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Date script not working

This is the one. What happened? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:34, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads up, it's maintenance gone wrong. I'm attempting to fix it. -- Ohc  16:45, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Brian Kan

Thanks for the intervention. 124.217.188.240 (talk) 12:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding changes on article Massin Kevin Labidi

Hi Ohconfucius, thank you for your contribution to this article. Can you please let me know if there is an issue of having Netherlands flag on this article? Dineee90 (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

dashes.js is suddenly broken

Something you changed in the last couple days may have broken the dashes.js script. I minus sign no longer appears at the page top... just "auto ed." There talk about it at User talk:Ohconfucius/dashes.js. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm seeing the same thing... use this amazing script all the time! Hope it can be fixed. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Now fixed. Many thanks to User:William Avery for the workaround proposed. -- Ohc  11:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Still broken for me using Chrome. Microsoft Edge is also broken. Used shift-reload to reset the cache and it didn't work. No "-" at the page top, only "an auto ed" that brings up "AutoEd/core.js: autoEdFunctions is undefined". Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

The fix I applied was to User:Ohconfucius/dashes.js and not to the original script, which you have loaded. You need to ensure that my updated version is being imported in your common file. -- Ohc  22:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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MOSNUM Script

Hi. Thanks for the script! Are changes like ] to 1979, and ] to 1974, from Special:Diff/1112468928 an intended effect of the script? There are loads of these types of link in snooker articles. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Script exception

Hi. Could you add an exception to the dash script so it wont break the {{Israel populations|Tel Aviv - Yafo}} template? Thanks. –Daveout(talk) 23:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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monomyn issue in script

Hi Ohconfucius, it doesn't fit grammatically in a lot of cases: Tony (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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Where should I ask for help on using MOSNUM_dates script?

Hello,

I've come across the use of the script User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM_dates

I'd appreciate a pointer as to where I can ask for help in using the script bearing in mind that I've no idea how to use scripts to edit Misplaced Pages - I have had a look at the MOSNUM_dates page and just run into a brick wall (there are too many terms used of which I have negligible or less understanding).

In particular, I'd like to learn how to use the script to force the use of yyyy-mm-dd in access and archive dates in article citations (in line with Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Consistency).

(I did read that "Users are invited to manually add |cs1-dates= parameter to {{Use dmy dates}} or {{Use mdy dates}} causing applicable dates to be rendered in 2024-12-26 YMD format" but I can't work out what that means.)

Thank you.

Michael F 1967 (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Issue with dashes script

Hi Ohconfucius! This edit to Vicenza (made by Kj cheetham) broke the comment in the reference, so I have reverted it. Could you please tweak the script to avoid this in the future? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Good spot, I hadn't noticed that when I skimmed over the proposed changes! -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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American English script false positive

Hi! It's been a while. Are you still maintaining the ENGVAR conversion scripts? I just got a false positive with the name Schelling when converting to American English. Test it on Schelling's model of segregation. Cheers, MClay1 (talk) 13:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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Updates to an info box on the PCCW page

Hi Ohconfucius. I disclosed a conflict of interest and proposed an infobox for the Lenovo PCCW Solutions sub-section of the PCCW page. You can see my requests here. I saw that you were one of the largest contributors to the page and was hoping you might be willing to take a look at my request. Let me know. Best regards. StuartGill (talk) 17:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Flag script

Hi! I've been trying to get rid of the flag overload in this page, and thought the FLAG –> COUNTRY option would do that for me. But it doesn't – am I doing it wrong, or is there a glitch with the script? Or is the page perhaps too large? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I had the same problem. See User talk:Ohconfucius/script#Is the flagcruft script working?. – Pbrks  21:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Sentence spacing

Hi -- would you be willing to disable the part of your general formatting script that turns two spaces between sentences into a single space? I've had to revert this several times on various articles when other editors have edited articles I'm the primary editor for, and then re-add the other useful parts of the edit. It's a cosmetic edit that has no effect on the displayed article, and it's something that is always intentional on the part of the editor who wrote the article -- who is usually the person who's going to go on and do further work on it. I know this has come up before, and I don't know if you have a reason for not removing this functionality, or just haven't got around to it, but I would really appreciate it if you could cut this. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:12, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Just reverted another of these: this edit appears to have been done with your script. Would you please remove this functionality? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:47, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Just saw that you fixed this. Thank you! I really appreciate it and I know there are others who feel the same way. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Happy editing! Regards, -- Ohc  19:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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MOSNUM and MOS:ORDER

(continued from User Talk:GiantSnowman) I'll see if I can suggest something but as I said my plate is full for the next couple of weeks. If we just pay attention to Short Description I think that would handle the majority of the cases; templates in the {{For}} class may be harder. David Brooks (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I just remembered this offer, and it was actually ridiculously easy to fix. The necessary tweak was already coded, on line 845 in Step 3. So at User:DavidBrooks/script/MOSNUM dates.js, I inserted a new line 835 (removing the semicolon on line 834). @GiantSnowman:, do you want to try loading my version instead to see if it works for you? David Brooks (talk) 05:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

First, I apologize for the implied criticism in "ridiculously easy". I feel like I spent most of my career poking at the dusty corners of other peoples' code. Second, I'll dig around the script API to see if I can place the Use... templates in the right place according to MOS:ORDER, but don't hold your breath. David Brooks (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

How does one add the code again please? I'm not that tech savvy... GiantSnowman 18:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Edit User:GiantSnowman/common.js, and on line 6 replace User:Ohconfucius with User:DavidBrooks. Follow the "bypass your browser's cache" instructions. If it looks good and Ohconfucius adopts the tweak, undo that edit because I'll probably be playing with my copy. David Brooks (talk) 23:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and I discovered while implementing this quick fix: the code to put the SD first is executed when the script finds a "Use..." template already in place. In other words, even with the official version, clicking the "DATES to..." link twice will do the trick. And a Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate this and are checking WP today! David Brooks (talk) 16:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I have done that - as a semi-Canadian I celebrated a few weeks ago... GiantSnowman 15:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The new script does not work in a situation where {{good article}} is present, see this which I have now manually corrected. GiantSnowman 15:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It was only intended as a quick fix for when the Use... template is prepended to a Short Description that was previously on the first line, which I think was the source of most of the complaints. In the cited case, the SD was previously on line 2 (the fix would have exhibited the same behavior with any hatnote or other text that appeared before the SD). I'm thinking through a more complex fix that would place the Use... template in the "right" order, but my JS coding has corroded so it'll take time. David Brooks (talk) 16:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Heads-up: in a few hours I'll upload an update to my version (I didn't want to spring it without warning). It will try to put any new Use... template towards the end of the head templates, where it belongs; its analysis is pragmatic without semantic analysis (that's a job for AWB) but seems mostly right. As a bonus, it will move Short Description to the top if possible. There is a potential edge case where it might break syntax, but I've never seen it in practice. There is a possibility of a full-line comment put in the wrong place, which I could probably fix. Otherwise, once I upload it, Ohconfucius and GiantSnowman, and anyone else who's listening, please let me know of any problems. David Brooks (talk) 15:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Will do - thanks for all your work on this. GiantSnowman 18:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, many thanks indeed. I've now copied it over to my production and test scripts. Simple though the change may have been, it would have taken me a month of Sundays . Regards,

Sorry to mislead; when I said "in a few hours" I didn't expect visitors who have just left :-). I've uploaded the version I described just now; it is significantly different from the version you have. @GiantSnowman: can you give it a try? David Brooks (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Because of focusing on Use..., I only just noticed that script-assisted EngVarB additions also put it on the first line. Not sure when I'll have time to look at that, but the "proper" fix would likely be to factor out the new code and add it to your utils. David Brooks (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Do I need additional code in my common.js? GiantSnowman 17:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: No, but it won't do any harm to purge it as before. David Brooks (talk) 17:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed/realized that the existing code will be thrown off by a {{Multiple Issues}} box near the top. No great harm, but the Use... template will appear on the line before that box, probably violating MOS:ORDER. I'll look into a safe fix, although I recognize this is going far beyond the original charge to only worry about Short Description. David Brooks (talk) 01:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Error located at here - where it doesn't add the tag. GiantSnowman 19:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Thanks. I had made a last-minute change that resulted in it not working when there were no template calls before the text body started; my bad. Fixed (purge again). David Brooks (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Grand, thanks. GiantSnowman 21:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version with logic to handle a Multiple Issues block. I can think of three unusual cases where it will still put the Use... template in the wrong place, and plan to fix one that I came across in testing random articles. @GiantSnowman: Enjoy. David Brooks (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Lovely, thanks. GiantSnowman 16:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

One more change uploaded. It addresses a rare piece of syntax, but I hope it didn't cause regressions. As usual, purge the cache for User:DavidBrooks/script/MOSNUM dates.js.

Ohconfucius, I could do the same with EngvarB if you want. But it would make sense to not duplicate the format inclusion logic; I could put it in MOSNUM_utils.js, but that doesn't seem logical. Or, as EngvarB doesn't seem to be used much, just use the original simple one-line fix for putting Short Desc on top? David Brooks (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The updated script has had enough testing now (I made a last-minute tweak to cover a possible case I have never seen, nor am likely to, but I tested it anyway). Would you be so kind as to copy User:DavidBrooks/script/MOSNUM dates.js and then inform GiantSnowman, who is still actively using mine. Thanks. David Brooks (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Just let me know what I need to do and when! GiantSnowman 18:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

New message from Aaron Liu

Aaron Liu (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add Use British English to articles instead of EngvarB

EngvarB is only supposed to be used when an article's English variant cannot be identified but clearly does not use American or Canadian English. It's in the documentation. IPs are people too 🇺🇸🦅 20:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

• @IPs are people too:I think you're trying to teach grandma to suck eggs ;-) -- Ohc  23:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know what that means, but I think I should be offended. IPs are people too 🇺🇸🦅 23:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

  @IPs are people too:Take offence if you must, but all I meant was that I've been deeply involved with this project of unifying spellings, including the addition of ENGVAR tags to articles, from the very start, so your advice may just be a little misdirected. -- Ohc  09:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

  (talk page watcher) @IPs are people too The phrase is explained in its own article. PamD 16:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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Not overlink

Hi. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and YouTube are not OVERLINKs. Please remove them from your script. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

• User:InfiniteNexus: I beg to disagree. It would depend on the article, for sure. But when navigating, one often sees at least one of these links appearing on a substantial number of articles, particularly in the references section. That indicates serious overlinking to me. -- Ohc  21:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

  Things that have been introduced in recent history are rarely considered overlinks unless they are so ubiquitous that even those in rural parts of the world would likely have heard of it, for example the Internet. But if you disagree, can you at least give users the ability to "opt out" of certain words? InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

  Also came here to raise concerns about YouTube, Facebook, etc being considered OVERLINK. May I ask what you mean by in the references section? ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 18:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  I once again ask that you give users the ability to have a list of terms to "opt-out" of, if you are unwilling to remove them from the script outright. I have noticed more and more links that do not really qualify as overlinks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• I don't agree that they're reasonable links. Anyone in the world using the English WP is going to know what they are. Tony (talk) 08:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

  But they aren't universal concepts. This is essentially recentism. But since there is disagreement, I have already proposed a compromise to allow users to opt-out of certain phrases that they do not consider OVERLINKs. Does that sound reasonable to you? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

  Well, no. First prove that such links attract more than a nano-scopic number of hits. No one wants to read a sea of blue in WP articles. Our job as editors is to ration linking to the most likely hits. Tony (talk) 00:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  "Nano-scopic"?? These articles are consistently at the top of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Technology/Popular pages. To reiterate, things that have been introduced in recent history rarely qualify as overlinks. An overlink is something that is understood near-universally, even in the farthest corners of the world. Things like sky, ocean, morning, humor, purple, knife, friendship, circle. Proper nouns that are overlinks are typically countries, cities, languages, and (some) celestial bodies. Never companies or people (, and definitely not websites. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, there's even a list of proper nouns considered overlinks at WP:OL: countries, geographic features, locations, languages, nationalities, ethnicities or descent, and religions. Notice how it doesn't include websites, no matter how high they are ranked on Alexa. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for reminding me that website is potentially überlinked. Of course there will always be a few articles where links you are seeking to ringfence are "useful", but most people would have heard of the GAFAM enough to warrant not linking in 53k articles. I don't think an opt-out would be appropriate. Many would be links to reference sections,, such as Adrian Lamo, Billy Bob Thornton, Columba or Duke Nukem 3D. Furthermore, I would challenge anyone to justify how such a link is germane in articles such as Dana Rohrabacher (and I'm only on the first page of links to Facebook).

  The same would apply to links to say United States of America, Canada or India, which may be "interesting" . The count of 602 here would seem a lot more reasonable; I dare say most are likely to be germane in this last case. -- Ohc  21:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• Yah, and don't forget, Nexus, that the one in 10 million readers of an article who do want to check out the article on Facebook, etc, can simply spend five seconds typing it into the search box. We don't cater for uber-lazy readers. Tony (talk) 04:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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New user of scripts

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Precious anniversary

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Fixed scripts

Hi: I don't know if you saw above, but I am comfortable with User:DavidBrooks/script/MOSNUM dates.js if you want to copy it. Some users, especially GiantSnowman, have been checking it out.

I also did a simpler change to User:DavidBrooks/script/EngvarB.js, just to keep Short Description on the top using the same technique as my first version of the MOSNUM script. It seems fine. David Brooks (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Yep, the new script works fine, no issues that I can recall. GiantSnowman 10:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Sources updates

Hi, I have another (smaller) list of maintenance requests:

User:Ohconfucius/script/Sources/Request for Change (RFC)

Thanks as always,
Eric Dawnseeker2000 01:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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"Pull request"

I've noticed that the dashes.js script does not work when syntax highlighting is enabled. This appears to be because a single textarea element is not used in the editor when syntax highlighting is enabled. The script assumes that there is a single textarea (wpTextbox1).

What I did to fix this is to disable syntax highlighting before editing the source, and then re-enable syntax highlighting afterwards. (I haven't tried it with dashes.js, but it does work on a test script I made. Also I'm not sure mw-editbutton-code-mirror is the correct id to use, but you get the point).

const highlightButton = $("#mw-editbutton-codemirror").find("a");
const highlight = highlightButton.attr('aria-pressed');
if (highlight === "true") {
	// Disable syntax highlighting
	highlightButton.click();
}
...
if (highlight=== "true") {
	// Re-enable syntax highlighting
	highlightButton.click();
}

—Panamitsu (talk) 01:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Fix Sources error message

Hi Ohconfucius, On any article when I try and use the Fix Sources script it now brings up the following error message:
Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010 15:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I have fixed the bugs. Regards,  Ohc  08:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Scripts down

Hi, I've contacted the two users who've been editing in my vector space over the past week: User_talk:Amorymeltzer#My_scripts_don't_work_any_more and User_talk:Ladsgroup#My_scripts_don't_work_any_more. Tony (talk) 08:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Issues with the Engvar script being reported elsewhere

Hello, @Ohconfucius:! I see you've been active again and fixing the bugs reported here. Would you be able to look at the bugs reported here as well? Some are pretty old. Thank you for sharing and maintaining these scripts; I've found them immensely useful! — voidxor 00:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Ohconfucius/dashes.js spaces after pipes in CS1 templates

Hi Ohconfucius, I recently notes some edits using your script that have been removing spaces before pipes in CS1 templates. For example, this diff made (among others) the following change:

Having spaces before pipes is the recommendation from {{Cite web}}, and I find that by removing the spaces, we often end up with a long set of parameters with no spaces that causes the line to bunch up in the source editor (especially if a url parameter is near other one-word parameters). Could this be revisited/updated? I don't necessarily consider this a "bug" but happy to submit it to bug reports if you'd prefer. Thanks, Consigned (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding EngvarB.js

Hi, it is regarding some issues with the EngvarB.js script. What I've noticed is that amongst (xyx) gets rendered as among(xyx) and whilst (xyx) as while(xyx), that is no spaces. And judgement becomes ejudgs. Please have a look. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, thanks for picking those up. I've fixed the script.  Ohc  17:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)