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Following the custom of other, wiser Wikipedians, I now reply on this page to Talk on this page.

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I have lost my faith that the majority of Misplaced Pages editors have any real interest in developing the world's most comprehensive, unbiased, accessible source of factual information. I think a minority share these goals, and the great mass of editors are here to amuse themselves by dunking other users and marshaling their toy armies. I confess I've amused myself in that way, too, and my usefulness as a contributor of content has fallen to zero. I would not mind any of this if some of the hierarchy took the time to slap the shit out of those of us who are really here for nothing else but pointless door games.

This project resembles a MMPORPG more than a place where work is done. If I want to play games, I can go buy a PlayStation; if I want to play with hyperactive kids online, I can reinstall StarCraft. I don't really have the time for any of these amusements.

I have email, and if there's any question in your mind whether you will get past my exceedingly robust SPAM protection, please put "Misplaced Pages" in the Subject: header. I invite anyone to write me who wishes to show that there is any longer a community here worth preserving. — Xiongtalk 11:19, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)

Template:01

Hi there. Template:01 was deleted as per consensus at WP:TFD. I noticed on an arbitration page that it was used as evidence. I therefore moved it to your user: namespace (you said that you would happily move it, so I figured it would be okay). If you have any problems with this, I apologize for touching your user page, and I'll move it to my own user subpage and delete it from yours. Thanks for your time. -Frazzydee|✍ 01:03, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I did it with Template:Mockup too. Again, feel free to move it to my own user subpage if you don't want it there. -Frazzydee|✍ 11:46, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I promised to move or delete all those silly templates myself after the prescribed time had elapsed; I'm sorry I failed to do so after I huffed off. You did exactly right. — Xiongtalk 02:23, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Moving your "how to make complex illustrations" guide

Hi, I do really like your how-to guide, but I also do think that there's a plausible case to be made that it belongs in e.g. Wikibooks. Mind, I'm not saying I think I've concluded that it's more appropriate there than in Misplaced Pages:, it might well be better suited where it is. However, I don't think it's a slam-dunk that it ought to stay there. So I don't think Netoholic's out to harass you - he just has strong ideas on how things ought to be organized, and acts of them. Anyway, do chill out, and take a Wikibreak if the Wikistress is getting to you. This project is supposed to be fun, not aggravation... Noel (talk) 20:16, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Link here: Misplaced Pages:How to make complex illustrations using FreeHand and Photoshop

I agree this belongs in wikibooks. There are other guides already, though. Misplaced Pages:Graphics_tutorials Maybe they should all go there and we can link to a book instead of the guides. - Omegatron 20:46, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

1. The tutorial with the absurdly long name is not my personal property, and if anybody can figure out how to move the entire project interwiki without damage, perhaps he should do so. It's a much more complex proposition than it appears at first blush. I suggest the bold knight think of a better name first.

2. Netoholic is out to harass me, personally; anyone who he identifies as his "enemy", specifically; and this project as a whole, in general. He spawns imitators of his style, hiding in the gray area of barely acceptable, constantly confrontational manipulation. If I saw him in my neighborhood on the street, I swear police presence would be required. I don't know whether they would haul him off, me, or both -- but we would simply not exist together, not on the same block, not on the same cellblock. We all have strong opinions about how things should be done; people like him, who get their rocks off imposing their will on others, should be eliminated.

3. This project should not be "fun" for anyone. It should not be hell either, but it should be taken seriously, as a holy mission to uphold a standard of truth -- factual reportage -- and a collegial community in which such can be generated. Too many users think this is a playground. Adults doing serious work need a sense of humor, but not to go so far as to saw the legs off chairs.

— Xiongtalk 02:23, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Holy mission?? Not everyone shares your viewpoint. - Omegatron 03:53, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Stuff

Relax. The wiki will continue to turn. The matter of templates will be resolved in your favor. So says the wiki-oracle. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:24, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Show me a few heads on pikes, and I will begin to believe you. I need to see some adults around here, unafraid to take abrupt action to protect the fabric of the community against predators and carpetbaggers. Otherwise, it really doesn't matter how TfD is handled. Remember that Netoholic really does not care about the substantive issues. His payoff comes in the form of manhours pissed away dealing with his bullshit. — Xiongtalk 02:23, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Relax please. - Omegatron 03:35, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Why? — Xiongtalk 03:39, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Down the memory hole

This comment originally appeared in Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) 10:54, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC). It was not only removed from the Pump, but from the Pump's history itself -- pure Orwellian censorship, and not by a common user, either.

If you think this is unacceptable, I hope you will work to preserve not only these remarks, but to discover the actor who obliterated them. — Xiongtalk 03:15, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

I don't know that this is even possible. I've never had anything to do with TfD. What is the problem you're having? - Omegatron 03:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Forget TfD. Concentrate on the obliteration of my remarks from the Pump. Obviously, a user with extraordinary powers did this. If that does not upset you, I think it ought. — Xiongtalk 03:45, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

I would be somewhat upset, but I don't necessarily believe it yet. Evidence? - Omegatron 03:50, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

What evidence do you seek? I'm asserting systematic obliteration not only of my remarks, but of evidence I ever made them.

Not to be paranoid, but are you truly on the side of Right in this? May I trust you with a pointer to the only scrap of evidence this Minitrue thug overlooked? I'm not insinuating; I'm asking you to declare your position, not in general, but in this specific case. Will you carry the banner? — Xiongtalk 04:07, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Not to be paranoid?? The comment is right there on the village pump right now, and no one is disappearing it. Why do you think someone is out to get you? As I said, I don't think it's possible to remove something from a page's history like that. Since the very incident is therefore unprovable either way, I don't know what to tell you...

I refuse to declare a Position. I'm not participating in any stupid wars. - Omegatron 04:59, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Is this what you are looking for? No one's touched it. You just posted it on the talk page by accident. Relax, please. - Omegatron 05:11, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

No conspiracy theories about someone removing your TFD rant -- you simply posted your comments on the wrong page. Would you mind perhaps removing your repeated insertions of this text from all those various talk pages, and post retractions? -- Netoholic @ 04:18, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

I assert that my posting to VP-policy was entirely correct. I am still unable to find in that page's history the diff you cite. How was the diff itself removed from history? And who removed the comment itself, and to where? And who dares decide what is or is not appropriate in such a forum of last resort?

I retract nothing, especially my characterization of you, Netoholic, as an evil influence on this project. Feel free to get one of your big buddies to squash me; my participation here is essentially over. Enjoy your victory. — Xiongtalk 04:29, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

You accidently posted on "Misplaced Pages talk:Village pump (policy)". This history is here. -- Netoholic @ 04:41, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Relax

I've got to warn you, Xiong, if you carry on like a loose cannon someone is going to end up requesting dispute resolution actions against you. You can't go around making conspiratorial accusations, refusing to apologise when it is demonstrated you are wrong; calling users "evil", messing with critical templates for bizarre reasons, posting long, duplicate rants on multiple pages, etc... I think you are getting worked up over very silly things. I suggest you take some time out and relax. Try browsing WP:BJAODN, it's always good for some light relief. -- FP 05:03, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Your advice is way too little, way too late, and comes with an insufficient dose of concrete aid. If you want me to heed you, then show you are impartial, and weigh in on the side of Right in the several places in which I have been overridden roughshod. Your comments so far have been personal attacks ad hominem.

If my charge that some power-mad user dropped my comment down the memory hole is unfounded, you will note that I name no names. Who is aggrieved? Who is this big buddy? If nobody did such a thing, nobody is attacked.

More to the point, why did you, nor any fine, upstanding Wikipedian not move the item if it were misfiled? I am not convinced! It is just as easy to make me look foolish by altering history as to eliminate all reference to the complaint.

Much, much more to the point, why was a certain user allowed to do what he did to TfD and to poor {divbox}'s listing? You attack the posting of my complaint, but you do not respond to the complaint itself. You take the easy way out.

Netoholic has been in arbitration for days and continues to rampage unchecked. His actions are evil, a menace to the project. I have demonstrated this many times in many ways. I begged a user well up in the hierarchy to block both of us until his case is decided. I invite you to do the same. — Xiongtalk 05:43, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)