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Merge proposal for Neo Geo Pocket/Color

I propose merging Neo Geo Pocket Color with Neo Geo Pocket (mono). I attempted to find more information on Neo Geo Pocket (mono) to see if it was notable on its own, but I couldn't find much. It only existed for one year, released 9 titles, and was immediately replaced by its color version. On top of that, only released in Japan and Hong Kong apparently. it reminds me of the WonderSwan where both the mono and the color version are under one article.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

bumpBlue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
I think the best course of action is to be bold. If anyone objects, I'm happy to discuss it further.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
I support it. The mono is pretty short as is. Sergecross73 msg me 18:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Opinions on notability of Free Fire (video game)

This article gets a great deal of traffic, but I happened to notice that most of the sources are either unreliable or trivial. I am having serious trouble finding anything that would show it passed GNG in the slightest. Since it appears to be so major, I am looking for a second opinion as to whether it is notable, especially as it was made under dubious circumstances (the original creator is blocked). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

The article is a mess, but I see focused sustained coverage by reliable sources already in use, including (just going down the list): Straits Times (a newspaper), Sensor Tower (an accepted source on mobile statistics), Pocket Gamer, GameSpot, IGN (numerous editions), Dot Esports (not my favorite source but we accept it as reliable), Game Pressure, Esports Insider, all the usual Valnet suspects, News 18 (newspaper), Yahoo, ANN, The Verge, TechCrunch (an inconclusive). Notably, I didn't list the multiple Indian newspapers, as some of them are under active discussion as generally unreliable, such as the Times of India, but they are all present. There's nothing dubious about the creation: The editor was blocked years later for unrelated concerns. -- ferret (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  • The article definitely needs a lot of cleanup, and it may or may not have a tainted edit history needing WP:TNT, but the article topic itself is so far beyond the notability threshold that it's almost absurd to see someone questioning it. Literally the most downloaded game for years straight, in the top DAU along with Roblox, it's one of, if not the, most played game on the planet, with endless sources in English and otherwise. Sources like https://www.gamesindustry.biz/how-garena-free-fire-plans-to-stand-out-from-the-battle-royale-crowd almsot single-handedly cover any notability concerns. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 20:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    Well, that's... kinda why I asked. I figured it was notable, I just couldn't pinpoint the sources. I guess that's what I get for having the gall to ask a simple question... ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    Was going to say, you could have used WP:AFD instead, only to realise it would almost certainly result in a (speedy/snow) keep. It would have been funny to see like 10 keeps and 0 deletes. JuniperChill (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    To be honest Zxcvbnm, what reads as a "simple question" from a new editor who may not be able to tell what sources are reliable reads very differently coming from someone who has been here for a decade, and one who frequently creates and defends articles on marginally-notable subjects. Specifically, it reads as low-key confusing. --PresN 21:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    You may assume it is super obvious, but even a small look into the sources reveals most are not significant coverage. For example, the aforementioned Straits Times article is about an esports event concerning the game, not the game itself, while Sensor Tower's mention is fairly trivial. Pocket Gamer is also completely trivial, while GameSpot is a mere announcement. Ferret mentioned the fact that the sites are reliable but not the idea that the game has actual SIGCOV necessary for GNG, which is the main reason I posed this question. Dismissing it offhand because the game is popular or reliable sources exist in the article (regardless of their content) is not super helpful. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
    Sounds like it would be an in-depth project just to start an AfD discussion with a detailed analysis of why the sources given do not establish full WP:N. I would respect such an effort. I don't WT:VG can really help much though; on first glance the sources look fine. Do you want someone else to compile the detailed analysis for you? Note that you can start an AfD even if you aren't entirely certain yet. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
    Oh, I'll add: dedicated reviews are not a requirement for a work to have an article dedicated to it. Free media doesn't really require reviews in the same way that paid products do, and therefore might not be subject to reviews as such. This is something to keep in mind when trying to argue notability. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
    Yeah, I feel like I will have to do a full source-analysis, was just wondering if people could discover some obvious sources I wasn't seeing. But with the response being "well duuy! They're right there!" It seems it may be necessary, lol. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal for an alternate approach to splitting platform-based video game lists

As it stands, certain platform-based video game lists (ex. List of PlayStation games (A–L), List of Nintendo DS games (0–C)) are overwhelmingly large, and the alphabet-based method of dividing them seems arbitrary in where exactly the splits are made. Over at the Japanese Wiki, I've noticed that their video game lists for the most prolific platforms are divided by year rather than alphabetically, which from my point of view seems more efficient; apart from divisions by release year being more objective, each of the lists for, example, the PlayStation number in the few hundreds, which is a sufficient size without being either scant or daunting. I figured I'd run this approach by the Project and hopefully put it into consideration as a potential method of overhauling these lists for the sake of making them more manageable. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's "more objective" persay, since release years can be confusing if they can differ by years. Someone who's sure that a DS game came out in 2006, for example, would be confused that it's not in there, since they don't know it was originally released in 2005. Harryhenry1 (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Another thing to point out is that Japanese games typically get a earlier release in Japan than in other regions. For example, Final Fantasy XIII came out in 2009 in Japan but wouldn't see a worldwide release until 2010. That might get a little confusing. Famous Hobo (talk) 05:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, some games have different release years depending on the region and that would get really confusing really quickly. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

In-game dialogue as a source

I used a lot of tutorial dialogue to source gameplay elements in the Spark the Electric Jester and Spark the Electric Jester 2 articles. I did this after looking at the Sonic After the Sequel article and figured it was fine; it didn't seem to be a problem in the GA nomination process for both articles either. I don't see much difference between citing something like an in-game tutorial and an instruction manual, but I rarely see articles do the former so I'm wondering if this is problematic. Although the games are lean on coverage I could definitely rewrite the gameplay sections for both to omit details sourced from the dialogue. To be honest I feel like these games only borderline meet notability so I'm admittedly worried about drawing attention to this, but I'd rather rip that bandage off now. I just wanna be sure what the future of these articles will be and if they're problematic in any way. LBWP (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Based on the current sources, I'd agree with the assessment of both being borderline. We've deleted plenty of articles before with only a couple SIGCOV in reliable sources and those don't seem much different. They're both at extreme risk of deletion, IMO.
Sourcing things to ingame dialog isn't technically bad, but if you have to do it for the gameplay, it usually means that the significant coverage needed to fully flesh out the article doesn't exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Well, I didn't necessarily have to do it for the gameplay, but I wanted to describe it greater detail so I went with the in-game refs. I've played around with omitting details sourced from the games in sandbox and they could definitely still exist, I just wouldn't be able to describe some specific attacks or mechanics. You'd still be getting a satisfactory outline of the gameplay, and I'd be willing to implement those changes in the articles if enough people had a problem with it. Regardless, I'll stick exclusively to secondary sources for a Spark the Electric Jester 3 article. That's apparently coming to Switch soon so game journalists will finally be forced to pay attention to this series lmfao. LBWP (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  1. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/spark-the-electric-jester-is-more-than-mere-homage
  2. https://hardcoregamer.com/previews/spark-the-electric-jester-is-a-shockingly-fine-platformer/160521/
  3. https://www.siliconera.com/genesis-style-platformer-spark-the-electric-jester-should-be-out-early-2016/
A lot of the time when seeing if something meets the WP:GNG, someone will ask you for your best WP:THREE examples. I believe this lineup would probably keep you from getting the article deleted if anyone ever tried... Sergecross73 msg me 18:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
The last one, from Siliconera, I would argue is not SIGCOV. It's simply an announcement listing the game's devteam, there's no analysis or critique there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
It's an RS writing an article dedicated entirely to the subject. To each their own, but I've saved articles at AFD with less. Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Article rejected based on sources

Please see below: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Goodboy_Galaxy

How is NintendoLife for example not a reliable secondary source in regards to video games? Oz346 (talk) 12:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I particularly agree with that rejection, but it's not exactly a home run either. There's very little content and only a handful of reliable sources. Nintendo life is reliable, but barely and not exactly high quality. Eurogamer and Time Extension are both reliable sources, but the articles are pretty brief. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Nintendo Life is listed as a reliable source at WP:VG/S. Vacant0 (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The same goes for TechRadar, EuroGamer and Time Extension. Vacant0 (talk) 13:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Nintendo Life is a reliable source but Time Extension review is the only one I'd call significant coverage, others are just short announcements. Retro101 is not a reliable source. --Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles for creation is generally voluntary. As long as you don't have a conflict of interest, you're not being paid, or something like that, you can just move the article into mainspace yourself. However, if there isn't significant coverage, the article is likely to be nominated for deletion. How much coverage is required kind of depends on the person, but this project seems to lean toward a more deletionist POV. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

FAC looking for reviews

Heyo, my FAC for Teardown is currently looking for reviews. I can reciprocate with FA/GA/PR reviews if you need. Please find the FAC at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Teardown (video game)/archive1. Cheers! IceWelder 13:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Will take a look at it. Vacant0 (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with notable sources for 'Draft:The Last Clockwinder'

My draft article for 'The Last Clockwinder' was rejected due to the references not containing significant coverage and the reviewer @Bonadea recommended asking here for help (thank you!).

This is my first attempt at an article so I'd love any help making it better! I've since found some more sources that could qualify as significant coverage - would these be considered as reliable and would they improve the article?

  1. PSU: The Last Clockwinder Review
  2. Road to Vr: ‘The Last Clockwinder’ Review – So Much More Than Just Robots Picking Fruit
  3. 6DOF: The Last Clockwinder Review
  4. Dexerto: The Last Clockwinder PS VR2 review – Virtual ingenuity at its finest
  5. The Sixth Axis: The Last Clockwinder PSVR2 Review

If not, any recommendations for what kind of articles I should use instead or where to look? JuniperLightning (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:VG/S has a massive list of sources to use or stay away from, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 15:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Seems like a notable game. Looking at Metacritic & WP:VG/S: Push Square, Multiplayer.it, Play UK, and Edge are reliable sources. --Mika1h (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

New Articles (June 17 to June 23)

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Metroid games and genres

I've seen this referenced in a few Metroid articles that suggest to read the discussion from ten (!) years ago here Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 104#FPS vs First person action adventure. While I generally agree with personally, the genre has since been applied across almost all the Metroid game articles since and most of them had no citations to back it up. This becomes especially problematic to just make a bold sweep of these, as the reception to games like Metroid Prime 3 have said that it played more like a shooter game than the others. These all require sources, and I'm surprised they lasted this long as so many of them are featured articles and good articles.

The previous discussion wasn't backed up by any sources and sort of just what I'd describe as "feeling it out", so I'm just sort of re-bringing it up as the last discussion did not come up with a solution that follows WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:SUBJECTIVE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I would think that the logical genres for most Metroid games is metroidvania, with the bulk being also platforms, while the Prime series being FPS (in the same way Portal is a puzzle game and FPS).
While action adventure may apply, the more specific subgenre of metroidvania is clear here. — Masem (t) 20:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Two points to follow these up.
  • It is not clear, because the term Metroidvania only explains what kind of game it is is you are familiar with what the genre entails, so we need sources regardless. Its also a bit an anachronism to call anything before the 2000s a metroidvania, because the term was not in use before then. This isn't a WP:SKYISBLUE moment, as most people outside people who are familiar with the topic of Metroid would know what a metroidvania is. It's a pretty bad term in the sense that you have to be already familiar with the subject in order to decipher its meaning.
  • Second, this is exactly what I was talking about, we don't just get to assume "well its obvious". we still need a source per the rules mentioned above. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
    • To address the first point, I think with genres, where do allow retroactive use of genre names, as long as that is consistent with the broad picture in RSes. We don't, for example, call games like Marathon or Hexen as "Doom clones" despite that being thd term used at the time those games were released. Also we don't worry about familiarity with genre.. That's why they are blue linked in case the reader needs to find out. — Masem (t) 21:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
      That's probably fair for contemporary reading, but that there's other issues with us just saying "well its ____ genre" and looking for one source and calling it a day as that would go against WP:WEIGHT. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
      In the case of the Metroid games as a whole, it's likely easier to find a source that broadly categories the games in the series as metroidvania than to find genre classifications for individual games. And to that end Id think we'd want consistency (that at least adheres to rs coverage of the series) than a mess involving nitpicking exactness to one or two sources. — Masem (t) 22:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
This won't be a popular opinion, but this is why it's bad to organize an encyclopedia using neologisms and marketing terms. You'll find that sources are more consistent if you focus on less trendy names, particularly when Metroid and Castlevania games were simply called action-adventure games. It's fine to note their later marketing as metroidvanias in the prose, but because this will be inconsistent, it's better to avoid this for categorization. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
See this is the issue with going by assumptions of what things are/were called among press.
1980s:
"Another one of those famous platform arcade adventures" source
  • Computer Entertainer (1987): "Adventure fans will have a wonderful time with this solid and well constructed adventure. If you enjoy action_ adventures, don’t miss this one!" source
Retrospective:
  • AllGame: "Shooter -> Style Platform Shooter"
  • IGN: " The game is an action/platformer, a side-scroller that puts you in the role of galactic bounty hunter Samus Aran." here
  • GameSpot: "Genre: Action" here
  • GameSpot: "the overall package just doesn't measure up to today's action adventure standards." here
  • GameSpot: "rendition of Metroid was considered a classic in the 2D action adventure genre." here.
So from this, action adventure does come off a bit more, but there are several other terms used which don't seem clear to me. In this case it's good, but this is why we need to go by a case by case basis for these things. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
It helps that platforms are categorized as a type of action game, so platform adventure is at least verifiable as a type of action adventure. Shooterwalker (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Uhh maybe, but no source here calls it that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005 and IHRA Drag Racing: Sportsman Edition developer

Bethesda Game Studios is listed as developer for both of these games on their own page but the sources for both don't explicitly list BGS as the developer for these. Should we change the developer to just Bethesda Softworks? Timur9008 (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Bethesda Game Studios was established in 2001 as development division and Bethesda Softworks focused only on publishing. So it's very likely that Game Studios developed those titles, but I guess that constitutes as WP:OR, so we still have to go what the sources say and list the developer as "Bethesda Softworks". --Mika1h (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
User:IceWelder what do you think? Timur9008 (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
BGS's logo is shown on the website for 2005 and the box for Sportsman Edition, so I think listing it should be fine. IceWelder 17:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Didn't even notice that. Thanks! Timur9008 (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion needed for Klefki GAN

Bringing this up here because it's been left on hold for awhile, but there's been a longstanding request for a second opinion over at Talk:Klefki/GA1 to assess the article if anyone's able to give it a hand. I helped with the article so I feel unqualified to be able to objectively. Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for further comment at Merge discussions

There are a few ongoing merge discussions related to video game characters that would appreciate some further input from other editors at Talk:The_Stanley_Parable#The Narrator (The Stanley Parable) merge discussion and Talk:Anor_Londo#Ornstein_and_Smough_Merge_Proposal. All comments are appreciated in order to settle on a consensus. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Video game RfD discussions

There are two redirects from video games listed at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26 that are in the interest of this WikiProject. Jalen Folf (Bark) 05:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Sega development divisions

There is a discussion in regards to the future of the pages for the development divisions that are within Sega such as moving the pages from their brand names to their division names, to avoid possible further confusion (in regards to games that are not Sonic or Yazkuza/Like a Dragon done by the big two divisions: CS1 (RGG Studio) & CS2 (Sonic Team)). Any advice or input is very appreciated, more info on this can be found on the Sega talk page. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

D. C. Douglas

Can someone take a look at this? Article is already loaded with unreliable sources, but it also have COI and OWN issues. The editor, who is apparently Douglas kept reverting edits that he doesn't like. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

While I agree that this is a pretty apparent case of COI and should be dealt with, this actor has absolutely nothing to do with video games. He has never done voice work for a video game, and he's not even under this project. I don't really see how he's relevant to us specifically. (Nevermind, apparently he has) He might be relevant to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Anime and manga, though. I'd also recommend bringing this up at the conflict of interest noticeboard. λ NegativeMP1 03:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
He actually voiced two video game characters (and is known to voice Wesker), but I guess I may be wrong. Since I already posted here, I don't think its necessary to expound more. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 04:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Disambig needed for Striker (video game)?

Given https://www.mobygames.com/game/33720/striker/ ? Assuming it is notable - I am having hard time finding sources... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't need disambig unless an article is created and that 1985 game is very likely non-notable. --Mika1h (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
There's a bunch of things at Striker though, and there's no way it's the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC... Sergecross73 msg me 19:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
I misunderstood then, thought this was about disambig between 2 games. Mika1h (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not sure I'm following either, that's why I didn't say anything more than what I did... Sergecross73 msg me 20:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Are we sure it is non-notable? Granted, I am having trouble finding sources beyond (is this even reliable?), but to be sure, we would need to look at magazine reviews from that era, and I am not sure how to do this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Do we know who developed or published this game? Typing "Derek Williams Striker" in search on Newspapers.com or Internet Archive doesn't bring up anything. Timur9008 (talk) 08:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm relatively sure it's notable. It was a popular series with a bunch of entries in thr pre-internet era. I'm still confused where this discussion is heading though. Sergecross73 msg me 10:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
I think that articles made over 10 years ago might have been alright with zero or one sources. If this happened today, it would almost certainly lead to the page being deleted, merged or sent to draft. We have loads of pages without a single source and they still survive mainly because its obscure and even when people read them, they don't do anything (nominate for deletion, edit, discuss, etc). Now, at least three independent reliable sources is required.. JuniperChill (talk) 11:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
To clarify, I'm not confused about our notability standards, I'm confused as to what this discussion is asking. No offense to Piotrus, but they, in my opinion, just haven't really given this discussion enough direction. Is this an article name discussion? Article scope question? Notability discussion? Something else? There's a bit of a disconnect between the section title and the question posed that's not helping either.
The article itself isn't helping. Its a bit difficult if all these titles constitute a series of games, or just a ton of ports of the same game. Or something in between. But regardless, I don't believe complete deletion is the answer. For example, the Sega Genesis entry received magazine coverage. The Game Gear version did too. Sergecross73 msg me 12:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Just making clear the 1985 shooter game that doesn't even have an article yet is not notable. I don't think anyone here questions the notability of Striker (video game), which is about a football game. --Mika1h (talk) 13:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Sigh, I didn't even notice that the Misplaced Pages and MobyGames links did not refer to the same games, though that only raises more questions as to what going on in this discussion... Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Well, my question is whether anyone can locate sources for estabilishing notability of that 1985 game? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
I can't find anything, no reviews listed at MobyGames or UVL, seemingly nothing at Archive.org --Mika1h (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for looking. I am mildly surprised, but oh well :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Dr Disrespect

If you have noticed a spike in recent edits at Esports Task Force, that's mostly me (anonymously, all 2601:47:100) extensively improving the titular article for the last 3 days (and failing to get semiprotected edit requests fulfilled). Suffice to say, there's still a need to work on it to get it to B-class and then GA, and I'll appreciate your contributions there to get the article to meet the requirements (I don't want to make more mistakes than I already have). 2601:47:100:AC40:A03E:AD3E:5E2C:4246 (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

This was just mentioned that the article was assessed and tagged C on June 26 by Valoem. It looked like this. Last edit was just minutes ago by me that further improved the article to my extent of understanding. Going forward, I'll like consensus from others. 2601:47:100:AC40:98EF:83CD:FB7F:C5E8 (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Then it isn't. Rock & roll is not dead added a paragraph on Dr Disrespect and Kick (service); there was contention over this. Should I do anything about it? 2601:47:100:AC40:7BE2:9D9D:AF50:A40E (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Responded. 2601:47:100:AC40:7BE2:9D9D:AF50:A40E (talk) 16:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with what was added, as long what is within Misplaced Pages policy, WP:EDITING, it's fair game. I have contributed to the Dr Disrespect page before.(Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC))

Noted. But my intent here is to get it to meet the criteria for B-class articles, and for members of the WikiProject here to help contribute. All in good faith, obviously. 2601:47:100:AC40:7BE2:9D9D:AF50:A40E (talk) 16:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Kind of proving otherwise, respectfully, since the sentences you wrote probably would be WP:UNDUE; my edits improved it to be more in-line with the surrounding paragraphs. 2601:47:100:AC40:7BE2:9D9D:AF50:A40E (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
And you're the one that wrote that Dr Disrespect called Twitch "slithery disgusting purple snakes" and with a WP:TOOLONG quote, which I shortened as requested. 2601:47:100:AC40:7BE2:9D9D:AF50:A40E (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Still seems like I'm the only contributor other than that one to have made some progress on the article and meeting the criteria. As it stands:
  • Is it "suitably referenced, with inline citations"? - More than it did even days ago. 77 references.
  • "Reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies"? - Definitely, but not everything apparently. There have been over 150 edits since the start of last month.
  • "Has a defined structure" and is "reasonably well-written"? - As defined, mostly. Organized accordingly and written more formally in accordance with the relevant MOS, now with a note.
  • "Contains supporting materials where appropriate"? - Just the infobox and 2 images (at the infobox and a section).
  • And "presents its content in an appropriately understandable way"? - I think. Not the first time this was contentious.
2601:47:100:AC40:28B7:D9CA:15E5:CB40 (talk) 01:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Now looks like this. Well done, me... @PresN please inform interested participants. 2601:47:100:AC40:4277:307A:58FD:7F81 (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
For comparison. 2601:47:100:AC40:4277:307A:58FD:7F81 (talk) 17:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Between yesterday and today. 2601:47:100:AC40:9F92:6CA1:2927:BD7B (talk) 19:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Updated. 2601:47:100:AC40:DAF9:D5F9:63EE:7A8B (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

This is incredibly difficult to follow - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 23:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

In essence, I got Dr Disrespect to meet the criteria for B-class articles. Little help improving it like I have. Just need someone to confirm that it does. 2601:47:100:AC40:2675:8BBB:52F0:7B02 (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to Misplaced Pages, and congratulations on working on your first article. Looks like you did some cleanup and copyediting, which is always helpful. Consider making an account so people can find you again- if nothing else, it will make your signature shorter. That said: 1) Non-peer-reviewed classifications don't really matter, and it's best not to obsess over them; if you think it's a B then sure. 2) It's not a B in my opinion. Choppy paragraphs, choppy sentences, a flow so close to WP:Proseline that it's almost uncanny, and most of all almost no information about the person that isn't just a list of controversies. 3) There's really no reason to post a stream of consciousness log as you go- if you have a question or want feedback, just post once please; there's 40,000+ articles just in video games alone so there's always a lot going on. 4) Why did you tag me? I have no connection with this asshole or his article, and don't know how I'd go about "inform interested participants" that you made the article a bit better beyond your post here. --PresN 02:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, to expand on this, as I often tell people, this Wikiproject is great for asking questions or getting quick advice, but we all are pretty busy with our own pet projects and generally aren't really looking for new ideas for things to work on. I'd need more hours in the day to take on more writing. And that said...while I can't speak for everyone, I personally have no interest in writing about these ridiculous, over-the-top gaming personalities. Doubly so with someone with the allegations against him he's got going on at the moment. Sergecross73 msg me 02:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

New Articles (June 24 to June 30)

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 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 14:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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Not seeing any reason for List of Epic Games Store giveaways to exist that weren't covered in its 2019 AfD... --PresN 14:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Does anyone know why BOZ is creating articles that rely on 1 or 2 sources again? Timur9008 (talk) 15:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles plural? I only see GX Games, which by all accounts has more than barebones content and cites two in-depth relaible contemporary independent print sources. You're welcome to look for more sources to expand the content or AfD it if you believe it doesn't meet English Misplaced Pages's inclusion criteria. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 07:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
AFD on that EGS article started. Masem (t) 15:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

BG3

Is anyone going to make more articles about BG3 characters? Thanks 2600:1008:B175:3587:1D1:EAA8:70DC:1CC4 (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I mean eventually yes but what's preventing you from doing so?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Oh that would be cool, I like Karlach. Astarion has a really great article. Thanks 2600:1008:B175:3587:1D1:EAA8:70DC:1CC4 (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Take a read through WP:FIRST and go for it. If you need any help, the teahouse is always there for assistance. - Skipple ☎ 20:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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