anything about how science works is impressed by people showing off their credentials or the credentials of somebody else, or by anecdotal evidence tainted by Post hoc ergo propter hoc and cherry picking. That "French Dr" is probably Jacques Benveniste who was well-known for his gullibility regarding such things, and his "findings" have not been corroborated. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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