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Escobar’s son

Where did the facts come about Escobar’s new found son? I have proof that it is a lie LuctonLiarExposer (talk) 00:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

"Minor" changes

Please do not mark edits as "minor" when they are not - see WP:MINOR. Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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January 2021

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Thanks for your help. Makes perfect sense. Jaymailsays (talk) 02:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jérémie Laheurte

The article Jérémie Laheurte has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Misplaced Pages policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Thank you. I have added citations for this subject. Jaymailsays (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Tom Jones

Hello, please see this edit summary of mine. Graham87 09:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Sasha Wass

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Thanks, work in progress, four citations added. Jaymailsays (talk) 09:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

This Article has 9 citationsbut requires more. Jaymailsays (talk) 23:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Total of 11 citations. Jaymailsays (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

August 2021

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Trudie Goodwin, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please cite better sources--and for all intents and purposes, what you did with that podcast just looked like pure promotion. Drmies (talk) 02:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I did not add the podcast, I simply reused it after hearing the subject describe their own life, why would she lie? Incidentally her historic stated birthday is incorrect but I will not provide the evidence, no point. Why did you remove her husband's details? Jaymailsays (talk) 15:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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January 2022

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October 2022

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November 2022

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Please respond

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"Jaymailsays" is now posting defamatory information to the Amber Heard page. Demi26x (talk) 21:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Defamatory? The factual citations on Amber Heard are well sourced and Court documents support 2010 first meeting. Otherwise it would be challenged as perjury. Jaymailsays (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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St Mark's, present or past tense?

Hi, I'm seeking debate on the above at Talk:St Mark's, Hamilton Terrace#2023 fire: Is the church no longer a church?.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, in my opinion a Church is the congregation who worship within the confines of the place they regularly meet. A burnt out shell of a building cannot provide that facility, particularly when it becomes a dangerous structure. Often when a building is refurbished or extended,for worship, they will re-consecrate the ground due the perceived loss of sacredness during the changes whether planned or accidental. https://tabletalkmagazine.com/posts/is-the-church-a-people-or-a-place-2020-04/ Jaymailsays (talk) 21:52, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

The brigade said "there were no injuries, though it noted the whole two-storey Anglican building was “destroyed”. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/27/st-marks-church-st-johns-wood-london-destroyed-by-fire Jaymailsays (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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March 2023

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Misplaced Pages page. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. You've repeatedly added poorly sourced information which is not supported by the sources you've cited to Liam Conlon. This is especially concerning given that it is obviously politically motivated. SmartSE (talk) 13:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Bit Rich! Butchering a biography edit still in progress to achieve deletion is unprofessional and flawed. Jaymailsays (talk) 00:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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November 2023

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Hello, X formerly twitter citation was all that was available pending reviews of the Isobel Yeung broadcast that were made available today. I have added and chosen two citations.

Dan Wootton

You might be interested in seeing X used as a supporting citation for Dan Wootton's 40th birthday for his Wiki profile. Jaymailsays (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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Original research

Hi there, Jaymailsays. I reverted this change of yours at John Pilger as WP:OR because "He could be truculent in interviews and show very little respect if he thought the questions were badly researched" seems to be your analysis of the video you used as a reference. I do think that your analysis is correct. But: If we wanted to include the statement "He could be truculent in interviews " in Misplaced Pages:Wiki voice we would need reliable sources to explicitly support that statement. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 11:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please fix or consider drafting, as the article still may have issues. Cray04 (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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Q: Why is the BBC not a deprecated source in Misplaced Pages?

A: Because Misplaced Pages is sometimes unconsciously biased to warp-level due to the spectrum of editors, as has been demonstrated to you recently by the reversions and warnings. See ] ] ]. This is why resistance to recognising the role of Labour-appointee and backer Crozier is immediately apparent, while the very guilty Vennells is seen as fair game. My own position is far from right-wing; I have recently been attempting to get organisations formerly classified in Wiki as right-wing to be reclassified as far-right to recognise their drift over time.Albin-Counter (talk) 00:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

We can't unravel 25yrs of PO mis-management here. There is an ongoing Public Inquiry into what has gone wrong. Prosecution threats would perhaps prevent Vennells (and others) from giving their evidence at the Inquiry. Time will tell, who if anyone will be held responsible. Jaymailsays (talk) 01:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Mr Bates vs The Post Office

Since you too have detected the vandalism and/or truth suppression rife in these articles, and indeed I've assisted you against it please consider assisting here - ].

At 19:13 on 8 January 2024‎, I was reverted on my Wiki-exposure of in press coverage of a scandal in the (otherwise excellent) ITV docu-drama, which omitted any mention that their own ITV CEO for nearly 8 years (2010-2017) was Vennells' immediate predecessor (2003-2010) running the Post Office, and it was he not the guilty Vennells who embedded HORIZON and instituted or at least authorised the criminal prosecution of innocent PO staff.

I raised it here Talk:Mr_Bates_vs_The_Post_Office too. Please join in or, if you agree, even better undo 19:13 on 8 January 2024‎, the rogue deletion of pertinent material I put in. I hate those who assist, either out of inability to comprehend the significance or much worse than that, in this giant cover-up. Albin-Counter (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Horizon was introduced in 1999, well before Crozier's tenure. The issue with Vennell's tenure is she hired forensic accountants, Second Sight and then fired them when their report correctly identified Horizon as buggy and faulty.https://www.postofficetrial.com/2019/12/second-sights-ron-warmington-breaks-his.html?m=1 She promptly terminated their contract. Thus the giant cover up by her was rolled out. Plus she added monies from the suspense account to the balance sheet as profit which increased the chances of bonus payments paid to executives. Jaymailsays (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I am about to deleted the Vennells Petition count matter from this Talk: channel, it was obviously an innocent error on your part confusing an archival version with the live one. Feel free to bring it back if you wish. ;-)

I agree completely about the audacity and scale of Vennells' wrongdoing and likely criminal activities. She is a liar and justice would, IMO, be well-served by a custodial sentence augmented by utilising the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 w.r.t. her profit-related remuneration, where the profit was extorted from subpostmasters who in reality owed nothing. However, I am sceptical that we will witness anything close to justice in respect of this appalling creature.

CEO Crozier, however, oversaw a large number of civil proceedings against subpostmasters whom he was surely in a position to know were innocent. The outrageous case, to which the docu-drama rightly devotes much attention, of Post Office v Castleton EWHC 5(QB), which started with events c2005, was well-within the tenure of Crozier. Please read the final section in Womble Bond Dickinson which provides links to Crozier's involvement.

There's also:

THE TIMES ] archived from paywalled ]

THE GUARDIAN - ]

THE DAILY TELEGRAPH - ] (Different article)

LBC - ]

DAILY EXPRESS - ]

PRIVATE EYE - ]

BNN - ]

DIGITAL SPY - ]

I hesitate to cite a justly deprecated source, but, FWIW, here THE DAILY FAIL is on the money - ]

etc. as can be found by googling for Adam Crozier scandal.

I see you too have noted the inherent left-wing bias here; you commented yourself on the absurdly biased BBC being preferred over GOV.UK as a source. Incredible. The relevance to this is almost all the blame for Vennells' actions, as distinct from what she inherited, can be attributed to the Conservatives and the Libdems (Ed Davey), except for Labour Leader "Sir" Keir Starmer forgetting that he was DPP for five years including Vennell's first three, and he could have taken over the wicked prosecutions from the Post Office and then dropped them, in effect quashing them. However, Adam Crozier and his papa were mates of Tony Bliar, and his appointment was under Labour; the socialist editgang will fight ruthlessly to keep any reckoning re Crozier suppressed. You are already experiencing and suffering from this mafia-like conduct in Paula Vennells by the unscrupulous, confused or biased, in clear breach of NPOV... Why is the BBC not a deprecated source on Wiki is an excellent question, it is as bad as The Daily Mail. Hence I ask(ed) for your assistance in Talk:Mr_Bates_vs_The_Post_Office. Albin-Counter (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

There were certainly prosecutions under Crozier's tenure but Horizon was signed off by Blair in 1999. Crozier may be a distraction from the big picture when the Post Office was conjoined with Royal Mail. Horizon were accessing branch accounts and changing the ledgers, yet the Post Office denied it was possible and claimed the software was infallible. Jaymailsays (talk) 23:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I see the Vennells page is now also getting arbitrary deletions of factual relevant information. One of the same persons who deleted your contributions in part.

Also, there is more information at Adam Crozier. Albin-Counter (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Elizabeth II

Howdy. I'd recommend you stop trying to include your proposed info to Elizabeth II's page, without a consensus at the talkpage. Otherwise, you 'might' end up getting blocked by an administrator, for edit-warring. GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Jaymailsays, please take to talk. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

People's reliability

@Jaymailsays Just to make sure that you know that People is a highly reliable source since it actively covers the British royal family and also many citations from them are present on the royals' pages. Further at times you will notice that People reports on news exclusively and also before the others at times. Hence its use is pretty much valid. Please dont revert in future any PEOPLE citations on pages of British royals. I hope you take this message seriously. Thank you and regards from MSincccc (talk) 09:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

That may be your opinion but it is not backed up by consensus! Please try to act in a collaborative fashion as oppressive and authoritarian editing may have consequences. Jaymailsays (talk) 18:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

It is backed up by consensus, actually. WP:RSPSS marks it as generally reliable: "there is consensus that People magazine can be a reliable source in biographies of living persons", backed up with discussions here, here, here and here. Instead of making routine bogus threats to people who disagree with you just a little of WP:AGF would go a long way. Thanks. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

"Threats" Seriously?

"Generally reliable" is not the same as having concrete credence to evidence of fact. 'People' is a tabloid with exaggerated headlines e.g., "It's a miracle I survived" is typical of their writing style, rather than informative substance. Find a better source for high profile individuals. Jaymailsays (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

"'Generally reliable" is not the same as having concrete credence to evidence of fact'" - well, as you yourself said, that may be your opinion but it is not backed up by consensus. "Generally reliable" means that you can use it freely, with limited exceptions on things like op-eds or for certain publications using it for certain topic areas: as WP:RSEDITORIAL says: "news reporting from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact". For the purposes of royalty reporting, People is reliable and can be used whenever. Your attempts to shut that down on Catherine, Princess of Wales were not exactly consensus-based, as that seems to be what's important to you. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I would personally cite People for non-controversial matters and that appears to be the general consensus among users; and it's a source that's regularly used in pages on high-profile individuals mostly to report on matters that relate to their personal lives. The fact that Catherine has had surgery is non-controversial; it's an established fact. Meanwhile, citing the palace's statement, which you did, goes against WP:PRIMARY. When secondary sources report on a matter we should utilize them, not the primary ones. This was the ground for your edits being reverted, not the fact that you changed the wording of the sentence. Keivan.f 18:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

The citing of the Palace statement is added value to give context to the secondary citings. We as the public have no idea whether she is in that hospital having surgery or not. She could be abroad for example. The media is relying on a single primary source based solely on the Palace statement. Having access to the Palace statement is best practice. Editing out the statement is akin to censorship reminiscent of the Chinese efforts on Tiananmen Square. Or the Post Office claiming "Horizon" is bug free. You had no grounds to revert an ethically sourced edit. Jaymailsays (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

The citing of the Palace statement is added value to give context to the secondary citings. You did not cite it alongside a secondary source. You removed the secondary source and replaced it with the primary one. That is not acceptable.

We as the public have no idea whether she is in that hospital having surgery or not. She could be abroad for example. No, we actually do have an idea that she is in that hospital. Her husband was seen visiting her.

Editing out the statement is akin to censorship reminiscent of the Chinese efforts on Tiananmen Square. Or the Post Office claiming "Horizon" is bug free. You had no grounds to revert an ethically sourced edit. 1) You removed a source that by consensus is generally reliable. 2) You threw in a primary source. The other editor had every right to revert. And since we are talking about censorship, citing primary sources would go exactly against the freedom of information. The Chinese government's stance on the Tiananmen Square massacre or the Russian government's explanations for their recent actions are all examples of primary sources that cannot and should not be trusted. And we cannot cherry-pick which primary sources we can or cannot trust; the general consensus is that they should be avoided when secondary ones are available. Keivan.f 21:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

"Her husband was seen leaving" Indeed! The staged appearance proves nothing though, except that he drove himself out of the building at the specified time, nothing more. A photo of the PoW entering the hospital herself would hold some credence. PoW mother would not have stayed away from her daughter this number of days, leaving her isolated from human contact. Everyone but everyone is relying on the Palace statement, there are no independent citations to confirm her admission to that hospital. They are certainly entitled to medical privacy until they issue a statement to the public opening up the issue. Jaymailsays (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

The staged appearance proves nothing though, except that he drove himself out of the building at the specified time, nothing more. If you do not believe that he was visiting his wife, then you certainly should not believe a statement issued by Kensington Palace on his and Catherine's behalf and hence there would be no need to cite it.

PoW mother would not have stayed away from her daughter this number of days, leaving her isolated from human contact. 1) This is speculation. 2) There have been reports of William visiting over the weekend without being photographed. The same could apply to her parents.

Everyone but everyone is relying on the Palace statement, there are no independent citations to confirm her admission to that hospital. Franky, the hospital at which she is being treated is a trivial matter. All that matters is that she has had a surgery. And I see no point in them lying about it. More importantly, anything that is not reported on by an independent source would be WP:OR. The only thing that has been reported so far is that she has had abdominal surgery and is hospitalised at the London Clinic, where incidentally Margaret and Philip were also treated. Keivan.f 23:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Trivial? There is health speculation about the mother of a future Monarch and you call it trivial. I have no idea whether the speculation is true, what I know for certain is that the Palace issued a statement, when it became clear that the PoW could not fulfil planned official engagements leading up to Easter. A running commentary on her health is unnecessary on here. Jaymailsays (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I do agree that a running commentary is unnecessary, thus there is no need for speculation either. And yes, the hospital at which she is staying is a trivial piece of information. Important people get operated on every year; what matters is the nature of their problem or the type of surgery not necessarily where it was that they were being treated. Also, you either trust the Palace or you don't. Hence why I'm baffled by your initial insistence to cite their statement, when it appears that you are questioning their recent activities. Keivan.f 00:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Trust the Palace?

We mostly remember the Palace for example saying that royal couples have separated, "with no plans for divorce" then they divorce at the first opportunity. Or Diana will continue to be a HRH! When the Palace issue a statement we should cite it in its entirety and hold them to account as their future statements may be very different and vary on the very same subject.

As for the name of the hospital, the only notable aspect that I can see, is that the PoW is being treated by a charitable foundation. So it looks as though the Princess will escape VAT on her medical hospitality and accommodation charges depriving the Treasury of income. Jaymailsays (talk) 08:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not here for us to make a point or hold people to account. We're not witch hunters. And even if we were, citing the palace source would make no difference, when secondary sources have already reported on it, so it is already a matter of public record. Also, when it comes to their statements and actions, literally thousands of couples get separated with no intention to divorce, yet, this is life and things can always go off the rail. Additionally, we have not seen Catherine's medical bills and that she is escaping VAT is also speculation. Finally, this is all irrelevant to the topic at hand. Keivan.f 14:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

So you don't trust the Palace but replace a reliable secondary source with one of its statements? What? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Hang on, you're saying that a Post Office statement re Horizon / Fujitsu, used as a primary source, would be a reliable one? Are you joking? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from inventing meanings that are not there. I will not respond further to your talk posts on this subject. Jaymailsays (talk) 22:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, what did you mean? Because if you didn't mean that you clearly don't mean what you say. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

It's pretty much tabloid trash and on its own cannot be relied upon Jaymailsays (talk) 23:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

If your problem is with People stating that she's being treated at the London Clinic, here's The Guardian stating the same thing. And I'm sorry, nobody would agree to removing the hospital name simply because you're 'speculating' that she might be hospitalized somewhere else. Keivan.f 00:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Ironic the Guardian is reporting on the Palace statement and carries it in full quotes whereas on here, there is denial. Jaymailsays (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Understand the policy, please. For a matter to be considered of utmost importance, secondary sources have to report on it. "Significant coverage is secondary sources" is required for any biographical article per WP:GNG. Otherwise we would have pages on utterly unimportant topics attributed to primary sources that would naturally be biased in favor or maybe even against a subject. And I explained why primary sources cannot be used; the Palace in this instance IS a primary source. Secondly, please pick a position and stick with it. You are upset about the Palace statement being excluded yet earlier on you were implying that the subject's husband could be faking a hospital visit. So which is it then? Are they or their team reliable or not? And what Tim O'Doherty was asking was concerning your conflicting approach regarding this matter. Citing the Palace, a primary source in this instance, is exactly like citing the Post Office on a matter related to the Horizon scandal. Keivan.f 01:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Keivan.f,@Jaymailsays and @Tim O'Doherty The matter is clear. When the secondary sources are required, and People, BBC News, Guardian, etc. all are equally appropriate to use, the one that was used first should stay lest there is a vry extraordinary reason to do so. Hence the BBC News and People citations should stay. I hope it’s clear to you all. Regards MSincccc (talk) 03:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Those two will indeed stay. I added The Guardian as an even stronger secondary source to back up the claims made within the page. Frankly, that's all the information we got and making speculations will not get us anywhere. Citing the Palace statement also would not make any difference. Keivan.f 03:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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Steve wright Date of death

Hi, the news was only published today, The BBC Press release states he died yesterday https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/steve-wright-mbe Ioangogo (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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