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SPA crossing the line

Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Wish you a very happy & prosperous new year! Deep singh kumawat has been involved in slow edit warring, trying to promote the communities (Kumhar & Kumawat) using unacceptable sources and mostly trying to remove sourced content from the article on Kumhar, see 1, 2, 3 & similar ones (in spite of warnings and discretionary sanctions alert on their talk page)! Now, after the recent revert, Deep singh kumawat is trying to threaten me saying they have admin friends in Hindi Misplaced Pages and some higher authority will 'prevent' me 'from getting promotion' (God knows what they mean)! But this is not the problem; the problem is when I reverted this edit along with a proper edit summary here, they have reverted my talk page edit (here)! I guess Deep singh believes that they would decide what I should allow on my talk page! Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy new year to you too, Ekdalian. I've posted some advice for the user. Bishonen | tålk 09:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC).

Thank you so much, Bishonen! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 09:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ekdalian,You are misinterpreting my statements.If you find my article threatening, I am willing to make corrections, that is, I will rarely write like this again.I was asking you to be a compassionate person like my admin friends.From which you have taken inappropriate meaning, perhaps,I am obliged to say sorry to you.

@Bishonen Ji

I had given a government reference in place of the removed reference to increase information/knowledge.

@Ekdalian has not given a proper reason for undoing this.1 I am not promoting any caste or community, I have just tried to publish the reliable information I get about them. Despite this, if you feel that I am wrong somewhere, please write with discretion. दीपसिंह 10:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Westall

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Need input.

In the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article, I removed 4 as they did not had the WP:RS and WP:OR sources. First one: Nargis, in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer" in the Personal section.

Another is Khusro Khan, his Religion section explicity states that "Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name." Hence including him on the list severely violates WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:Fringe.

Another case is of two brothers, Harihara I and Bukka Raya I, both articles explicity state that their early life is "unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more WP:Reliable sources to make them in the list.

Can you please see if the revert did not violated Misplaced Pages's policies. 182.183.11.100 (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Guidance

Dearly platinate, please accept wishes for a cool and fruitful year. I wonder if you could take a look at Neri Oxman and recent edit streams there, where it seems hard to maintain proportionality. I don't want to spar with the ornery, as it feels like care is warranted, and would welcome your perspective. – SJ + 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

About the plagiarism allegations? Man, what a lot of editing. I suppose people basically agree that the plagiarism issue should be in the article, and that Business Insider is an OK source for it? The question is if it should be in the lead. I'll keep my opinion on that to myself, since I intend to protect the article. Daniel Case has semiprotected; that I don't understand, since there's an edit war on, not IP disruption. I've upped it to full protection. A good year to you too, little user! (Oops, that was Bishzilla getting into my head.) Bishonen | tålk 18:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC).

<laugh> Yea, it seems a combination of PIA-fringe and politics is spreading to a range of academic articles this season. It's mainly a question of how quickly and prominently media cyclones propagate allegations into biographies. A wordy section with five separate BI cites is generous to news tails that may wish to wag article dogs. And here (as with the Rufo articles on Claudine Gay) the news outlet was making the news, not reporting on it. That feels like a different role than the one we usually evaluate in considering reliability. – SJ + 19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

You're a sensible person, so I'm sure you agree with me on the lead-thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Need your expertise

Hey Bish! I've been looking into some Indian weirdness (lots of spam and UPE) but I'm coming across lots of weirdness that isn't what I'm looking for. Any chance you could have a look at this hyper-focused editor and decide if their contributions are good, bad, or indifferent? They're not what I'm looking for and I don't deal with Indian subcontinent topics. Thanks! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

• Very focussed - either the subject or an acolyte. I am not bothered enough to start checking the sources, but if they do check out I suggest it should be left alone. It might not get the traffic of a minor anime character, but it might be a more worthwhile subject in the future. (yes, I do nose around India sub-continent issues - mostly ensuring that caste or religious affiliations to not overburden an article). LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
• Thanks, little LessHeard. I would figure an acolyte, for myself. Some of it isn't sourced at all, other than to Pattanaik's own words. You need my what, Harry? Honestly, it's true I've found myself somewhat pulled into Indian subjects, but it's not exactly because I understand them. Little talkpage stalkers? RegentsPark, Abecedare, Vanamonde93, SpacemanSpiff? Bishonen | tålk 17:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC).

  Why would one of your (very many) acolytes be editing this article..? LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

  Aha, it's probably Bishzilla! Bishonen | tålk 17:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC).

  My guess would also be that this is an acolyte, possibly with a COI, but the low rate of edits and long time frame suggests to me this isn't UPE. I suspect this individual is notable, but substantive coverage is sparse, and someone will have to dig for reviews of his books to write a neutral article. I'd suggest a p-block from the page until they answer questions about their COI, and taking it from there. The page is full of puffery but I'm not immediately seeing a clean version to revert to, it may have to sit under a tag until someone else musters the energy to fix it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

  Pattanaik is definitely notable but the article is weird. Having ruffled a lot of feathers, he gets a lot of criticism from both sides of the ideological spectrum and all that is clearly missing. That said, I'm not sure this would be UPE, more like a fan's edits (we get that a lot). Compare this article with Pema Khandu and this would even look like a candidate for a Pulitzer! —SpacemanSpiff 01:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Zabriskie

Hello, Bishonen. Do you think you could revision delete the latest contribution on the talk page of User:Peterzabriskie, labeled "redact"? It was me erasing my real name from several of his comments after he ignored my request to keep my identity anonymous after we go into a debate some months ago. Thanks in advance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I did not ignore any of the comments. 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Peterzabriskie, Well, you clearly did to my request not to use my real name. Also, why are you using an IP? Don't you have an account? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I am just responding to your pursuit 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

ps your timing is coincidentally curious: I no sooner hit submit to The US Copyright Office to register past works of mine. Making me possibly less "not noteworthy " but your resurrection of this ancient dispute surfaces again. Lol. 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Reworded response: That is a coincidence indeed. I'm not sure how you think I would know that you did that. And I did not resurrect it and am not making an attempt to continue it; I simply transcribed it to my Misplaced Pages page because I believe conversations pertinent to Misplaced Pages contributions should stay here. And there is no "pursuit"; I didn't even intend for you to get involved. Maybe we could carry this conversation to my talk page? Though I would prefer that it just gets discontinued, especially if we are both content with the way things turned out. Also, you didn't answer my first question. Just curious why you aren't logged in? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The name appears already in this edit, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse, and in every revision from then onwards, so I'd have to revision delete pretty much the entire page history. I'm not sure that's reasonable, and there's also the risk of a Streisand effect. As for you, User:174.240.160.251 / User:Peterzabriskie, you can either log in to your account or get lost from this page. If you act again to make your doxxing more prominent or otherwise disrupt Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC).

Didn't notice that. Good point. Could you make time to read that transcript of mine? Of course you don't have to but I find it rather amusing. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm lost. Where is it? Bishonen | tålk 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC).

In any case, it'll have to be tomorrow. Bedtime here. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC).

Here. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The email mentioned below wasn't Zabriskie, was it? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Not at all, no. Something completely different. I hope you have now received my reply, Ritchie333? Bishonen | tålk 02:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC).

I did, and your advice was acted upon. I have dropped a penny in the Bishzilla charity box. Ritchie333 10:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Haha! Fine flavour! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 10:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC).

You've got mail (unless the courier has lost it)

Ritchie333 10:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Page blocked user

Hi Bishonen.. you had page blocked the user Vishwabrahman52 from the article on Rathakara! How can they still edit the article? Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my bad! They were page blocked for six months; hence they are back now doing exactly what we expect from them! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Right. I've warned. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC).

Thanks a lot! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 12:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Sarthakhereluck

Is there a reason you hardblocked Sarthakhereluck? The main account is probably affected by the autoblock. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 16:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Someone who's wrong on the internet. I wanted to stop them from creating further accounts, but thinking about it, you're probably right that autoblocking wasn't the best idea (even though the main account isn't exactly behaving like god's gift to Misplaced Pages). I've changed it. Thanks for your vigilance! Bishonen | tålk 18:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC).

No prob! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

That works

Thanks for cutting the Gordian knot of my own design, Bish. I was about to routinely block them, but then got myself caught up with wanting to avoid the appearance of INVOLVED, and then that developed into paralysis about whether it was worth making an AE report...this is a much simpler solution. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I enjoyed it, Writ. Bishonen | tålk 19:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC).

Temporary protection request

Can you temporarily protect the article Nilathingal Thundam Perumal temple? User:Sudarshanazhwan has the habit of deleting paragraphs in that article.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.16.100 (talk) 07:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, IP. Sudarshanazhwan has been indefinitely blocked, so there shouldn't be any need for protection. Feel free to come back here if there should be more disruption at the article. Bishonen | tålk 09:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC).

Thank you. 31.200.16.100 (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Caste warrior

Hi Bishonen.. can you please take appropriate action against the user Elizabethhistoric77. Please check the revision history of the article on Das (surname) to get an idea of the kind of persistent vandalism by the user in spite of all forms of warnings! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Sorry, it's too late for Bish to do anything. Done and dusted. Doug Weller talk 16:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Doug Weller. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Testing

This section is for testing. Bishonen | tålk 21:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC).

Can I test too? Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you will fare better, Floq. I was trying to test a script. No luck. Bishonen | tålk 22:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC).

..○○oo00OO(testing 📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣)---Sluzzelin talk 23:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary Edit War

Bishonen . . . In November, I made an attempt to update the Herod the Great page. I made factual changes. I supported the changes with credible sources. And the changes were summarily reverted, and so quickly that it is difficult to believe that the changes were considered for credibility. As it happens, all the changes that were undone were either changes to remove biased and derogatory disparagement of the Bible, or to remove incorrect statements that attempted to champion an uncorroborated hypothesis supported by an academic minority. A hypothesis that is not in agreement with scholars of renown, like Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim.

The person who reverted the changes was condescending, rude, and belligerent. I stood up for myself. I was considered "rude," and he was not. I was blocked from the page. He wasn't. And I got the distinct overall impression that some favoritism was taking place.

While I absolutely appreciate that a lot of hacks come onto this site and make ridiculous changes, and the content certainly has to be protected from people who would pollute it with disinformation, I have been researching the topic of Herod the Great and related New Testament history for almost thirty years. I'm not a hack. I do know the information of this topic, and probably better than most. The article in its present condition is rife with biased points of view, blatantly incorrect statements relative to the known facts, and minority conclusions generally dismissed by the academic majority, while the opinions of the majority are virtually non-existent.

I would like to edit the article with credible changes, based on credible sources. I would like to do so without having to fight with the self-appointed watchdog over the site. I can be a quality contributor on several articles surrounding this and related topics. I have a lot of years and a lot of knowledge to share. But there's no point if the changes are going to be summarily undone. I spent a great deal of time carefully wording things and looking up sources the last time, and the first change was undone before I finished the third. It was ridiculous. I won't spend time trying to provide the internet community with valuable information if that time is going to be wasted.

Furthermore, I would like to appeal once more to have the Matthew comment amended. The only relevance Matthew has to the topic of Herod is that Matthew is the source by which Herod is both famous and infamous. The integrity of Matthew's account is not germane to the topic of Herod the Great, only the existence of it. I was not the first person to try and amend it. I won't be the last. The content as it exists serves no purpose other than to disparage the Bible. That, "Herod is most famously known from the Bible's Gospel of Matthew," is as much as is relevant. The addendum that, "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred," only exists to discredit the Bible. It adds nothing to the Herod article, and the credibility of Matthew in this case is an opinion besides. I was told I couldn't add opinionated content (which I didn't actually do; I provided direct primary sources). And it's still an opinion, even if it's an opinion from a published book. Additionally, it is offensive content. And Misplaced Pages states that it is inclusive. If the content is offensive, not germane, and not established by any facts whatsoever, then it shouldn't be there.

Some guidance on these things would be appreciated. I would like to contribute without harassment, and since concise statements with quality source citations are apparently not adequate, I could use some help in understanding what I need to do to make changes that won't waste my valuable time.

I wanted to message you privately, but I couldn't find an option for that, so my apologies for airing this in public. AlexFrazier (talk) 14:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AlexFrazier. In public is fine. I'm a little taken aback to see that being blocked from Herod the Great and its talkpage in November 2023 has meant that you have edited nothing since. Is Herod your only interest on Misplaced Pages, really? It seems unfortunate to me that you haven't used the time of your block to edit in other areas and make yourself more familiar with the culture and the policies here. I'm afraid your opinion, shown above, that the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" only exists to discredit the Bible, and is offensive, suggests to me quite strongly that Misplaced Pages may not be the place for you. The Bible is not considered a reliable source here. Yes, as you say, you provided primary sources (such as the Bible) and drew conclusions from them. That's not how it's supposed to work per our policies: articles are supposed to be based on reliable secondary sources. Drawing your own conclusions from primary sources is not allowed; please, if you read nothing else that I link to, look up Misplaced Pages:No original research. That Misplaced Pages is "inclusive" does not mean that you're free to ignore our rules and policies.

To summarize: if you expect me to rein in tgeorgescu and let you edit the article without anybody objecting or reverting, that's not going to happen. (Indeed, I couldn't do it if I wanted to.) Since you seem quite resistant to our rules, I do fear that you would in fact be wasting your time by going back to editing Herod the Great, and/or arguing about it on the talkpage. I don't like to tell anybody they're not a good fit for Misplaced Pages, but, well, since you appear to actively dislike our principles... I'm sure there are websites out there better suited to your work. You probably know more about them than I do. Bishonen | tålk 19:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC).

Are you suggesting that because I find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive that Misplaced Pages isn't the place for me? Am I understanding you correctly?

I haven't edited anything else because it seems to me that I'll run into the same problem.

Also, I didn't use the Bible as a primary source. I used reliable secondary sources, and they were ignored. I don't expect anyone to protect a page on my behalf. I just want some fairness.

But truth be told, you answered in such a biased and unrelated manner to my post that it's obvious the favoritism I suspected appears to be accurate.

If you folks care more about playing favorites and protecting garbage scholarship because heaven forbid someone should cite an actual primary source (which is what your secondary sources are using to form their "original research" conclusions), then you're probably right. This may not be the place for me. I sincerely thought this was a place where those who had the knowledge could contribute to make a great online encyclopedia. But with the way this is, you might as well just plagiarize a few books and be done with it. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim—they lived and died how many years ago? Stick to mainstream Bible scholarship published in the past 20 or at most 30 years. And we have a low opinion of those who try to give the lie to relatively recent works of Bible scholarship published by WP:CHOPSY. We're not Sunday school. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

First of all, I came to him, not you, to resolve a problem because I feel I was treated unfairly. Your rude and condescending input wasn't needed. Nor did you say anything of worth. Secondly, Theodore Mommsen is a renowned scholar, responsible for numerous volumes of the CIL, the IG, and other volumes of epigraphy and Roman and Greek History, in addition to writing The History of Rome. He was educated at an Ivy League school. Emil Schürer was likewise educated at an Ivy League school, and has numerous publications. I read the rules. They don't say they have to be in the last twenty years or so. The topic concerns history from two thousand years ago. Their educated works have weight. Thirdly, I'm not treating this as Sunday School. There's no reason for you to insult me. I even kept your name out of my communication to keep it neutral. So do me a favor and just leave me be. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Bishonen is a she. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• shrug* k AlexFrazier (talk) 20:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If you mean that Misplaced Pages as a whole favors relatively recent WP:SCHOLARSHIP from WP:CHOPSY: you're right, this is not a level playing field. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I asked you to leave me alone. I have no continued interest in what you have to say. AlexFrazier (talk) 20:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Then why are you pleading here, if you're not interested in your opponents comments and responses? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

That person is consistently condescending and rude to me. I don't want anything to do with them. And I didn't plead to that person. I came here to contact the admin for advice on how to be able to participate when following the rules resulted in being blocked.

The answer I received said enough. This site is a joke. AlexFrazier (talk) 20:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Firstly, no, I'm not suggesting Misplaced Pages isn't the place for you because you find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive — not at all. I'm suggesting Misplaced Pages isn't the place for you because you find the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" to be anti-Christian. Secondly, it's not for you to try to shoo tgeorgescu off this page — my user talkpage. They're welcome here. Bishonen | tålk 21:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC).

Indeed, we seek to refrain from offending Christians needlessly. But we still have to call a spade a spade. Actually, liberal Christianity made peace with that since long ago.

Anyway, that the WP:RS/AC from 150 years ago trumps the WP:RS/AC from this year is a ridiculous argument. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

CU blociked. Doug Weller talk 08:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Caste crap

Sorry to bother you, Bish, but this looks beyond the pale. Perhaps, a final warning is in order. Also, see their t/p. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Nah, 3 months partial block from talk page and article. I didn't check, do they need an alert? Doug Weller talk 11:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Also see . Doug Weller talk 11:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug! TrangaBellam (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bish.. Sourin666 and Aceofalljackofnone are caste warriors; I have warned both of them multiple times on their respective talk pages. You may please check i) this, Sourin666 initiating a new section along with legal threat, ii) Sourin666 recently saying that three editors (including me) are "nothing more than goons" in this edit, iii) Aceofalljackofnone supporting such a personal attack here! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt action, Doug Weller! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, Doug. I guess you changed your mind about a 3-month block, as you actually blocked for one month? Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC).

Ouch. My bad. Still, we'll see what happens after that unless you want to change it. Doug Weller talk 13:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Nah, let's leave it. They're bound to be indeffed soon in any case. Bishonen | tålk 13:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC).

They're doing a little venting, and their new userpage is ... interesting. I'm interested in what they do next. Acroterion (talk) 13:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Ha. The userpage is amusing. I find it hard to believe that they wrote it themselves, actually. AI? Bishonen | tålk 13:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC).

Slightly tangentially, I just blocked the morning crop of spammers that showed up in edit filter 499, and a lot of them have an AI feel to them. I foresee an avalanche of one-off camelcased names spouting five paragraphs of prosy AI-speak about rubber band importers. With a thoughtful spammer and the right software it could become a real problem. Acroterion (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

It's really tough to believe they wrote it themselves! Ekdalian (talk) 13:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Self-requested block

Hello, per your page on this, could you please block me until 0:00 1 March 2024? I would like to enforce a wikibreak, and I don't trust myself to not break my account if I use the user script. Thank you! Thriftycat 16:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, please do wait 24 hours before blocking (as your page says); I don't want to autoblock my entire school. Thriftycat 16:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Thriftycat, hehe, always fun blocking whole schools! Kidding. I will block you as requested, starting in 24 hours (or a bit more in case I'm AFK). But I'll make it simply "one month" — fitting it to a particular time of day is bothersome. Not sure, either, whether the software counts February as a proper month. Please let me know if you care about those details. Bishonen | tålk 17:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC).

Great, that sounds good. Thriftycat 19:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocked. Enjoy! Bishonen | tålk 17:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC).

User talk:Healthandfitz

The user was blocked by a retired admin - you may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 09:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thank you, Cahk. Bishonen | tålk 09:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC).

Hello!

I just started using Twinkle, so sorry about the unnecessary 4th warning. I seemed to have issued the warning right after you banished the user. Is there any way I could have did better? AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 14:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

You did fine, AlphaBetaGammsh. Your warning and my block have the same timestamps, so, even though I was probably a smidgeon earlier, you couldn't very well have seen the block before you warned. I didn't mean to blame you by removing your fourth warning — I just thought it didn't look right on the page, just below the block notice. Thank you for warning vandals! Bishonen | tålk 14:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC).

Deletion request

Dear Bishonen, can you please DELETE this account Melrorross (talk) 19:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Melrorross. I'm afraid accounts can't be deleted, as such. But it looks from the conversation on your talkpage as if what you want is to get rid of the account — to immobilize it, so to speak — and henceforth to use only the older account User:Melroross (note the different spelling). That would be a good thing, since one person isn't supposed to have more than one account. I can take care of it by blocking Melrorross and blanking its userpages, or redirecting them to the Melroross pages. Would that suit you? Please respond below. Bishonen | tålk 21:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC).

Hi Bishonen, yes absolutely. Many thanks for that. Melroross (talk) 23:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, done. (I redirected the pages to your active pages.) Happy editing! Bishonen | tålk 00:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC).

Minor but annoying mystery

I'd appreciate the help of a wise and crafty Wikipedian at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#19:09,_12_February_2024_review_of_submission_by_Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

And it still doesn't show up on Google, Mr Fröding. (I wouldn't have known, as I use DuckDuckGo. Use DuckDuckGo, don't get tracked!) But you're after a wise and crafty Wikipedian. I'm pretty sure I've got some of those watching this page. Also, might not Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) be the best place to ask? Whatever the problem is, it's surely of a technical nature. Bishonen | tålk 09:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC).

Usedtobecool tried something (turn off and turn on again), we'll give it awhile and see what happens. The mission is to get the WP-article to appear above her entry on wikifeet.com in a search like this:. I'm now considering adding that site as an EL, just to see how long it lasts. Maybe in early April. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

"How to" question

You have been recommended by a friend as a fount of all wisdom on Misplaced Pages - or at least someone who might know the answer to the question "how do I turn off a peer review request?" I have tried to remove it twice, and it has been replaced both times by an editor who says I can't do that. Do you know the secret handshake? If so, please tell me! The article is History of Christianity. They hated the middle section and I am having to redo it, so it doesn't need more reviewing at this time. Or am I missing something? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Jenhawk777, everything to do with peer review is terra incognita to me. Maybe ask on the page itself? (Misplaced Pages:Peer review/History of Christianity/archive1.) I see the talkpage for that hasn't been created yet, so that would probably be a dead end. Bishonen | tålk 20:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for answering. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Missing block on User talk:2600:8807:4C83:3E00:A038:E81D:8056:B389 added

I assume it was an oversight as you announced, but did not block the user. Fixed. -- Alexf 20:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for looking out for me, Alexf. Actually, using Twinkle, I ticked the "Block the /64 instead" box, which I generally like to do, and in this case there was also similar vandalism from other IPs in the /64 range, which had been blocked before very recently. (Hence my 72 hours.) See the block log for the /64. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC).

Capo Geezy

Hello Bishonen, me again. Do you think you could take a look at what's going on over at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy? And also the edit histories of User:Iamcapobroquard and User:Iamcapogeezy? You should be able to understand what's going on but if you need explanation then I can give one. Sorry if it's a lot of reading but I really do think it needs attention ASAP. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Partially handled by Isabelle Belato; User:Iamcapobroquard has been blocked but now there are two new accounts, User:Capogeezy90 and User:Dantecolombo4. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Aha, two obvious sleepers, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse; created some time ago, but only began editing today. I'll block them, but I think we need an SPI and a CheckUser to look for more sleepers. I'll try to take care of that. Bishonen | tålk 18:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

Wasn't as hard as I thought! Done, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamcapogeezy. Bishonen | tålk 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

Already dealt with by Spicy, quite a sock drawer found. Bishonen | tålk 19:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

Lovely, though I definitely wouldn't put it past them to keep this up. I suppose I should sock strike all of Capo's comments on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Also this IP raises suspicion. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, strike them if you like. I see OwenX has tagged a few with {{sockvote}}. There are more that Spicy caught, so feel free to tag those as well. Iamcapobroquard, for example, and Capogeezy90, and the IP 130.18.104.156 (partially blocked from the AfD by Isabelle Belato). And since you mentioned the possibility of an SPI, why not add a note + link for that?

So, an IPv6 removing the AfD template? Yes, that's interesting. Maybe give them a little more rope, since the SPI is closed anyway. Bishonen | tålk 21:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

Regarding a particular username

Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Can you please have a look at this username, TheLazyBot! Does it violate our username policy? Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ekdalian. Well, according to WP:MISLEADNAME it's not a good idea, but the user has been getting away with it for some time, and I find it hard to get worked up about. Perhaps we can go with WP:BADNAME: "If the name is not unambiguously problematic, it may be sensible to ignore it." Bishonen | tålk 21:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

Thank you! Ekdalian (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Manny Cid

Hello Bishonen, sorry to bother you again so soon, but maybe you could look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Manny Cid, especially the talk page? I don't know if I sound overzealous and I don't think it's really a big deal yet but something doesn't settle right with me. May be a lot of reading again, though you don't have to read the whole AfD, but MEAUSA's and LadyBugFlorida's bits may be worth reading. Any input would be greatly appreciated. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

• Well, looks like Schrodinger's jellyfish may have it under control. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, AllTheUsernames. Yes, the warning from Schrodinger's jellyfish seems about right. LadyBugFlorida is obviously someone who has read the somewhat paranoid blog about how Cid's page was "suddenly" put up for deletion, and who is unfamiliar with the culture here. So they express themselves poorly and say the wrong things — no surprise there. I'm actually more surprised at the experienced editor who accused you of "bludgeoning". And I notice even the OP, who is on that person's "side", disapproves. If you read WP:BLUDGEON, it's downright ridiculous. But it's not something that requires me to say something adminny, I don't think. It makes a poor impression, which is surely worse for them than you. (Mind you, if people don't want to engage, it's better not to ping them repeatedly.) Bishonen | tålk 14:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC).

And now I notice LadyBugFlorida has been indeffed. Oh well, I reckon it makes little difference either way. Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC).

New days, new problems

We have a not-much-of-a-newbie deleting impeccably sourced content from atop a moral high horse (or perhaps, T-Rex). There's some highly charged rhetoric about "pro-pedophilia apologists in online circles", etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh no, TrangaBellam, may I please be excused from involving myself in the Aisha nexus? It makes me so tired. WP:ANI? Bishonen | tålk 19:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC).

Ah, that is understandable - no worries! With 20/20 hindsight, it was mighty stupid of me to wade in though the section stayed almost unperturbed for a year. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Bishonen :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd rather not, thanks. Bishonen | tålk 09:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC).

That's completely fine. I hope you have a good day, regardless. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Re

That was indeed a mislick. I should probably install a confirm-rollback script since I tend to misclick a lot. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There's a confirm rollback script? Not that I need one, I don't rollback much, nor use a touch screen (the horror). But it does show that we have scripts for everything. Bishonen | tålk 17:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC).

A pie for you!

Hi, Bishonen, I just mentioned your name somewhere. So I thought to drop some wiki love here to acknowledge your efforts in dealing with sock puppets. Happy editing! Regards. Maliner (talk) 08:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that looks delicious! Bishonen | tålk 09:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC).

February music

Music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday - for sweets, scroll a bit in the places -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Aahh. Lovely, Gerda. I love this one. Bishonen | tålk 21:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC).

story · music · places

good choice - a few more, and the memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The COI and AI

I had the same hunch, but not strong enough to comment on it. The amount of text, the surprisingly quick reply, etc. How does one "know"? Do we some EARWIG-like AI-detector around, and if we don't, can we get one? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

See Doug Weller talk 11:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Bish, @Doug Weller and @AndyTheGrump for all the helpful and uplifting input. I'm keeping the AI-tools. To quote Doug's tool, "This result should not be used to directly punish students."

Andy, you're now on my wall:. Best I've heard since "I'd also add from an intellectual standpoint that I'm not really sure how we should deal with people who's claim to notability comes from us not considering them notable." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

And the response to your complaint about AI-text was more AI-text. Oh well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

There are many AI detectors, though I've also read somewhere a rather depressing test of how reliable they are (not very). Anyway, I didn't use one, I just thought it was completely obvious. Now, I've tried this one at random from Google's various suggestions, and it says Pedro's first post at WP:COIN has "100% AI content". Doug is using another one. And note that Pedro says to me, or his chatbot says, that he uses it because it makes his text better, so his use of it improves Misplaced Pages. Bishonen | tålk 11:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

• Doug has indeffed, good thinking. And Pedro, just before that, got in a complaint about AndyTheGrump telling him to fuck off. I've responded with the obvious. Anybody else? Bishonen | tålk 11:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

This made me spit my Earl Grey all over the keyboard. Thank you for the guffaw. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

A philosophical question arises. Is it even possible to make a personal attack on a chatbot? I've have to say no, since a bot isn't a person... AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Good point, Andy. Also, when I complained about Pedro's use of AI, he told me "I want to clarify that my use of AI tools is solely to enhance my text, leveraging it as the valuable resource it is". A similar argument applies to your use of bad language (and mine): it's solely to enhance our text with a valuable resource. I mean, we could have said "go away", but we chose to enhance it. Bishonen | tålk 11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

Aargh! 'Leveraging'! Management-speak flinflam at its most odious. Give me a lever and I'll gladly beat the binary bits out of the server node or whatever that generates such gloop... AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

In other words, you will use best practices to realize the strategic leveraging of synergistic assets? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I am reminded of http://wisdomofchopra.com/ Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Now there's a bullshit-bot, if ever I saw one. Though per stopped clocks it must get things right occasionally. After many attempts, it cam out with this gem: "Making tea imparts reality to personal molecules". Indeed. I rarely feel more real in my personal molecules than when I've got a steaming mug of tea in front of me. And then, the tea and I become one... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Careful, enhance is a word to watch these days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Indef required

Sourin666 waited out the block and has returned to being a IDHT-SPA. I think we need an indef. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined to believe you, TrangaBellam, but it's all so complicated! @Sitush:, are you there? @Vanamonde93:? Bishonen | tålk 16:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

Well, they're insisting that text needs to be changed without recognizing that they need to support that with RS. But they're not engaging in PAs any more that I can see. I'd suggest a little more rope, but an indef could be justified on the basis that competence is required, and they don't have it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, I'd say they have half of a legitimate grievance buried in there; the cited source clearly supports what's in the article at present, but it also says that they (like many other Dalit groups) attempted to claim a caste identity for themselves. I don't really want to do a caste warrior's work for them, but the movement at least seems worthy of coverage, even if it's hasn't had the results they'd want. And it doesn't obviate the untouchability claim, of course. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Vanamonde, I love you. Bishonen | tålk 16:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

I live for the mighty 'zilla's love. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Ofcourse, their movement is worthy of coverage but Sourin666 seeks that our article (1) stop using the term 'Pod', (2) mention the caste as a Kshatriya, and (3) remove the fact of the Pods/Poundras being historically subject to untouchability. I can perhaps see where they are coming from — though with some skepticism in light of increasing attempts by certain political factions to downplay aspects of a deeply unegalitarian past — but Misplaced Pages is not the place for it. Also, I am also reminded of Janaki Nair's incisive essay (p. 243 - 246); esp. the third challenge. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with any of that, am I? Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

But you are (kind of) opposing an immediate indef, meaning that the time-sink goes on ... TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam Not for much longer, it won't. I have weighed in there. - Sitush (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)