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	* '''Oppose'''. Although this page includes the phrase "People who write about atheism, the page for the subcategory ] contains the following: "English writers who are or were atheists." There seems to be a central confusion about whether the category should refer to the beliefs of the writers, or their subject matter. No doubt there would be considerable overlap between ] and ] as many of the writers whom editors think to categorize as atheists write about atheism, but the two are by no means interchangeable. I think the phrase "People who write about atheism" should be changed to "Writers who are or were atheists" as that reflects more natural and unambiguous language usage. For example, if the proposed change were made, how would an editor characterize a religious writer who wrote against atheism? ] would be misleading. And confusing, if combined with a religious category. — ]] 18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)		* '''Oppose'''. Although this page includes the phrase "People who write about atheism, the page for the subcategory ] contains the following: "English writers who are or were atheists." There seems to be a central confusion about whether the category should refer to the beliefs of the writers, or their subject matter. No doubt there would be considerable overlap between ] and ] as many of the writers whom editors think to categorize as atheists write about atheism, but the two are by no means interchangeable. I think the phrase "People who write about atheism" should be changed to "Writers who are or were atheists" as that reflects more natural and unambiguous language usage. For example, if the proposed change were made, how would an editor characterize a religious writer who wrote against atheism? ] would be misleading. And confusing, if combined with a religious category. — ]] 18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
	*:Well, how do you suggest we resolve the contradiction? The intersection between being an atheist and being a writer isn't a defining one, whereas being a writer about athesim is. ] (]) 03:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)		*:Well, how do you suggest we resolve the contradiction? The intersection between being an atheist and being a writer isn't a defining one, whereas being a writer about athesim is. ] (]) 03:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' - that is a complete redefinition of the category which has no direct connection to the current content. It would be better to instead create/propose the desired category, and separately submit this one for deletion if it is warranted (I don't see how it would be). Repurposing this category with a rename is the wrong way to handle it. -- ] ] 04:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' - that is a complete redefinition of the category which has no direct connection to the current content. It would be better to instead create/propose the desired category, and separately submit this one for deletion if it is warranted (I don't see how it would be - they can live side-by-side). Repurposing this category with a rename is the wrong way to handle it. edit: I've of this so that it reflects correctly that this is not intended as a subject area category. -- ] ] 04:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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February 9

Category:1913 Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association football season

Propose deleting Category:1913 Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association football season (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There's only a page and the template in here. I've added the main page to the 1913 football season category. Mason (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fascists by ethnicity

Propose merging Category:Fascists by ethnicity to Category:Fascists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is a redudant layer. Mason (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Brooklyn Hills football seasons

Propose deleting Category:Brooklyn Hills football seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only 2 pages in category. Let'srun (talk) 23:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Staten Island Cricket Club football seasons

Propose deleting Category:Staten Island Cricket Club football seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only two pages in category Let'srun (talk) 22:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:12th-century Christian universalists

Propose merging Category:12th-century Christian universalists to Category:Medieval Christian universalists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Keep WP:SMALLCAT and the fact that it diffuses multiple navigation schemes. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Small cat is no longer wikipedia policy. What navigation schemes does it diffuse? Mason (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Breton historians

Propose renaming Category:Breton historians to Category:Historians of Brittany

Nominator's rationale: Per C2C: Norm is to use Historians of SUBJECT, I'm not sure if this can be speedied because the main page is called List of Breton historians. But as named it could be historians who are ethnically Bretons Mason (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:6th-century Indian non-fiction writers

Propose merging Category:6th-century Indian non-fiction writers to Category:6th-century Indian writers
Propose merging Category:5th-century Indian non-fiction writers to Category:5th-century Indian writers
Propose merging Category:4th-century Indian non-fiction writers to Category:4th-century Indian writers
Propose merging Category:3rd-century Indian non-fiction writers to Category:3rd-century Indian writers
Propose merging Category:2nd-century Indian non-fiction writers to Category:2nd-century Indian writers

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Redudant category layer. Each only has FOOian-century Indian scholars in it Mason (talk) 21:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:21st-century Vietnamese calligraphers

Propose merging Category:21st-century Vietnamese calligraphers (0) to Category:Vietnamese calligraphers and Category:21st-century calligraphers and Category:21st-century Vietnamese artists
Propose merging Category:20th-century Vietnamese calligraphers (0) to Category:Vietnamese calligraphers and Category:20th-century calligraphers and Category:20th-century Vietnamese artists
Propose merging Category:19th-century Vietnamese calligraphers (0) to Category:Vietnamese calligraphers and Category:19th-century calligraphers and Category:19th-century Vietnamese people

Nominator's rationale: There are only 4 unique people across these three categories. Upmerge for now Mason (talk) 21:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:21st-century Korean calligraphers

Propose merging Category:21st-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:21st-century calligraphers and Category:21st-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:20th-century Korean calligraphers (5) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:20th-century calligraphers and Category:20th-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:13th-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:13th-century calligraphers and Category:13th-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:12th-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:12th-century calligraphers and Category:12th-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:11th-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:11th-century calligraphers and Category:11th-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:10th-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:10th-century calligraphers and Category:10th-century Korean artists
Propose merging Category:9th-century Korean calligraphers (0) to Category:Korean calligraphers and Category:9th-century calligraphers and Category:9th-century Korean artists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one (or two) people in each of these categories. Mason (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:5th-century Chinese musicians

Propose renaming Category:5th-century Chinese musicians (0) to Category:5th-century musicians (and adding the contents to Category:5th-century Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:4th-century Chinese musicians (0) to Category:4th-century musicians (and adding the contents to Category:4th-century Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:3rd-century Chinese musicians (0) to Category:3rd-century musicians (and adding the contents to Category:3rd-century Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:2nd-century Chinese musicians (0) to Category:2nd-century musicians (and adding the contents to Category:2nd-century Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:1st-century Chinese musicians (0) to Category:1st-century musicians (and adding the contents to Category:1st-century Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:1st-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:1st-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:1st-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:2nd-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:2nd-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:2nd-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:3rd-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:3rd-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:3rd-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:4th-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:4th-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:4th-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:5th-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:5th-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:5th-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)
Propose renaming Category:6th-century BC Chinese musicians (0) to Category:6th-century BC musicians (and adding the contents to Category:6th-century BC Chinese people and Category:Ancient Chinese musicians)

Nominator's rationale: I propose broadening these categories to include musicians of any nationality. Mason (talk) 20:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Non-human characters in video games

Propose merging Category:Non-human characters in video games to Category:Video game characters

Nominator's rationale: Classifying things as "non-human" fails WP:NONDEF. It's about what characters are not, rather than being about what they are. The subcategories are indeed defining, since they refer to what a character is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Rename as Category:Video game characters by species, and purge any articles from the resulting container category. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I wouldn't really have an issue with this either as it would be made a pure container category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wives of Rupert Murdoch

Propose deleting Category:Wives of Rupert Murdoch (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. Already handled at Category:Murdoch family, spouse categories are incredibly rare except for royalty etc. --wooden superman 13:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Categories like these are not only intended for royalty. Dimadick (talk) 14:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Delete, articles are already in Category:Murdoch family and perfectly fine there. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Comment Is this an inherently limited category? It's not like Murdoch will be having 4 or 5 more wives so there is little potential for growth. Liz 19:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Delete; as Liz notes, there is little to no potential for growth here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Delete Yeah, I'd agree that unlike wives of royalty, this is not defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 20:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nomination and the fact that this is literally an example of a category to not make (i.e. Category:Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Not a defining characteristic and extremely limited. Let'srun (talk) 22:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Female soldiers

Propose merging Category:Female soldiers to Category:Women soldiers

Nominator's rationale: A complete WP:OVERLAPCAT. It used to be a redirect, but since User:AHI-3000 thinks it should be its own category, we should probably come to a consensus about whether it should exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom and purge Category:Female child soldiers. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Reverse merge. "Female soldiers" sounds grammatically better than "women soldiers", because "female" is an adjective and "women" is actually a plural noun. I also think this should be done for other occupational categories that are erroneously named with "Women" at the beginning of their page titles. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Reverse merge per AHI-3000, and do not purge Category:Female child soldiers (as it fits under the umbrella "female"). If it is regularly-merged, then do purge. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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Reverse merge per discussion above. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Note As Category:Female soldiers is the newer category, in order to preserve history, the merge should still be executed as I proposed, but then the category renamed to "Female soldiers". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Procedurally oppose. I think we should not be having a ton of these renaming women to female simultaneously. Mason (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Even if you oppose changing the name, surely you support both categories not existing at the same time, right? I don't understand why you would oppose even that. I have no preference on what name it ends up as, I just deferred to the one that has been stable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
That's a good point. I'll support the merge in these circumstaces. Mason (talk) 23:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge as nominated with no prejuduice to a rename in a larger discussion. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Articles about multiple people

Propose renaming Category:Articles about multiple people to Category:Groups of people

Nominator's rationale: The current title isn't really defining, as it refers to the article rather than the article subject. The rename would remedy that by making it clear it's talking about the subjects of each article. A move to this name failed in 2011, but for an odd reason - they claimed that 2 people were not a "group". Merriam-Webster defines group as "two or more", so this is flat-out wrong. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Comment Since these have a different naming convention, the editor who recreated these would not have been aware of the prior consensus. But the onus here should really be on the creator to describe why these are different or how they comply with the editing guidelines, otherwise be deleted per WP:G4. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete All These have the same combination of WP:OR, WP:OVERLAPCAT, and WP:OCEGRS as the last time. The reliable sources in Johnny Gat list the character as Asian American but the voice artist is Korean American so Misplaced Pages editors have made the determination the character is also Korean American. Samurai (Super Friends) is listed under both Japanese and Japanese American super hero categories (without evidence of emigration) but is really defined by being a fictional Samurai so I added him to Category:Fictional samurai. Chloe Frazer actually belongs in the category tree but, in addition to being described as of Indian ancestry, she is also "sexually forward" and a "reckless adventurer"; the ancestry is one line in the backstory among many and not defining. I'm not cherry picking articles here, those were the first three I clicked on. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete all Per RevelationDirect. Dubious confirmation of the characters' descents is a major issue, but even if they were all correct it would fall under WP:OCEGRS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Delete all: Per RevelationDirect that pretty much covers it all. -- Otr500 (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States

Propose deleting Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow category of unclear necessity.
Firstly, the Papal States were never exactly a country in the conventional sense, but more a ragtag collection of territories under the direct rule of the Pope -- so Category:People from the Papal States doesn't have nearly as developed a scheme of subcategories as most real countries do, including virtually no scheme of "XX-century anything from the Papal States" categories for anybody besides the popes themselves. For instance, we don't have a Category:19th-century bishops in the Papal States, or a Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States, or even a Category:19th-century people from the Papal States, to parent this at all.
Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, this was created in such a way that it was essentially broken right from the start: it's using one of those automated "Thing by country and century category header" templates that standardize the format of related categories and farm their category parentage off to a module, but said module is not coded to recognize the Papal States as a country at all for the purposes of generating "in the Papal States" categories, meaning it's only generating disabled or redlinked nonsense categories like Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in and Category:19th century in that can't legitimately be created at all -- so I've had to suppress the template's autogenerated categories for being unfixable nonsense, and manually categorize it in parent categories that actually exist, which rather defeats the purpose of even using the template.
So for both of those reasons, it's far from clear that an inherently broken category with very few logical parents would be needed for just two people at all. Bearcat (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Generally, I would agree with you. I would suggest using the categories for bishop in the existing countries, instead, I believe, it was an editors' consensus which led to creation of these categories for non-existing historical states (for example: Category:17th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Republic of Geneva or Category:17th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Ottoman Empire). The Papal States are a historical country, just as much the Republic of Geneva or the Ottoman Empire are. And there's lots of clergy and bishops who lived and died in the State of the Church as it was officialy called. Governor Sheng (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not against the category per se, the Papal States are generally recognized as a country in its own right until the unification of Italy. However, there are currently only an apostolic administrator and an auxilary bishop in this category, so I am not opposing either. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Comment. If not kept, it should be merged to Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops and Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States. Second, as the person who wrote and maintains the Bishops in Foo templates, I just haven't had the time to add non-current countries to the template. So I don't think that that's a good reason to support deletion. Mason (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Theoretically, all of the Popes who rulled the Papal States, could be added to the category(ies). Governor Sheng (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

The merge is redundant because both articles are already in Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, we could rename the category to Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the Papal States Mason (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Modern Latin-language writers

Propose deleting Category:Modern Latin-language writers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, all of this is contained in Category:Neo-Latin writers. Modern Latin redirects to Neo-Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom Mason (talk) 03:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Speeches by Bahram Beyzai

Propose merging Category:Speeches by Bahram Beyzai to Category:Works by Bahram Beyzai
Propose merging Category:Speeches by Harold Macmillan to Category:Speeches by Conservative Party (UK)
Propose merging Category:Speeches by Nelson Mandela to Category:South Africa presidential speeches
Propose merging Category:Speeches by Thabo Mbeki to Category:South Africa presidential speeches
Propose merging Category:Speeches by Yasser Arafat to Category:Yasser Arafat

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one speech in each, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 05:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Dual merge if applicable, also to Category:Harold Macmillan, Category:Works by Nelson Mandela, and Category:Thabo Mbeki respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Atheist writers

Propose renaming Category:Atheist writers to Category:Writers on Atheism

Nominator's rationale: I think that we should rename this category to make it clearer that these are people who write about the subject of atheism. rather than writers who are atheists. I modeled the rename on Category:Writers on Germanic paganism‎ and other categories like it in Category:Writers by non-fiction subject area. Mason (talk) 04:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

That would require quite a bit of purging too. The current category rather contains writers who are atheists. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. Although this page includes the phrase "People who write about atheism, the page for the subcategory Category:English atheist writers contains the following: "English writers who are or were atheists." There seems to be a central confusion about whether the category should refer to the beliefs of the writers, or their subject matter. No doubt there would be considerable overlap between Category:Atheist writers and Category:Writers on Atheism as many of the writers whom editors think to categorize as atheists write about atheism, but the two are by no means interchangeable. I think the phrase "People who write about atheism" should be changed to "Writers who are or were atheists" as that reflects more natural and unambiguous language usage. For example, if the proposed change were made, how would an editor characterize a religious writer who wrote against atheism? Category:Atheist writers would be misleading. And confusing, if combined with a religious category. — scribbling woman 18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, how do you suggest we resolve the contradiction? The intersection between being an atheist and being a writer isn't a defining one, whereas being a writer about athesim is. Mason (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose - that is a complete redefinition of the category which has no direct connection to the current content. It would be better to instead create/propose the desired category, and separately submit this one for deletion if it is warranted (I don't see how it would be - they can live side-by-side). Repurposing this category with a rename is the wrong way to handle it. edit: I've corrected the categorization of this so that it reflects correctly that this is not intended as a subject area category. -- Netoholic @ 04:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Dutch atheist writers

Propose merging Category:Dutch atheist writers to Category:Atheist writers (or Writers on Atheism, if renamed) and Category:Dutch atheists

Nominator's rationale: Small category that's unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. This would be a piecemeal change. Category:Atheist writers has nine national subcategories, two of which only contain one name each (this one and Category:Austrian atheist writers) and two of which only contain two (Category:Albanian atheist writers and Category:Colombian atheist writers). Three list four names each (Category:French atheist writers, Category:German atheist writers, Category:Russian atheist writers; only two list more than a dozen each (Category:American atheist writers and Category:English atheist writers). One could argue that this is an under-used category; personally, I have no issue with giving categories time to be populated. My main point is that the approach needs to be consistent. — scribbling woman 18:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
How much time do you think is reasonable? This category was created in 2019. I chose the nom targets for this page based on the properties of the single page in the category. @Scribblingwoman, do you have a solution for how to manage the current tree? Mason (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pride parades in Nevada

Propose splitting Category:Pride parades in Nevada to Category:Pride parades in the United States and Category:LGBT events in Nevada

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:BBC World Service foreign language

Propose renaming Category:BBC World Service foreign language to Category:BBC World Service foreign language stations

Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure what to make of this category. Should we just add 'stations' to the end of the name? Is this just a collection of World Service stations, in which case 'foreign language' isn't really necessary. Fuddle (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Alt rename to Category:BBC World Service foreign language services, since the word "service" occurs most frequently in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:GA-Class Nazi Germany articles

Propose deleting Category:GA-Class Nazi Germany articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:FA-Class Nazi Germany articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: These articles should not be manually added, but added through WikiProject banner templates. These (as far as I can tell) are not connected to any task force or WikiProject. WP:WikiProject Nazi Germany redirects to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Germany but Template:WikiProject Germany does not have a task force for it. Also while Misplaced Pages:Nazi affiliation task force exists, there isn't a main category for that task force. Gonnym (talk) 13:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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These deletions seems reasonable. I don't have strong opinions. Has anyone asked the Wikiproject what they'd like to do with it? Mason (talk) 02:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Translators of Ray Bradbury

Propose deleting Category:Translators of Ray Bradbury (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining; WP:OCASSOC --wooden superman 10:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@Woodensuperman: question: are these the first two nominations of subcategories of Category:Translators by writer and will others follow soon? Or if not, why do these two stand out? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Translators of Agatha Christie

Propose deleting Category:Translators of Agatha Christie (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC --wooden superman 10:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Humor and wit characters

Propose merging Category:Humor and wit characters to Category:Comedy characters

Nominator's rationale: Seems like a complete overlap; humor and wit is by definition comedy. Category was also made by a blocked user. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about the target: does "comedy" include folklore tales? Because that is what a number of articles are about. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
If the characters aren't explicitly comedic, they should probably just be purged. Calling a non-comedic character humorous or not, is personal opinion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is a bit of a grey area though. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Stand-up comedy concert films

Propose renaming Category:Stand-up comedy concert films to Category:Stand-up comedy specials and films

Nominator's rationale: There are no separate Categories for non-concert films of stand-up comedy, so the disambiguation is unneeded. The Category was created in the early year of 2006. Recorded, edited and released long-form stand-up comedy acts are ubiquitously referred to as "specials". Separately, Misplaced Pages defines a concert as being a live musical performance in front of an audience. DA1 (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Addendum: The Primetime Emmy Awards nominates comedy specials under the category Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Variety Special (Pre-Recorded), and the Golden Globe Awards began in 2024 the Best Performance in Stand-Up Comedy on Television. DA1 (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 03:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Vikkstar123

Propose deleting Category:Vikkstar123 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Requesting deletion per WP:OCEPON. There are a total of 3 related articles combined in two subcats which already interlink to one another. No need for the parent. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 02:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Women foos

Propose renaming Category:Women academics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female academics
Propose renaming Category:Women accountants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female accountants
Propose renaming Category:Women activists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female activists
Propose renaming Category:Women art collectors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female art collectors
Propose renaming Category:Women artisans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female artisans
Propose renaming Category:Women arts administrators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female arts administrators
Propose renaming Category:Women astronauts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female astronauts
Propose renaming Category:Women audio engineers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female audio engineers
Propose renaming Category:Women aviators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female aviators
Propose renaming Category:Women chefs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female chefs
Propose renaming Category:Women collectors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female collectors
Propose renaming Category:Women conductors (music) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female conductors (music)
Propose renaming Category:Women conservationists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female conservationists
Propose renaming Category:Women diplomats (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female diplomats
Propose renaming Category:Women directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female directors
Propose renaming Category:Women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female editors
Propose renaming Category:Women educational personnel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female educational personnel
Propose renaming Category:Women educational theorists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female educational theorists
Propose renaming Category:Women educators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female educators
Propose renaming Category:Women engineers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female engineers
Propose renaming Category:Women entertainers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female entertainers
Propose renaming Category:Women evangelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female evangelists
Propose renaming Category:Women farmers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female farmers
Propose renaming Category:Women financial analysts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female financial analysts
Propose renaming Category:Women folklorists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female folklorists
Propose renaming Category:Women jurists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female jurists
Propose renaming Category:Women trade union leaders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female trade union leaders
Propose renaming Category:Women landowners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female landowners
Propose renaming Category:Women lawyers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female lawyers
Propose renaming Category:Women legislators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female legislators
Propose renaming Category:Women lighthouse keepers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female lighthouse keepers
Propose renaming Category:Women motivational speakers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female motivational speakers
Propose renaming Category:Women music promoters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female music promoters
Propose renaming Category:Women mystics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female mystics
Propose renaming Category:Women philatelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female philatelists
Propose renaming Category:Women philosophers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female philosophers
Propose renaming Category:Women physicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female physicians
Propose renaming Category:Women podcasters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female podcasters
Propose renaming Category:Women police officers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female police officers
Propose renaming Category:Women politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female politicians
Propose renaming Category:Women presidents of organizations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female presidents of organizations
Propose renaming Category:Women printers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female printers
Propose renaming Category:Women referees and umpires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female referees and umpires
Propose renaming Category:Women restaurateurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female restaurateurs
Propose renaming Category:Women rulers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female rulers
Propose renaming Category:Women scholars and academics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female scholars and academics
Propose renaming Category:Women scientists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female scientists
Propose renaming Category:Women sheriffs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female sheriffs
Propose renaming Category:Women slaves (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female slaves
Propose renaming Category:Women slave owners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female slave owners
Propose renaming Category:Women spies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female spies
Propose renaming Category:Women stamp designers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female stamp designers
Propose renaming Category:Women stock traders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female stock traders
Propose renaming Category:Women theatre managers and producers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female theatre managers and producers
Propose renaming Category:Women theologians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female theologians
Propose renaming Category:Women urban planners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female urban planners
Propose renaming Category:Women video game developers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female video game developers
Propose renaming Category:Women video game producers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female video game producers
Propose renaming Category:Women video game programmers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female video game programmers
Propose renaming Category:Women writers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female writers
Propose renaming Category:Women yogis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female yogis
Propose renaming Category:Indian women newspaper editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Indian newspaper editors
Propose renaming Category:Women print editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female print editors
Propose renaming Category:Women magazine editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female magazine editors
Propose renaming Category:Women newspaper editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female newspaper editors
Propose renaming Category:Women sound editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female sound editors
Propose renaming Category:American women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female American editors
Propose renaming Category:Argentine women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Argentine editors
Propose renaming Category:Australian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Australian editors
Propose renaming Category:Austrian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Austrian editors
Propose renaming Category:Bolivian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Bolivian editors
Propose renaming Category:Brazilian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Brazilian editors
Propose renaming Category:British women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female British editors
Propose renaming Category:Bulgarian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Bulgarian editors
Propose renaming Category:Canadian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Canadian editors
Propose renaming Category:Chilean women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Chilean editors
Propose renaming Category:Chinese women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Chinese editors
Propose renaming Category:Czech women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Czech editors
Propose renaming Category:Danish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Danish editors
Propose renaming Category:Egyptian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Egyptian editors
Propose renaming Category:Estonian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Estonian editors
Propose renaming Category:Finnish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Finnish editors
Propose renaming Category:French women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female French editors
Propose renaming Category:German women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female German editors
Propose renaming Category:Ghanaian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Ghanaian editors
Propose renaming Category:Greek women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Greek editors
Propose renaming Category:Hungarian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Hungarian editors
Propose renaming Category:Icelandic women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Icelandic editors
Propose renaming Category:Indian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Indian editors
Propose renaming Category:Iranian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Iranian editors
Propose renaming Category:Irish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Irish editors
Propose renaming Category:Israeli women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Israeli editors
Propose renaming Category:Italian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Italian editors
Propose renaming Category:Japanese women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Japanese editors
Propose renaming Category:Kuwaiti women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Kuwaiti editors
Propose renaming Category:Mexican women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Mexican editors
Propose renaming Category:New Zealand women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female New Zealand editors
Propose renaming Category:Norwegian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Norwegian editors
Propose renaming Category:Peruvian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Peruvian editors
Propose renaming Category:Polish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Polish editors
Propose renaming Category:Romanian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Romanian editors
Propose renaming Category:Russian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Russian editors
Propose renaming Category:Saudi Arabian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Saudi Arabian editors
Propose renaming Category:Serbian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Serbian editors
Propose renaming Category:Slovenian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Slovenian editors
Propose renaming Category:South African women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female South African editors
Propose renaming Category:Spanish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Spanish editors
Propose renaming Category:Sudanese women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Sudanese editors
Propose renaming Category:Swedish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Swedish editors
Propose renaming Category:Swiss women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Swiss editors
Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Taiwanese editors
Propose renaming Category:Tunisian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Tunisian editors
Propose renaming Category:Turkish women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Turkish editors
Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian women editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Ukrainian editors
Propose renaming Category:Spanish women film editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Female Spanish film editors‎

Nominator's rationale: "Women" is a noun, "female" is an adjective. There are probably many categories I missed, but this is a good start. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Comment: The above listing is far from complete. There are hundreds more, for example those under Category:Women writers by nationality, Category:Women artists by nationality, Category:Women photographers by nationality, etc.--Ipigott (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. I've started to think about this some more as the nom has been coming up. (I personally prefer being called a women, than being described as female).

1) These renames are going to wreck havoc on a ton of pre-existing templates, which just makes more work. Going from FOO female/woman to female/women FOO occupation splits the occupation category.

2) I do not want to see this trickle down into categories called Fooian females, because there are numerous undertones. I would like the previsions discussions related to these renames to be linked here.

3) I would really like some feedback from more women focused wikipedia groups.

4) I think women makes it clearer that being a women in the occupation is a defining feature, rather than someone who is female. Mason (talk) 03:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as "women" refers to gender, while "female" refers to sex. Ed 03:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

That is also a good point. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Support selected moves. Women does go in front of nouns. A recent phenomenon is to put "female" in front instead of women, which has only been happening in the past few decades. The thing about this change is that some fields still have "women" as more common.

Here is a listing on Google Ngrams to consider the most common:

"Female editors" is more common.
"Women scientists" is more common
"Women writers" is more common
"Women lawyers" is more common
"Women academics" is more common
"Female politicians" is more common
"Women artists" is more common

An issue is that "women" applies only to adults whereas "female" is inclusive to children (girls). We had this issue on the List of female monarchs, which previously used "women monarchs" and was moved to "female".

To reply to The ed17's mention that "female" refers to sex and "women" gender, that point does not follow consensus on Women, where "female" refers to both gender and sex. —Panamitsu (talk) 03:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: As an 80-year-old Brit, my initial inclination was to use "female" as a qualifier, in both articles and categories on Misplaced Pages, but as a result of discussions with experts in the field such as SusunW I now frequently use "women" as a pseudo-adjective. For most sports though, "female" is widely used internationally and is generally more appropriate for Misplaced Pages categories, see Category:Sportswomen by sport. I would not support these being changed to "women", e.g. women baseball players. The many existing categories including "women" and "female" function well and are widely used. I strongly suggest they should be maintained.--Ipigott (talk) 07:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose: as noun modifiers are so commonplace in informal writing, formal writing, and our category tree that the rationale is wrong. If there are other reasons to prefer "female", I'd love to her them. The Ngram analysis is nice, but we shouldn't choose one form over the other if the Ngrams show that they're close and there are other reasons (e.g. consistency) to stick with the slightly less common version. I would feel differently if one form were vastly more common than the other. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Strongly Oppose: If you look at the history of women vs. female as a modifier, it dates to the 14th century. According to the Oxford English Dictionary woman first appeared as an adjective in 1382. According to Webster's Dictionary, Henry Fowler, who wrote the 1926 Dictionary of Modern English Usage, was the first scholar to insist that woman was a noun and female was an adjective. (Interestingly he argued that female suffrage was the correct term, and that women who opposed that phraseology were whiny, but the largest global organization pressing for suffrage was the International Woman Suffrage Alliance.) Journalists have varying opinions on whether woman can be a noun modifier.,,,, Scholars have also debated the question, and dictionaries disagree as well. According to "Grammar Girl" Mignon Fogarty Webster's (their article on usage indicates it's not cut and dry) and American Heritage indicate woman is a noun, Dictionary.com says woman can be used as a noun or adjective, and the Oxford English Dictionary states that woman can be used as an appositive noun. Guardian reporter Maddie York, whose personal preference is for woman to be restricted to use as a noun, states that the Chamber's Dictionary considers the usage of female and woman to be interchangeable and the Collin's Dictionary lists woman as a modifier. Given this history there is no logical reason the categories should be renamed to choose one word over another. SusunW (talk) 15:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per most/all of the various different arguments above, and the sheer hassle of catching all of them, which I don't think the nom does. Johnbod (talk) 15:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per the oppose votes above. Trying to avoid repeating the arguments. -- Rohini (talk) 16:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Per the various arguments given, things are not nearly as cut and dry as the nomination claims. It's amazing that somehow it was assumed that whoever made all these categories was unable to distinguish a noun from an adjective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Strongly oppose. Making such a change would be a prime example of trying to make language fit a rigid idea of consistency and correctness, rather than reflecting how language is actually used and understood by editors and readers. And in many cases, changing "women" to "female" would be borderline offensive, as it would abruptly draw attention to biological sex in contexts where it is not relevant. Note the difference between "She was the first woman astronaut to orbit the moon" and "Accommodating the bodies of the first female astronauts presented space suit designers with a new set of issues." Each of these sentences, I would argue, uses the best word in the context. Would support going with common usage, which is rarely consistent and often "incorrect". — scribbling woman 19:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:1910s business films

Propose merging Category:1910s business films to Category:1910s films and Category:20th-century business films

Nominator's rationale: Only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom, but only to Category:20th-century business films because the article is already in Category:1917 films. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Breaking the decades series is not helpful for navigation. Dimadick (talk) 09:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
How is this breaking the decades series? The series would just start a decade later. Mason (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Let'srun (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. It' WP:NARROWCAT and doesn't aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:1910 government budgets

Propose merging Category:1910 government budgets to Category:1910s government budgets and Category:1910 in economic history
Propose merging Category:1969 government budgets to Category:1960s government budgets and Category:1969 in economic history
Propose merging Category:1968 government budgets to Category:1960s government budgets and Category:1968 in economic history
Propose merging Category:1958 government budgets to Category:1950s government budgets and Category:1958 in economic history

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Not enough content to support diffusing this decade by year Mason (talk) 04:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge for now, without objection to recreate the categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Small categories are more useful than decade-level categories for economic topics. The budgets should also be included in Category:x year in politics categories. Dimadick (talk) 13:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The articles are already in country subcategories of Category:x year in politics. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per WP:OCYEAR. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge for Now without objection to recreation later should more articles be published per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Alpine skiing at the 1936 Winter Olympics

Propose merging Category:Men's alpine skiing at the 1936 Winter Olympics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Alpine skiing at the 1936 Winter Olympics, Category:Men's events at the 1936 Winter Olympics, and Category:Men's alpine skiing at the Winter Olympics
Propose merging Category:Women's alpine skiing at the 1936 Winter Olympics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Alpine skiing at the 1936 Winter Olympics, Category:Women's events at the 1936 Winter Olympics, Category:Women's alpine skiing at the Winter Olympics, and Category:1936 in women's alpine skiing

Nominator's rationale: There was only 1 women's and men's alpine skiing event the 1936 Winter Olympics. Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pre-14th century in sports

Propose deleting Category:Pre-14th century in sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Obvious example of WP:OCMISC. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Alt rename to Category:Medieval sports and add the 14th and 15th century as subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Support alt rename per Marco Mason (talk) 04:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Seasons in hockey

Propose merging Category:2002–03 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2002 in European sport and Category:2003 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2003–04 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2003 in European sport and Category:2004 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2004–05 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2004 in European sport and Category:2005 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2005–06 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2005 in European sport and Category:2006 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2006–07 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2006 in European sport and Category:2007 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2007–08 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2007 in European sport and Category:2008 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2008–09 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2008 in European sport and Category:2009 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2009–10 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2009 in European sport and Category:2010 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2010–11 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2010 in European sport and Category:2011 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2011–12 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2011 in European sport and Category:2012 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2012–13 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2012 in European sport and Category:2013 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2013–14 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2013 in European sport and Category:2014 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2014–15 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2014 in European sport and Category:2015 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2015–16 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2015 in European sport and Category:2016 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2016–17 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2016 in European sport and Category:2017 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2017–18 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2017 in European sport and Category:2018 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2018–19 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2018 in European sport and Category:2019 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2019–20 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2019 in European sport and Category:2020 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2020–21 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2020 in European sport and Category:2021 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2021–22 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2021 in European sport and Category:2022 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2022–23 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in European sport and Category:2023 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2023–24 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2023 in European sport and Category:2024 in European sport
Propose merging Category:2025–26 in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2025 in European sport and Category:2026 in European sport
Propose merging Category:Seasons in European hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Seasons in European sport
Propose merging Category:Seasons in hockey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Sports seasons by sport

Nominator's rationale: We don't need to categorize the intersection of seasons for ice hockey and field hockey. Not useful in any way. Merge. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories each. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Seasons in United States Virgin Islands soccer

Propose merging Category:2014–15 in United States Virgin Islands soccer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2014 in United States Virgin Islands sports and Category:2015 in United States Virgin Islands sports
Propose merging Category:2018–19 in United States Virgin Islands soccer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2018 in United States Virgin Islands sports and Category:2019 in United States Virgin Islands sports
Propose merging Category:2019–20 in United States Virgin Islands soccer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2019 in United States Virgin Islands sports and Category:2020 in United States Virgin Islands sports
Propose merging Category:2022–23 in United States Virgin Islands soccer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in United States Virgin Islands sports and Category:2023 in United States Virgin Islands sports
Propose deleting Category:Seasons in United States Virgin Islands soccer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Merge/delete. The lone articles are already in the parent trees, so an additional merge is unnecessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Mesoamerican music

Propose merging Category:Mesoamerican music to Category:Mesoamerican art

Nominator's rationale: Only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 01:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I doubt that the category is useful, and would not mind deleting it. But Category:Mesoamerican art is part of a category tree for visual arts. Music is not a visual medium. Dimadick (talk) 13:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge as nom. Category:Mesoamerican art is defined as "the artistic expression documented for Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican cultures and civilizations" and already includes Maya dance. The term of art is inherently ambiguous between visual arts stricto sensu and art at large. Place Clichy (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Very Strong Oppose per Dimadick. We have a very long-standing, useful and necessary convention that in category names "art" means visual art. Place Clichy, we absolutely should not screw that up, or there will be chaos, with hundreds if not thousands of nominations. Instead we should do as we do everywhere else, and set up Category:Mesoamerican arts (or similar title, but with "arts"), with a visual art sub-cat, & the dance and music, plus no doubt other stuff. Marcocapelle, with all your experience, I'm slightly amazed and horrified you didn't pick up on this. Johnbod (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

You are right, we have this convention about art and arts in category names. I oversaw it because Category:Mesoamerican art is currently a parent category. Then instead merge to Category:Mesoamerican society or Category:Mesoamerica. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Comments on the merge target would be appreciated!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Smasongarrison, Place Clichy, Dimadick, and Johnbod: could you please comment on my later alternative proposal? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's a viable solution, but I still somewhat prefer setting up Category:Arts in Mesoamerica (that is the convention), with art as a sub-cat, and dance, music and maybe fashion etc in it. Category:Arts by period would be a parent. I must admit though that the "arts" tree gets a bit ragged dealing with older cultures. For example, there is no Category:Arts in ancient Rome, though really there should be. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I have moved Maya music to the correct category, and it now has at least one member that belongs there. It's part of the established categorization scheme at Category:Central American music and isn't extraneous. If anything it should be merged there if it does get merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I like Johnbod's suggestion of a merge target/rename target. Mason (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
"Art" vs "Arts" is going to cause no small amount of confusion. If it's going to be merged somewhere, it should be both Category:Mesoamerican society and Category:Central American music. However, I oppose a merge. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Charities based in Romania

Propose merging Category:Charities based in Romania to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Romania

Nominator's rationale: 1 entry as per WP:SMALLCAT. Suggest merge with parent. LibStar (talk) 00:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Dual merge, also to Category:Charities based in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Seasons in Cook Islands football

Propose merging Category:2019 in Cook Islands football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2019 in Cook Islands sport
Propose deleting Category:Seasons in Cook Islands football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Merge/delete. The lone articles are already in the parent trees, so an additional merge is unnecessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Seasons in Guinean football

Propose merging Category:2018–19 in Guinean football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2018 in Guinean sport and Category:2019 in Guinean sport
Propose deleting Category:Seasons in Guinean football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Merge/delete. The lone articles are already in the parent trees, so an additional merge is unnecessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)