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PTI is not a number one in election and in government they have been collaborate with the MQM, Muslim league awaami, BAP and some other. Either wise PML N is in second number and TLP in third place. please edit the site thanks 117.102.63.38 (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

They are the largest party in terms of previous votes, membership, and opinion polling. There should be some mention of it in the beginning. 2407:AA80:314:8737:5D52:5ACA:79B7:D509 (talk) 10:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Addition of Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling

Roshan Pakistan conducts regular opinion polls and updates the results on Twitter. They have a Wordpress website, but it is yet to be updated. I think they are of sufficient credibility to add to this page, as their polling has been the most accurate, they are constantly quoted by Pakistani media, and have even been quoted by Bloomberg (https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/silent-coup-imran-khan-snubbed-as-pakistan-army-chief-takes-charge-to-revive-flagging-economy/1726302/). They also featured in Gallup Pakistan's Poll of Polls before last year's general election (https://twitter.com/RPOpinionPoll/status/1021772886099587073). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.59.31.158 (talk) 10:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Update Article to reflect current Scenario

@GeoffreyT2000: :@Masterpha:I suggest the article be updated with how things stand at the moment i.e Dissolution of the National Assembly as several prominent sources are available. etc. A current event tag can be added to show information may rapidly change. Jibran1998 (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Politically motivated cases against imran khan by the establishment and coallation parties.

everything from ousting imran khan to 9th may riots, are actions directed towards removing khan from the political canvas, including an assasination attack. 2407:AA80:126:C770:F851:2A30:CE34:E8EC (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Rai Ali Hassan (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Add a new party called Istehkam-e-Pakistan party in the infobox related to PM candidates and seat tally. Also associate Jehangir Tareen's name and photo with the party. He is heading one of the major parties in the elections and is expected to be the PM candidate as per Aleem Khan (senior IPP member).

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Add information

There are high chances of the elections being delayed. This info should be included 3catsmumu (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Page move

@Masterpha: Where is the consensus for your unilateral page move? I propose the page be moved to Next Pakistani general election and let's wait until an election date or schedule is officially announced. ECP stating it's inability to hold elections this year doesn't automatically mean that the elections are going be to held in 2024. Please go through WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL. Pirate of the High Seas (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure маsтегрнатаLк 09:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

2024 Pakistan General Election

The title of this page is incorrect. It should still stand as 2023 Pakistan General Election.

As per the constitution of Pakistan which is the ultimate law of the land, general elections must be held within 90 day of dissolution of early assemblies. Here is the reference: https://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part8.ch2.html

A new Supreme Court Chief Justice will be taking over on September 17th, 2023 who will issue a ruling in this matter. Rangefinderaddict (talk) 22:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Misleading Title - Equivalent to Brainwashing Masses and Rigging

The title of the page should have been 2023 General Elections and not 2024 General Elections. Why? Because as per the Constitution of Pakistan Article 48 (5) (which is governing law of the state)

"Where the President dissolves the National Assembly, notwithstanding anything contained in clause (1), he shall,— (a) appoint a date, not later than ninety days from the date of the dissolution, for the holding of a general election to the Assembly"

Now that National Assembly is dissolved already on 10th August, The elections must be held within 90 days i.e. not later than 10th November 2023. DarkSecretz (talk) 06:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Date

@Dirceu Mag: Supreme Court have ordered elections within 90 days from 24/10. Panam2014 (talk) 20:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Panam2014 They have not made such an order. The most recent update is that they have sought input from the ECP and the government on the matter.

Link: Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 01:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

crackdown on pti

why deep state is cracking down on the most popular party of pakistan. Thepakiboy (talk) 10:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is the leader? (2)

Please have a look on the PML-N Wiki page and on PML-N official website. These articles can help you clarify the distinctions. The Lider of this Party, the President of this Party and the Chairman of this same Party is not the same person, they are 3 individuals. 109.144.30.102 (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User_talk:SheriffIsInTown#c-193.117.132.123-20231220101700-Who_is_the_leader? 109.144.30.102 (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is the leader? (3)

Two edictors are, aggressively, imposing the caretaker Chairman of PTI as the Leader of the Party, instead of Imran Khan. The same concept is not applied to Nawaz Sharif, that they accept as the leader of the PML-N , a party that has different Individuals in role such as 'Chairmam' and 'President', both of them below Nawaz in the official website and on the specific Misplaced Pages page. This is blatantly a kind of mindless edit war. 109.144.30.102 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC) I wrote a letter for one of them to no avail.

Who is the leader? (3)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Talk:2024_Pakistani_general_election#/editor/13 109.144.30.102 (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown @Wallu2 Could the IP user you’re currently dealing with perhaps be @Dirceu Mag?

I say this because both them and the IP user misspell edit the same way (i.e. as "edict"), both leave massive walls of text defending their action, and Dirceu Mag was banned for leaving unconstructive edits on this page and Opinion polling for the 2024 Pakistani general election (on which the IP user is also leaving unconstructive edits).

I don’t know how to confirm this suspicion but surely, a banned user making edits would be a violation of Misplaced Pages's rules.

Please let me know your thoughts! Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It is obviously Dirceu Mag and I have blocked them, will revert their edits and protect the article. Number 57 23:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

If you have time, you also look at the IP user who left the most recent comment on this talk page. They have the same IP pattern as the IP user here. Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Obviously the same editor, but hasn't edited from that IP for a couple of days so I won't block yet. If you spot them again, let me know. Cheers, Number 57 23:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Gohar Ali Khan

@Abdul Salam Haldar, Muzzzmuzzmuzzz, Aréat, and Number 57:

Hi Do you have a source about the fact Gohar Ali Khan is restaured as chairman? Sources said that only electoral symbol have been retaken by PTI until end of winter holidays. Panam2014 (talk) 17:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

The PHC has suspended the whole order of the ECP, which included declaring the party’s intraparty elections unconstitutional and removing all the elected office bearers. Consequently, after this order being suspended, all the previous office bearers are back to their elected positions.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1800848/peshawar-high-court-suspends-ecp-order-stripping-ptis-bat-symbol Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown: Panam2014 (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

So who is the PTI leader

I feel like PTI should be mentioned in this article(as it is the largest party in Pakistan)along with Imran Khan as the leader 39.37.2.169 (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

“The two major parties are PMLN and PPP”

this statement is misleading as the largest political party in Pakistan (PTI) will also be contesting the election. 148.252.157.192 (talk) 14:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Should be something like "The two major parties are PMLN and PPP, with PTI candidates competing as independents" Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 23:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Removing PTI from the election map

I would just like to take the advice of other editors here about whether I should remove the PTI from the election maps (i.e. for the GEs and all the provincial elections).

I’ve already removed them from now but was considering adding back the row for the PTI with a note saying "Officially vying as independent candidates". What are people's thoughts about this?

@Saad Ali Khan Pakistan @Wallu2 @SheriffIsInTown @RaiHassan12 Feel free to ping any more users! Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

We cannot remove PTI from election map because it is a major party. In 1990 Pakistani general election MQM also ran as independents and their panel name was Haq prast group. It should be added as PTI but a not should be added with them saying running as independents because of supreme court and ecp case Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 09:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with Saad, let see what unfolds in 2024 elections.Wallu2 (talk) 11:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. I’ll add them back to the maps today! Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 12:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a very serious objection to adding PTI back in elections boxes just because one editor thinks that they are a major party. They became a major party because elections were rigged in their favor in 2018. Moreover, we should be only adding parties which are participating in the elections as a party, it does not matter whether they are barred by ECP or SCP, the fact is they are effectively barred. Some people might think they are wrongly barred, some might think they are rightfully barred but they are barred and not contesting the elections as a party. We do not right any wrongs on Misplaced Pages neither we carry out political agendas but adding them to election boxes while they are not participating as a party would be akin to carrying out their political agenda and would be false information. Their first chairman Imran Khan is no longer chairman due to ECP verdict and second chairman’s election is declared null and void, another question would be who would be added as their party leader. This all happened because of their wrong decisions then why should we right their wrongs here. Pinging few chosen editors out of whom you think majority will agree with you does not constitute consensus. Pinging @Number 57 for a neutral perspective. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, no need to be so combative! I’ll hold back on editing the maps for now until Number 57 responds. Also, there was a reason I said feel free to ping any more editors; it was so that we could get more perspectives.

Just an aside: try to avoid remarks such as "election were rigged in favour in 2018" or "this all happened because of wrong decisions" that have somewhat of a partisan flavour to them and are not objective statements. Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 16:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

What do you refer to specifically by "maps"? Kindly clarify to avoid any confusion. Regarding the perceived combativeness, I didn't intend that; it was merely a disagreement on my part. My response encompassed both your input and a note from another editor on your talk page, not exclusively directed at you. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

The concept of parliamentary party no longer applies to PTI after yesterday's controversial verdict by the Supreme Court. Therefore, the only true representation of their winning/losing candidates is "Independent". That is the characterization that the election commission would use and should be the one followed on Wiki as they are the authority on the matter. - Wiki.0hlic 17:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

PTI should be added in election box because it is the largest party of Pakistan and has representation in all provinces of the country. In 2018 Senate Election Because of Disqualification of Nawaz Sharif PMLN candidates were declared as independents but still they are shown as members of PMLN. PTI should be added in the election box and a short notw should be written which says "Running as Independents". Even in News channels candidates are shown as members of PTI. no one calls them independent Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

You have some valid points; however the senate election was an indirect one whereby existing PMLN members in NA and PAs elected their senators. However, if ECP notified them as independent candidates, that page needs to be updated. As someone who worked on that page extensively, I appreciate your input. I also support your idea of a footnote/further elaboration on the matter of PTI-backed independents if a sizeable majority of them win - enough to feature in the electoral box. Sanitization of PTI from the election's Wiki article and associated constituency pages will go against WP:NPOV for not being a complete representation of facts. Wiki.0hlic 10:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

This argument is baseless; if the 2018 Senate election results differ from the official designation of members, we should rectify it. In elections, we typically adhere to official designations to avoid creating a false narrative. Pakistan's largest court ruled against them, and the ECP declared their candidates as independents. Representing them differently on Misplaced Pages simply because some of us support them is unwarranted. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

PTI is still an existing party and it is not abolished to be a party. Candidates might be "running as independents" but they have support of PTI and its voters. It is supported by majority of the people. Election page is showing like there is no PTI in election race which is totally wrong. If PTI would be added along with a small note "Running as independents" that would look more realistic and to the point. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No, that is not the fact, the way you state it. The fact is that PTI is not abolished but it is also a fact that PTI has no candidates running in the elections. So, if a party has no candidates running, why it should be added, no matter what people claim that how big that party is. An independent candidate is an independent candidate, they do not belong to any party. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

PTI members are running as PTI backed Independents due to ruling given by Supreme court and ECP against PTI. although they are independents but they are supported by PTI. In 1988 and 1990 elections MQM (a regional party) ran as Independent candidates but they are shown as MQM and Haq prast group and also in 2018 senate elections PML(N) candidates ran as independent candidates but they are shown as PML(N) due to Nawaz Sharif cases in Supreme court in but at the same time a major party and largest party of Pakistan PTI which has support ase in all across the country is not shown in election box. Even in the news they are not called "independents" but PTI backed Independents which makes hem different from other independents Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Even if PTI backed Independents join another party in future but they will still be shown as PTI backed Independents in election results because they received PTI's support. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

It’s unfair Imran Khan And PTI is not visible on front content 86.19.120.181 (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Opinion Poll

Opinion Poll looks biased and one sided story taken from one single source. Need either more resources or should be removed. Thanks Mani 03:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. There are definite issues with it as per WP:NPOV.Wiki.0hlic 23:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Postponement on two seats

Elections have been postponed by the returning officers in NA-83 Sargodha-II and NA-85 Sargodha-IV due to the death of an independent candidate who was contesting on both seats.

Should we add a note to the seats for election parameter in the infobox saying so? Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 20:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The case for postponement is still under review Rai Ali Hassan (talk) 09:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding Candidate list

Shoud a table listing candidates of all constituencies with their party be added to this page in which the votes bagged and the margin of victory can also be added after election, what do you guys say?

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PTI Leader Imran Khan is contesting with its contestants who are identified as independent Candidates. Kaleemsheikh.kays (talk) 04:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The information is not factual. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Untitled

How can you not mention PTI of imran khan as one of the contestants in election 2024. It's the biggest political party of Pakistan which gained the highest number of seat and largest proportion of votes in 2018 elections?

And there is no mention about it in the beginning. That's absurd and is a big question mark on the credibility of Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.236.56 (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

You can’t just make up an undead party that has been banned by the state from running and whose candidates are running as independents who don’t even have a coherent party symbol. Stop concocting aspersions out of your personal opinions. Borgenland (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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Barrister Gohar Ali Khan is running for Pm from PTI Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf 109.255.6.133 (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Factual issues, there is no one running from PTI. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Add imran khan or pti leader plss

plssBold 31.156.206.24 (talk) 10:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

The PTI has been banned and there is no such thing as a PTI Independent party. Borgenland (talk) 00:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I am NOT a PTI supporter.

However, this is a nonsensical assertion. Misplaced Pages is supposed to use reliable secondary sources. EVERY single reliable secondary source lists "PTI backed independants" as their own "group" (I'm not using the word party to avoid the irrelevant legalese on whether they are a party). And it is now a mathematical certainty that group will be the largest group in the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/asia/pakistan-election-nawaz-sharif-intl/index.html

https://www.dawn.com/

https://tribune.com.pk/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/9/pti-linked-independents-take-pakistan-election-lead-as-counting-nears-e Kas1234567 (talk) 04:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Add imran khan or gohar Ali khan

Like in top 3 candidate add 4th gohar Ali khan or imran khan, in party there is pti(ind) or indipendent plsss add pls 31.156.206.24 (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

PTI is not running in this election. It has been barred by the court Haris920 (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Add PTI's Barrister Gohar Ali Khan in 1st image and move Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman to 4th

I said 1st,since PTI is the largest party and they got the most seats in the previous elections DrWineBerry (talk) 10:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

PTI is not running in this election. Haris920 (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes,but there are pti-backed candidates.Which should be mentioned in the infobox DrWineBerry (talk) 09:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

What you just said is blatantly wrong and you are misinformed. PTI is contesting the election but it's candidates are independants. The Party was not 'barred' they were not allotted their electoral symbol.

And facts on the ground have shown that PTI backed candidates have won the most seats in the Center, a super majority in KPK, and a 100+ seats in Punjab. 39.48.104.10 (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

PTI 103.82.123.35 (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Add PPPP and Asif ali Zardari remove ppp and bilawal bhutto

Because Asif Zardari pppp

runs election not bilawal ppp 202.165.250.113 (talk) 10:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Should PTI be included in the Infobox

2024 Pakistani general election

← 2018 8 February 2024 2029 →
All 336 seats in the National Assembly 169 seats needed for a majority
Opinion polls
Registered	128,585,760
PTI Leader None Nawaz Sharif Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Party Independent (PTI) PML(N) PPP Leader's seat Lahore-XIV (running) Larkana-I Last election 31.82%, 149 seats 24.35%, 82 seats 13.03%, 54 seats Seats needed 23 87 115
Map of Pakistan with National Assembly constituencies
Incumbent Caretaker Prime Minister Anwaar ul Haq Kakar Independent

This election faces unique circumstances. The nominally independent, PTI candidates have nonetheless campaigned as such (evident by their use of the portrait of former PM Imran Khan for example). PTI is still de facto a participating party. Not to include PTI in the infobox is, in my opinion, misleading. It gives the false impression of PMLN being victorious. 沁水湾 (talk) 18:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mmmmmhzhz @War Wounded 沁水湾 (talk) 18:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

All Media channels in Pakistan have a separate Candidate box for Independent Candidates affiliated with PTI. Additionally, the PTI has officially backed these Independent candidates. Though, yes, officially PTI has not run these elections, it would be unfair to disregard them as just Independents, especially since they have continuously shown the be one of the 3 major parties. Mmmmmhzhz (talk) 23:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

That is just your word and I can reject your word with my word. I have watched all channels, no media channel is showing a separate box for PTI candidates. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Al Jazeera is 2A00:23C5:11E:F901:11C:59BB:3588:130A (talk) 20:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Geo News has put PTI independents as separate, not only that if the map itself in the infobox has put PTI Independents as separate then so should the infobox. Titan2456 (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Answer the basic question. Do the ballots contain symbols or labels explicitly stating that they are part of the PTI? Otherwise, this proposal would be equivalent to concocting false election results that do not match what official tallies come out and contradict what is actually on the historical record in which we as editors base our judgments on, not WP:OR and opinions. Borgenland (talk) 18:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, this proposal appears to be based on a WP:OR assumption that every candidate listed as Independent on the ballot is automatically a member of the PTI. Borgenland (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

There isn't an automatic assumption that any independent candidate is a PTI member. IMO, Each elected independent MP must be examined on a case-by-case basis. 沁水湾 (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland: There is no indication on the ballot or official candidate listing, and this distinction won't be included in the official notification of results, clarifying who is solely an independent member and who is a PTI-backed candidate. To list them as PTI or PTI-backed would purely be speculation, violating Misplaced Pages's policy against original research WP:OR and compromising the encyclopedia's integrity. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not OR.

Here's the info box for Pakistan's largest newspaper:

https://www.dawn.com/

Here's the info box for the second largest english newspaper: https://tribune.com.pk/

Here's an AlJazeera article: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/9/pti-linked-independents-take-pakistan-election-lead-as-counting-nears-end

Here's a CNN article: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/asia/pakistan-election-nawaz-sharif-intl/index.html

Here's a BBC article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68257232

WP:Reliability requires using reliable secondary sources - and every secondary source list these candidates as "PTI-backed" or "PTI-linked". 131.239.126.251 (talk) 15:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

If the map already shows PTI independents as separate in red, then so should the candidates in the infobox. Titan2456 (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I think there shouldn’t be a leader but independent (PTI) should be there with their results Alexanderkowal (talk) 16:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, there's an abundance of sources (both Pakistani as well international) explicitly identifying independent candidates backed by PTI as such. Therefore, we should accurately describe them as indicated by independent, reliable sources, rather than conforming to the preferences of the Pakistani government. And they clearly identify Imran Khan as their leader. --Saqib (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I’ve seen your good work on the Ishaq Dar article, there is a section of the article that requires expansion, I thought I should inform you of this. Titan2456 (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I wish I could work on it. On a funny note, I'm finding it uninterested in working on that biography, especially since the person in question has contributed to damaging Pakistan's economy. --Saqib (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Titan2456 (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

This falls under the category of original research. You need to cite sources confirming that each winning independent candidate identifies Imran Khan as their leader. Simply assuming that every independent identifies Imran Khan as their leader without proper sourcing would constitute original research. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Kindly care to check-out some sources instead of crying everything is OR. --Saqib (talk) 16:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I checked the sources, I did not find a single source stating that all 102 independents identify Imran Khan as their leader. Do you want to bring 102 sources, one for each independent confirming that each independent identifies Imran Khan as their leader? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

That’s a straw man, nobody’s saying all independents are PTI affiliated. There are many reliable sources which group independent (PTI), we should use their data Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I find it amusing that you cannot read the number of PTI-backed independent candidates are 93. --Saqib (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you but can you not be so passive aggressive, there’s no need, assume good faith and target the points made Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The same thing applies for the map provided in the infobox, the Independent candidates are listed as IND (PTI) Titan2456 (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

If the map says there are PTI-backed candidates then so should the candidates list in the infobox, it is contradictory to have a map saying something different and the infobox saying something different. Titan2456 (talk) 17:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

In the interest of reaching a consensus, who disagrees with this statement? Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Map is wrong, it should be removed, not the other way around. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Please substantiate that claim Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

? Titan2456 (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown, explain please. Also, this is currently being discussed for posting ITN, & I recommend updating the infobox before it is on the main page. --Saqib (talk) 18:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. As I stated we are dealing with very unique circumstances here. A major party was blocked from using its symbols. But its candidates are nonetheless sticking with their party and campaigning as such. This is a reflection of reality in the ground, far from WP:OR.

Infoboxes should give readers an at-glance understanding of the election result. As much as the flaws, not including political group that won a majority of seat here would be massively misleading. What do you propose instead to aleviate this issue? I’d be eager to await your response. 沁水湾 (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It is more misleading for us editors to usurp the ECP and make a fake set of results listing the PTI when they have not explicitly appeared on the ballot. Therefore, the PTI should remain crossed out. Borgenland (talk) 18:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

and at this stage you are already assuming that the majority of independents affiliated with the PTI had won, which seemingly contradicts your proposal to review the independents case by case in your other reply. Borgenland (talk) 18:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

“and at this stage you are already assuming that the majority of independents affiliated with the PTI had won” I never said that. Again, instead of deflecting the question, what do you propose to more accurately display the result in the info box. It’s the uneasy question we must answer sooner or later.沁水湾 (talk) 18:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

You cannot strictly speaking lump a bunch of independents into one group because they have their own affiliations and don’t strictly share the same party. Borgenland (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Cross out the PTI and Imran Khan and put an others section in its place and leave a footnote instead to explain what is indeed the legal oddity that exists in Pakistan right now. Borgenland (talk) 18:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, these is not a bunch of random independents. You can, in most districts, clearly tell who are the PTI candidates and who are the genuine nonpartisans. Not all elections have formal party symbols. Some elections don’t include formal party groupings in the official result tally. This is the only reason for more rigorous examinations. If the de facto majority-winning political group is nothing more than a footnote, the info box is IMO as good as useless. 沁水湾 (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, the ability to correctly guess which candidate is PTI linked takes a back seat to what the official records say, in that there is no PTI in this election. As much as you’d think such clarity is useless, it would be a greater disservice for us to be reinventing the election results on the infobox. Borgenland (talk) 19:07, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Looks like none of us is convincing each other any time soon. Maybe putting it to a vote is the only way forward. 沁水湾 (talk) 19:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/9/pakistan-election-2024-live-results 2A00:23C5:11E:F901:11C:59BB:3588:130A (talk) 20:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from making changes to the infobox based on personal preferences or opinions. It's crucial to adhere to Pakistan's election law, which permits independent candidates to join any party within three days of the official announcement of results. Failure to do so will result in their permanent classification as independent members of the National/Provincial Assembly.

I suggest waiting for the official results and leaving this matter to the Election Commission of Pakistan. War Wounded (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

What about including all independent, PTI or otherwise, in the infobox all together behind PMLN & PPP? 沁水湾 (talk) 19:03, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

At this moment, our only course of action is to wait, as we lack official results. It's important to note that not all independent candidates are affiliated or backed by PTI. It would be misleading to imply that all independent candidates are affiliated with PTI. War Wounded (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Majority of Independents are backed by PTI and very few about 2 or 3 are real Independent politicians not backed by any party. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 19:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

PTI should be added in election box as it is currently leading in most of the constituencies of the country. even in News channels they are shown as separate from other independents. In some seats like in Narowal former PMLN candidate Daniyal Aziz is running as Independent which is not part of PTI. PTI backed Independents being a major party should be added in election box as Independents in PTI color like in the template above. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 19:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

The PTI-IND should be added as they are running as independents, and are likely to set a SIGNIFICANT weight on the future electoral results. Not adding them would be very misleading to the public as they are currently set to win a plurality of constituencies. VosleCap (talk) 19:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Not adding them would mean literal obstructionism and a false narrative due to the lack of important details VosleCap (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It would be mentioned in the article Haris920 (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes It should be added because PTI lead Independents are leading in more than 100 seats of the country. Currently ECP has announced that it will announce results. All results from polling stations has been stopped. Lets see what happens Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not in favor of including PTI in the infobox because doing that would be against the facts on paper. I am in favor of including Independents in the infobox per their position as long as all independents are counted together regardless of their unofficial position without leader or party color of PTI. Additionally, it's important to note that consensus isn't merely about the number of editors supporting one option over another. Your opinion carries weight only when backed by logical reasoning and factual evidence, rather than simply being an expression of personal preference. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It is about showing real and neutral results. PTI backed Independents are leading because of votes received by voters on the name of PTI. They are different from other Independents because they got party tickets from PTI prior to the decision by ECP and SC. Not showing PTI in election box is against the real facts. Not showing PTI backed Independents in this article is against neutrality. It is not about personal preference but showing real and neutral data to the World. In 2018 Senate Elections PMLN candidates ran as Independents but they are shown as PMLN candidates in the results with a note saying ran officially as Independents. Even in 1988 Elections MQM ran as Independents but they are shown as Haq Prast group in election results. If 2nd largest party and a regional party is shown than largest party PTI also has right to be shown in election box with a note saying "Running as Independents". Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

The actual situation is that PTI failed to conduct their intra-party elections as required, resulting in their candidates being declared independent. Once labeled independent, they are officially categorized as such, regardless of any unofficial claims. Depicting them as PTI candidates on Misplaced Pages would contradict the documented facts and their official status. It wouldn't align with how they'll be officially recognized in the Election Commission of Pakistan's results notification. While the ECP will classify them as independent, a Misplaced Pages editor might assert they are PTI candidates. However, an encyclopedia should accurately reflect facts, not the subjective interpretations of editors. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It is not appropriate to add independent candidates to the infobox, as IND's are required to join a party within a specified timeframe, as per election rules. Given PTI's current status as a non-functional party, its WP:TOSOON and uncertain to determine whether PTI backed candidates will join with other parties or remain independent.

Furthermore, the article already addresses multiple instances of PTI-backed candidates contesting as independents. War Wounded (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment If reliable sources give consistent figures on the number of votes received/seats won by PTI independents, then I think they should be included. However, if sources do not give consistent figures on who is or is not a PTI independent, then I don't think it should be included as it is not clear cut enough. Separately, the comment above that we should "adhere to Pakistan's election law, which permits independent candidates to join any party within three days of the official announcement of results" is not how Misplaced Pages works. The results are presented on the basis of how candidates ran in the election, not whether they defected to another party shortly afterwards (the 2018 Pakistani general election lists the results as they were, not including the independents who joined the PTI after the election). Number 57 21:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  Situation of 2018 was different from 2024. PTI had its election symbol in 2018 but in 2024 Its election symbol was taken back just few days before election. Candidates who received PTI tickets became "PTI backed Independents" after that ruling. See complete information of PTI ticketholders runing as independents In these elections PTI backed Independents received votes and support of PTI voters. They are De-facto PTI candidates running as Independents which are even shown as PTI-backed Independents and shown different from other Independents. Currently they are leading in majority of the seats across the country. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure of your point (?), but just to confirm that I am aware of what happened with the PTI in this election. Number 57 22:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  The Infobox deceives any person unaware of the state of the election, It appears that Fazl-ur-rehman is one of the dominating 3, when in reality is the 4th likeliest candidate. An image of Gohar Ali Khan with Independent (PTI affiliate) should be added. Titan2456 (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  See (Geo)and (ARY) news channels. PTI backed Independents are shown in Red on Geo's map and other independents are shown in grey. They are also differentiating them from other independents by saying "PTI-backed Independents" Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  The representation of candidates by ARY or GEO holds no significance. The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) is the ultimate authority on elections in Pakistan, and until they officially endorse the results, they hold no validity. What do you suppose the ECP's official notification would designate those candidates as: PTI, PTI-backed independents, or Independents? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  The De-facto situation is that they are sponsored by PTI. Titan2456 (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  We are supposed to prioritize facto situation over de-facto. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  No we’re supposed to mirror reliable sources and many reliable sources have PTI (affiliated) as a grouping in their coverage. 2A00:23C5:11E:F901:11C:59BB:3588:130A (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Not including the PTI picture in the infobox will make it seem as these are just random unrelated independents running, which is not the case. Titan2456 (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, we should include PTI-supported independent candidates as a separate group, since secondary sources categorize these independents distinctively and we should follow WP:DUE. One of the largest agency, Reuters, described this lead as "Imran Khan's supporters lead", one of the largest Indian newspaper The Hindu described it as Independent candidates backed by ex-PM Imran Khan’s party lead, NY Times described it as Pakistan Is Stunned as Early Election Results Look Like a Real Race, Indian Express described it as Imran Khan’s party-backed independent candidates lead in Pakistan elections, ABC News described it as Independent candidates backed by ex-PM Khan's party lead as Pakistan announces election result, Hindustan Times described it as Independent candidates backed by jailed Imran Khan's PTI claim to 'win' the general elections, Deccan Herald described it as PTI-backed candidates spring surprise. Courtesy ping to Number 57 for their thoughts. I think the consensus among editors here and independent secondary sources is clear. ECP official report is a primary source and we should not give it unnecessary weight. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Borgenland, could you please review the coverage and accordingly share your thoughts again. Thanks. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  I support your suggestion. PTI backed Independents should be added as a separate group. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  The largest English-language newspaper of Pakistan, Dawn, categorizes them as a distinct group on its website, see dawn.com, where the term "PTI-backed candidates" is used. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'm inclined to include them. But only after the final results have been released and with necessary explanatory footnotes to explain why. And only once it is determined which of the candidates are plain independent and which are PTI-affiliates. Borgenland (talk) 11:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, a footnote is necessary. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  And we should replicate that on provincial election articles as well. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes PTI backed Independents have already won more than 75% of the provincial assembly seats in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and also leading in many seats of Punjab as well. we should as them as "PTI-backed Independents" in that list as well Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, "PTI-supported independents" or "PTI-backed independents" is fine. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 11:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  WP serves as a platform for factual information rather than being a mouthpiece for Pakistan. Our content should reflect the information provided by independent, reliable sources. And as @Number 57 and some others suggested it's appropriate to categorize independent candidates affiliated with PTI as PTI- backed candidates, as their independence does not alter their association. Saqib (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  PTI backed Independents should be categorized separately from other Independents. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 18:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Let us take a hypothetical example of ARY reporting a candidate winning an election but ECP ratifying another candidate winning, who would be correct? Same example will apply here, election results, candidate listing etc should follow official designations. Even if we use an unofficial source, then we need to make sure that we are following the majority of sources. We cannot just follow one unofficial source which is categorizing them as PTI backed candidates over ten sources which are simply categorizing them as independents. Doing this would be WP:FRINGE. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  PTI backed Independents will be added by tallying from PTI ticket holders list, Valid news sources and Form-47 of the ECP. PTI backed Independents are Ticket holders of PTI. Real Independents which are not backed by PTI will be classified as Independents. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Should the provisional results by party not also group PTI affiliated candidates differently? Alexanderkowal (talk) 22:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should add Independent-PTI with its color as proposed because it seem to me that it will be impossible to have detailled results in terms of votes for specifically PTI independent, backed by sources. Official sources back all the results of independents together. On the other hand, I think we could at least let go of the wiki custom of the independents line being at the bottom of the table. Considering the special context, I think we should place it like the others, ordered by votes. This way it will alleviate some of the concern that it would look misleading to have PML(N) at the top of the table as if it won, which isn't what the sources are saying.--Aréat (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

At present, I am not in favor of any inclusion, as the situation is still unclear. Not all independent candidates are necessarily supported by PTI. According to some reports, more than 30% of successful independent candidates have no affiliation with PTI. For instance, in NA-54, a PML-N worker Aqeel Malik did not receive a party ticket but still won the election as an independent candidate. Furthermore, the status of independent candidates remains uncertain. War Wounded (talk) 03:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The fact still remains that there are PTI affiliates present expected to be out of one of the major 3 candidates, therefore it must be added to the infobox. Titan2456 (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes all Independents are not PTI backed. I want to add results of each constituency by tallying them from PTI ticket holders list,Form 47 issued by ECP and valid news sources. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 06:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Same for Dawn. For infobox proposal. Panam2014 (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I think no need now because MWM has announced unconditional support of PTI so most probably PTI backed candidates may join MWM in next 48-72 hours a/c to ECP's deadline.. In this sense, be ready to add MWM as majority party then beside PML-N in infobox of this article excluding MQM-P simultaneously. Wallu2 (talk) 16:11, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.nation.com.pk/10-Feb-2024/pti-to-form-alliance-with-mwm-barrister-gohar
2. https://humnews.pk/breaking/majlis-e-wahdatul-muslimeen-pledges-unwavering-support-to-imran-khan/

Symbols

Is there a publicly available set of party symbols we could add to this page for educational purposes? Borgenland (talk) 01:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we do have on ECPs website. See under List of Contesting Candidates (Form-33). Saqib (talk) 18:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Expect lots of changes in seats after the final results

Already many independents who lost have alleged that they were leading in their constituency, but when the form 47 was issued they were declared to have lost.So yeah these cases will be dragged in courts for a while and will probably result in many seat changes DrWineBerry (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Constituency tables

Currently building a constituency table. Appreciate any faster hands who can collaborate for all 266 seats. Borgenland (talk) 08:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll start working on it Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm currently stuck in Punjab right now. Didn't realize immediately that they had the bulk of the seats. Borgenland (talk) 11:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on it. I think it would be more interesting to have the first column be the 2019 winner and the second the 2024 winner, though, to show which constituencies seats changed party. It's what is usually done one on FFTP election pages.--Aréat (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I copied the template from the 2018 election. Will leave such revisions to other more experienced editors since it's actually my first time making an electoral table like this. Also, it appears that they lopped off around six seats from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa this election. Borgenland (talk) 17:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

where is constituency wise result table? It is not there now. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 06:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

See also: List of members of the 16th National Assembly of Pakistan. Borgenland (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

There should be List of winners and runner ups by constituency. It will show the turnout, vote share and percentage of winner and runner up of each constituency. It should be there in results. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 07:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

There was a short discussion in that page. I advise making your case to the editors there. Borgenland (talk) 08:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, table is necessary because it gives us basic overview of winner and runner up candidates, their parties, vote share and turnout of constituencies they represent. I started working of Balochistan constituencies winner and runner up list as of Form-47 issued by the ECP Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 08:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Google changed its doodle on the occasion of election in Pakistan

گوگل نے پاکستان میں الیکشن کے موقع پر اپنا ڈوڈل تبدیل کردیا

اردو انٹرنیشنل (مانیٹرنگ ڈیسک ) ے مطابق گوگل نے پاکستان میں الیکشن کے موقع پر اپنا ڈوڈل تبدیل کردیا ہے، 8 فروری کی مناسبت سے گوگل نے منفرد لوگو ڈیزائن کیا ہے.

ٹیکنالوجی کمپنی گوگل رواں برس پاکستان میں ہونے والے الیکشن سے ناصرف باخبر ہے بلکہ لوگوں کو بھی منفرد ڈوڈل دکھا کر ووٹ کاسٹ کرنے کی جانب راغب کررہا ہے.دنیا کے بڑے ممالک میں الکیشنز کے موقع پر اپنا ڈوڈل تبدیل کرنے کی روایت کو برقرار رکھتے ہوئے گوگل نے پاکستان میں ہونے والے الیکشن کے لئے بھی منفرد ڈوڈل پیش کیا ہے۔

گوگل ڈوڈل میں بیلٹ باکس دکھایا گیا ہے اور اس بکس پر پاکستانی قومی پرچم کے سبز اور سفید رنگ کو استعمال کیا گیا ہے۔اور اس پر ووٹ کی پرچی کو بھی واضح دکھایا گیا ہے.

واضح رہے کہ جمعرات کے روز پاکستان بھر میں عام انتخابات ہوررہے ہیں اور ملک بھر میں 12کروڑ 79لاکھ ووٹرز اپنے حق رائے دہی کا استعمال کریں گے.

مجموعی طور پر قومی اور صوبائی اسمبلی کی 855 نشستوں پر ملک بھر میں 17 ہزار 758 امیدوار میدان میں ہیں جن میں ووٹرز اپنے نمائندوں کا انتخاب کریں گے۔

الیکشن کمیشن آف پاکستان کے مطابق عام انتخابات کے لیے ووٹنگ کے عمل کا آغاز آج صبح 8 بجے ہو گا اور پولنگ کا یہ عمل بلا تعطل شام 5 بجے تک جاری رہے گا جس میں ملک بھر سے 12 کروڑ 79 لاکھ 21 ہزار 49 رجسٹرڈ ووٹرز اپنے حق رائے دہی کا استعمال کریں گے۔

خیبرپختونخوا اور بلوچستان میں الگ الگ حملوں میں کم از کم چھ سکیورٹی اہلکار جاں بحقخیبرپختونخوا اور بلوچستان میں الگ الگ حملوں میں کم از کم چھ سکیورٹی اہلکار جاں بحقUrdu International — Preceding unsigned comment added by اردو انٹرنیشنل (talk • contribs) 10:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Please submit whatever this is in English since this is English Misplaced Pages. Borgenland (talk) 10:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Unclear column in table under the section: Parties

Under the section Parties, in the table it is unclear what the column "Seats before elections" means. Which election are we talking about? the column before lists numbers from 2018, which is the last election already, so which seats are these in the last column? Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

PTI Splinter groups

PTI splinter groups i.e IPP and PTI-P(K) should be highlighted in the tables and text to give readers the view of how parties are related. These splinter groups separating from PTI held large numbers of MNAs, MPA, indicating sizeable loss to PTI in months before elections. Highlighting this in the tables and text will show how these groups performed in the elections. Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 23:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Khan is not legally a candidate

Please quit including him in the infobox.Speakfor23 (talk) 09:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

PPPP

Hi @Muzzzmuzzmuzzz, Number 57, Saad Ali Khan Pakistan, Wallu2, SheriffIsInTown, and RaiHassan1: @Wiki.0hlic, Titan2456, Alexanderkowal, VosleCap, War Wounded, Borgenland, Mmmmmhzhz, and 沁水湾: PPP contested as Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians. We should put it. Panam2014 (talk) 11:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

same @Saqib: Panam2014 (talk) 11:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

PPP and PPPP are same Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Saad Ali Khan Pakistan: sure, but we should put official names. Panam2014 (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they contested as PPPP, we should include that. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Removing rigging information

@SheriffIsInTown YOUR attempt to censor information on election rigging is concerning. Several credible foreign media reports directly implicate the military of rigging which took place. Please expalain why you trying to remove it. Saqib (talk) 14:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Sources are misinterpreted to create a story based on WP:SYNTH, in addition to that, there are under discussion changes to infobox. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Allegations of the vote rigging involving military have garnered significant attention from reputable international media outlets. You cannot simply whitewash it. --Saqib (talk) 15:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I haven't come across detailed sources explaining how the military rigged the elections; most of them seem to be speculative. Have any reporters met with the Army Chief or ISI Chief, who then admitted to orchestrating election rigging? Are there any sources providing solid evidence? We shouldn't blindly include wild accusations based solely on speculative reports; not everything reported in the media is suitable for an encyclopedia. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Glad that GHQ is sending people to edit Misplaced Pages, great use of their time and resources Tala hayat (talk) 16:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Don’t make wild accusations, everyone is free to edit Misplaced Pages. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Yet important context is being removed. VosleCap (talk) 17:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown: Are you suggesting that the military must acknowledge its involvement in rigging the election? --Saqib (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm proposing that a source simply stating that the military rigged the election isn't sufficient; the source should offer accompanying evidence to support the claim. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Where in Misplaced Pages policy are editors asked to assess reliable sources for accompanying evidence of their claims? We aren’t journalists. We report what reliable sources say. We assess e.g. the BBC as reliable as a whole—not individual BBC stories as reliable. If there are reliable sources alleging military rigging, we should cite them. That is the only question to be asked. Docentation (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah if I was rigging an election the first thing I’d do is tell an international news source about rigging an election. Ramen1071 (talk) 03:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Since the disputed text is already present in the article, there's no need to continue debating this matter. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

This was already enough. I have reported User:SheriffIsInTown. Please share your comments on the noticeboard. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 18:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Re-poll on NA-88 Khushab-II

A re-polling order has been made in regards to NA-88 Khushab-II for 15 February 2024. Should we mark the seat as “postponed” or wait until the re-polling is done to colour in the winning party/candidate. @Muzzzmuzzmuzzz, Number 57, Saad Ali Khan Pakistan, Wallu2, SheriffIsInTown, and RaiHassan1: @Wiki.0hlic, Titan2456, Alexanderkowal, VosleCap, War Wounded, Borgenland, Mmmmmhzhz, and 沁水湾:

Source: https://www.brecorder.com/news/40288217 Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk) 19:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Why leave out PTI independents when you clearly show a map highlighting PTI (independents). Also this doesn’t include the form 45 maps in which many of these seats added are disputed.

It just seems counterproductive. Ramen1071 (talk) 03:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree it does seem to be favoring the Army preferred spin that Sharif won over what actually happened.Dejvid (talk) 07:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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