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	So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be intercepted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". ] (]) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)		So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be intercepted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". ] (]) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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			It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. ]. ] (]) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Catharine of Cleves

I am little confused. Wasn't County of Eu independent fief of the French crown until 1472 and later incorporated in the French royal domain? If even then she was able to succeed she would have succeed on 6 Sep 1564 when her brother died. Her father died on 13 February 1561, her oldest brother François II, Duke of Nevers on 19 December 1562 and her older brother Jacques on 6 September 1564 when she and her sister would inherit family titles. 109.245.95.24 (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I Removed Her S302921 (talk) 18:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Missing photos

For a photo to be added to a Misplaced Pages article, does it need to be available on Wikimedia Commons?If necessary, this discussion is over.But, if that's not the case: Researching monarchs without a visual representation in the list, I found some photos and paintings representing them. Would there be any way to add them to the article? Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

As long as they're free to use and not in violation of any copyright, Yes they are Indeed. S302921 (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hassanal Bolkiah

It has recently came to my Attention that only a Total of less than 50 days are left before he enters the First List. Apparently Brunei was a British Protectorate until 1984 but the Chinese Misplaced Pages also states that Brunei was Technically sovereign as early as 1959 due to constitution related Reasons so the Details remain unclear here really. Also like should we start a RFC on this? Should him and his reign be included in the First List? 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Brunei page says Brunei became independent in 1984, so he's not an independent monarch, so he shouldn't be on here until 2039. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Hassanal Bolkiah certainly doesn't belong in the top list. His reign as monarch of an sovereign state, didn't begin until the mid-1980s. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protection

We probably need to semi-protect this page considering the amount of edits that's been made to this page nowadays. This topic is fairly political and can be controversial so I think it would be better to have editors be semi-confirmed. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. GoodDay (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Link to request: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase#List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Sobhuza II

So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be intercepted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". 2601:249:9301:D570:B52E:5F5A:4889:7D69 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Clean-Up

It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. user:Yourlocallordandsavior. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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