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	*'''Oppose''', the book and the film hold equal long-term significance, and both are the common name for their topics even though the book has a "Wonderful" formal name. Misplaced Pages should have a long memory (into the past and into the future), and in a long-memory timeline the novel and the book are, equally, ''The Wizard of Oz'' <small>as is that guy behind the curtain</small>. ] (]) 01:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''', the book and the film hold equal long-term significance, and both are the common name for their topics even though the book has a "Wonderful" formal name. Misplaced Pages should have a long memory (into the past and into the future), and in a long-memory timeline the novel and the book are, equally, ''The Wizard of Oz'' <small>as is that guy behind the curtain</small>. ] (]) 01:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
	*:If Misplaced Pages had a long memory, it would realize that people didn't start calling the book ''The Wizard of Oz'' until the film came out and became a cultural icon, and that the book was published under the title ''The Wonderful Wizard of Oz''. Even now, Google Search makes this distinction; so does Encyclopedia Britannica (which interestingly says {{tqq\|by the late 20th century the 1939 film ''The Wizard of Oz'' had become more familiar than the book on which it was based}}). Look up "The Wizard of Oz" on and , and you'll find that the shortened name almost always refers to the film while the extended form almost always refers to the book. It's been 85 since the film was released; if this distinction hasn't changed now, it's unlikely to change anytime soon. ] (]) 02:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)		*:If Misplaced Pages had a long memory, it would realize that people didn't start calling the book ''The Wizard of Oz'' until the film came out and became a cultural icon, and that the book was published under the title ''The Wonderful Wizard of Oz''. Even now, Google Search makes this distinction; so does Encyclopedia Britannica (which interestingly says {{tqq\|by the late 20th century the 1939 film ''The Wizard of Oz'' had become more familiar than the book on which it was based}}). Look up "The Wizard of Oz" on and , and you'll find that the shortened name almost always refers to the film while the extended form almost always refers to the book. It's been 85 since the film was released; if this distinction hasn't changed now, it's unlikely to change anytime soon. ] (]) 02:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

			:'''Support''' per nom. The film is already naturally disambiguated from the book and has a lot of long-term significance on its own, so I think it’s safe to make it the base title for ''Wizard of Oz'' ] (]) 03:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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The Wizard Of Oz premiered in the San Francisco Bay Area at the Oakland Paramount, on August 17, 1939, the same day it premiered in New York at Loew's Capitol Theatre. This can be confirmed by newspaper ads in the Oakland Tribune, Bancroft Library; and by Oakland Paramount advertising cards.

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The Wizard of Oz (1939 film) → The Wizard of Oz – The film, The Wizard of Oz (1939 film), and the novel, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, are sufficient distinct from each other to fall under WP:SMALLDETAILS. The original novel was not published as The Wizard of Oz (according to the article, it has sometimes been reprinted with the film's title due to the film's popularity, meaning the publishers wanted to associate themselves with the film as a companion piece, which only proves that the film is more widely associated with that term) and is thus WP:NATURALly disambiguated; this is similar to The Fellowship of the Ring (the book) vs. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (the film), or The Shawshank Redemption (the film) vs. Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption (the book).

Perhaps a more excellent example would be Nineteen Eighty-Four, which is not titled 1984 (novel) despite often being reprinted and known as such. The book and the year are both equally and highly notable, but because of the differences in their names, they are disambiguated NATURALly. Due to The Wizard of Oz's cultural impact and significance, being one of the most influential films of all time, comparable to that of Nineteen Eighty-Four, it can easily be regarded as the primary topic for the exact term "The Wizard of Oz", and this is reinforced by pageviews. A Google Search for "The Wizard of Oz" surfaces results almost exclusively for the film. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, current WP:NOPRIMARY setup works best. 162 etc. (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Your argument, NOPRIMARY, would mean The Wonderful Wizard of Oz needs to be moved to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (novel). It makes no sense to claim that the book is distinct from the film, but not vice versa. InfiniteNexus (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The proposed move concerns The Wizard of Oz (1939 film). If you want to discuss moving The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, it needs to be stated explicitly in the nomination. See WP:EXPLICIT. 162 etc. (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

There are many more "The Wizard of Oz" titles than there are "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" titles. It is entirely possible for the book to be the primary topic of the longer title, while no subject is the primary topic of the shorter title, in part because it is also used as shorthand for the book. BD2412 T 23:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

But the book is sometimes known as The Wizard of Oz because of the film's enormous popularity. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Support. The dab page currently at The Wizard of Oz is averaging 158 views per day, which is way too high for a dab page. It seems obvious that most readers want and expect an article about the famous and highly influential film at that title, based on consistently high pageviews, as well as Google searches mentioned above. The book is also significant, even though it gets only about 25% of the pageviews of the film, but happily is already WP:NATURALLY disambiguated by using its best title, and can be linked directly from a hatnote. All other uses combined are far behind the film. Station1 (talk) 21:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the film has more views, but the novel has well over one view per minute (I enjoy knowing there are 1440 minutes in a day and anything near that means that somebody, somewhere, will click on the page every minute). Randy Kryn (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
And the film gets one view every 12 seconds. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Support - per Station1, they make a sensible argument. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Oppose, the book and the film hold equal long-term significance, and both are the common name for their topics even though the book has a "Wonderful" formal name. Misplaced Pages should have a long memory (into the past and into the future), and in a long-memory timeline the novel and the book are, equally, The Wizard of Oz as is that guy behind the curtain. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
If Misplaced Pages had a long memory, it would realize that people didn't start calling the book The Wizard of Oz until the film came out and became a cultural icon, and that the book was published under the title The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. Even now, Google Search makes this distinction; so does Encyclopedia Britannica (which interestingly says by the late 20th century the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz had become more familiar than the book on which it was based). Look up "The Wizard of Oz" on Google Books and Amazon, and you'll find that the shortened name almost always refers to the film while the extended form almost always refers to the book. It's been 85 since the film was released; if this distinction hasn't changed now, it's unlikely to change anytime soon. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. The film is already naturally disambiguated from the book and has a lot of long-term significance on its own, so I think it’s safe to make it the base title for Wizard of Oz Dantus21 (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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