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I try to keep conversations threaded. I generally reply to posts here on this page. Usually if I post on your talk page I watchlist you.

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Hello and welcome

Hello Ideogram, Welcome to Misplaced Pages.
Thank you for the very kind message you left for me. It came as a very pleasant and welcome surprise. I think Misplaced Pages has a lot of potential, although it has its detractors, but I'm glad you've decided to make up your own mind about it and the best way to do that is to get involved. In the long run things usually work out well, and there are lot of very capable and dedicated editors here that ensure the integrity of the project is protected as much as possible. (The abilities of the various monkeys here are diverse but the mix seems to work.) Please let me know if there's anything you ever need help with and I look forward to hearing from you. Once again, welcome! Rossrs 00:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Archives

to 17 Jun 2006. Ideogram 05:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

to 21 Jun 2006. Ideogram 23:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

to 26 Jun 2006. Ideogram 11:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

to 07 Sep 2006. Ideogram 12:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

to 17 Nov 2006. Ideogram 12:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

to 07 Feb 2007. Ideogram 14:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

to 08 Mar 2007. Ideogram 08:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I dropped NE2 a note

I agree that he shouldn't be deleting those comments. But they are mild personal attacks. WP:NPA. Please stop making them. Georgewilliamherbert 09:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't expect it will continue, but I hope you realize he expressed contempt for the entire GA process. --Ideogram 09:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop removing comments. You have removed M3tal H3ad's comment twice. --NE2 09:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. --Ideogram 09:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That would appear to be accidental as a side effect of editing back to the last version before you deleted his comments. However, it's correct that an editor has a responsibility not to undo other edits needlessly.

Also, WP:3RR, both of you. Georgewilliamherbert 09:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Near-3RR violation

You have violated 3RR on Culture of Taiwan. However, due to your self-revert, you now stand at three reverts on the page. Please discuss contested changes on the talk page instead of in edit summaries. —physicq (c) 22:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Taiwanese film

Hi please allow time for the Lists of film to develop. I promise eventually we'll have a great documental list of the cinema of each country completed. THat list os now encyclopedic providing details in a film chronology -very good for understanding Taiwanese cinema THankyou ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 14:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Life

You wrote "What can I say, I have no life". I wish that you can feel entirely good about contributing here. If you choose this to be your life, what's wrong with that? I've seen this argument so often used as a here as an allround cudgel (albeit not against me) that it makes me sick. If someone said that to me, I'd say "Are you leading such a perfect life that you need to tell others what to do with their lives?", or something like that. — Sebastian 00:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I enjoy insulting myself. I am actually quite happy contributing to Misplaced Pages. --Ideogram 00:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

:-)

BTW, I just joined IRC, but it looks quite dead to me. Can you see the three lines I entered? — Sebastian 01:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Certified.Gangsta

Hi, Ideogram, I've seen this thread about Certified.Gangsta (talk · contribs) on WP:ANI: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Certified.Gangsta and I believe his disruptive behavior such as revert warring against consensus has gone too far. I believe it is time to file a RFC against Certified.Gangsta. I think there is enough evidence and users to support this RFC. You can reply here. Regards, LionheartX 13:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any point talking to Bishonen about Certified.Gangsta. --Sumple (Talk) 11:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Editor review

Thank you for your review. It is sincerely appreciated. I am not sure I would like to be an admin, but I am certainly interested in continuing my efforts in dispute resolution. However, I am a bit adverse to looking towards WP:MEDCOM, simply because I have a strong preference for an open DR process. I am unsure I would be comfortable with the high level of secrecy required in MEDCOM. I know this may limit my DR "career" a bit in Misplaced Pages, but with MEDCAB, 3O, peer review and RFC, it seems as though I can still remain quite active and provide a solid contribution. I have been taking a "buffet" approach to some extant because I'm trying to immerse myself a bit more in the broader Misplaced Pages world and find my place. So far, I've found WP:XFD and dispute resolution to be very interesting and accomodating to me, and I will probably continue to expand my participation in those areas. I've checked out WP:CEM at your suggestion and it certainly seems interesting, though I have some reservations. Per both reviews I've thus far received, I will likely look towards spending a little time each day on RC patrol. Thank you also for your many kind compliments, though I think you may give me more credit than I am due. Thank you again for your feedback. Vassyana 15:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I personally also prefer MedCab's approach over MedCom, but there are many mediators who view MedCab as a stepping-stone to MedCom and there is nothing wrong with that. I am glad to have helped you. --Ideogram 02:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

LaRouche Intro MedCab case

Why did you change the status to "closed"? It isn't even close to being resolved. Also, is it proper for SlimVirgin to remove her name as one of the parties to the dispute? --Tsunami Butler 20:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This case is not being mediated as part of MedCab. Anyone can remove themselves from the list of parties. --Ideogram 20:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did you change the status to "closed"? --Tsunami Butler 14:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I told you, it's not part of MedCab. --Ideogram 16:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

I am ideogram on freenode and I would like the cloak wikipedia/ideogram. Thanks. --Ideogram 02:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring: Ideogram and Certified.Gangsta

Copied to both talk pages.

Glancing at your recent edits I notice that you've both been edit warring quite a lot over the past few days on at least two articles: Michelle Marsh ( ) and Culture of Taiwan .

This isn't the sort of behavior we expect from established editors, and it certainly isn't helping to build a consensus on article content. Please avoid further edit warring and use the talk page to seek agreement. Because you're both edit warring on unrelated articles, it also looks as if you may both have a personal conflict. If so, I recommend that you both attempt to resolve that by mediation. --Tony Sidaway 17:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been trying to discuss with him but he does not respond. --Ideogram 17:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

No personal attacks please

The community has had a lot of patience with you, but it may run out if you keep behaving this atrociously. What, for instance, do you mean by posting a lying personal attack on my page some nine or ten hours after I asked you not to post on it at all? "Do not revert war"— what's that supposed to mean? I don't revert war. (But you obviously do.) I reverted you once. Bishonen | talk 21:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

You call that a personal attack? That's insane. And I thought you were the one who didn't think people should be blocked for personal attacks. --Ideogram 21:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Bish claiming to speak for the community is just laughable. --Ideogram 22:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

oh pfft "the community". Certified.Gangsta fanclub community, perhaps. --Sumple (Talk) 00:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Certified.Gangsta

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that a second person has certified the basis for this dispute, so the RfC is now approved. Accordingly, you may wish to make a statement outlining your point of view or add additional evidence to the page. Hopefully moving things into the formal dispute resolution process will centralize discussion and minimize bloodshed.--Danaman5 04:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that, thanks. I will add more information soon but I am kind of tired right now. --Ideogram 04:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it would be helpful to dig up all the diffs of C.G deleting well-meaning discussion/warnings etc from his talk page? It could evidence his unwillingness to discuss/heed warnings etc. There's a tonne of the stuff, I think. --Sumple (Talk) 23:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I can do that. But I'll wait to see if he's coming back. --Ideogram 23:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

People's Republic of China...

...has a broken ref, specifically #18.--Rmky87 18:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

What's going on?

Ideogram, I don't know who you are... Are you some kind of moderator?

Why are you threatening to block me? Have you read the revisions that I've made? I'm the one who has provided sources and justifications for my changes, which rectify erroneous information. Why are they not getting the warning for reverting without justification or support? I don't commit vandalism. I only make changes to correct inaccuracies that are largely beyond dispute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Penser (talk • contribs) 02:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

A Bit Harsh

A bit harsh! You went straight to Template:Uw-delete3! What about assuming good faith? From now on Ideogram, I recommend Template:Uw-delete1 to start! Your own user pages says Assume good faith. I dont want to ask you again, So please calm down. Thankyou Paulhitthewall 02:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

People's Republic of China

Ideogram, what's the deal with editing the page? How come you reverted my deletion of the listing of the dynasties in the table on the PRC page with no justification? How come you threaten me, saying that I should be banned from editing when you refuse to justify your changes?

You seemed to indicate that some kind of consensus is needed. On the discussion page I posted the following below, and have received no arguments finding fault with my reasoning. Can I delete the irrelevant information about other governments in China, or will you revert it without explanation and threaten me again?

My points:

I don't believe this information is relevant to an article about the People's Republic of China. That would be completely appropriate to the article about China, but this is specifically about the People's Republic, i.e. under communist rule. Thus, the salient date is the founding of the PRC in 1949.Penser 12:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Penser

For example, if you look at the page for the Soviet Union, it only includes the dates when Russia was under Communist control. It doesn't include all important dates in Russian history, because that's not relevant to the period of Soviet control, which is what the article is about. Penser 13:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Penser

Penser 07:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)Penser

Don't put this here. You need to convince the other editors of the article. Put it on Talk:People's Republic of China. --Ideogram 07:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Taiwan-ROC mass moves

Hi. Have you provided rationals for these mass moves? Is this being discussed somewhere central? Thanks. El_C 18:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are being discussed at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject China#Naming conventions. --Ideogram 20:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. El_C 20:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

209.43.23.38

Thank you for making a report about 209.43.23.38 (talk · contribs · block log) on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Misplaced Pages and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you! —dgies_c 20:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Gangsta

so what's going on with gangsta's rfc? I think he's BSing about holiday. Blueshirts 16:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The RFC will stay open for a while and people can comment on it. I see he just came back, which is not a surprise. But I don't think he will be able to accomplish anything. --Ideogram 07:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

John Profumo

Hi Ideogram. Please note that WP:3RR is not tolerated on Misplaced Pages, and any statement about living persons must be sourced per WP:WLP. All future infractions may bring a WP:BLOCK, so please be careful. Thank you. Xiner (talk, email) 15:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

GR promoted to FA

I don't know whether you've looked at Gwoyeu Romatzyh recently, but it was promoted to FA earlier today. Many thanks indeed for your thoughtful comments on the article, which have helped us bring it up to FA standard. All the best, --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 11:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Do not violate consensus

Stop violate decisions made by the community at CFD and DRV. - Privacy 17:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because the category exists doesn't mean there is consensus for what articles belong in it. --Ideogram 17:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Read the opinion of the community. - Privacy 17:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't say what you think. --Ideogram 18:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't pretend they didn't say. Just that you don't agree with them. - Privacy 18:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Where is this list subpage you speak of? Colipon+(T) 21:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It's been transcluded onto the main WikiProject China talk page, so you can still see it, but edits to that section go to a subpage which won't show up on your watchlist unless you watchlist that subpage. --Ideogram 22:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you give me a link to this "sub-page"? Colipon+(T) 22:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject China/Naming Conventions. --Ideogram 22:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E importance scale

Awww, you changed it to its proper importance level. It was hilarious telling people that the article was listed as higher importance than the Geography of Taiwan while it lasted. Thanks for the change though. ;) - Pandacomics 11:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Project suggestion

Thanks for your kind words. I'll bear Rom of Chin in mind next time I feel like undertaking a project! All the best. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 20:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Certified.Gangsta-Ideogram

A request for arbitration has been filed. As a named party you will probably want to comment on the proposal. Durova 06:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)