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| == Sasanian Kadagistan == | |||
| Hey my bro how are you doing | |||
| It seems i found a source that says the ] as a sasanian provience was conquered by turkic khaganate between 570 to 581 after that the hephthalites revolted and in 589 it was reconquered by bahram chobin for short period | |||
| source: Bloomsbury Publishing, p. 360 ''the Sasanians controlled the land to the north up to the Kuban valley. Thus the Türks soon reverted to military force. In 569–570 they launched a great military expedition against Sasanian Iran in which they conquered the territory of the former Hephthalite kingdom belonging to Iran in the form of vassal kingdoms and principalities. (The Sasanians were powerless to resist because they were also engaged in war against Byzantium.) Although there is no source that gives the details of the war waged by the Türks against Iran in 569–570, it is clear from the phrase Turkun wa Kabulu (The Türks and Kabul), in a poem written between 575 and 580 by the Arab poetal-cAsha, that the Türk army was operating in the Kabul–Gandhara area in 570.<small>3</small>'' | |||
| 3: Harmatta, 1962, p. 133, note 5 | |||
| (however in wiki the case is different like: ''When Khosrow I died in 579, the Hephthalites of Tokharistan and Khotan took advantage of the situation to rebel against the Sasanians, but their efforts were obliterated by the Turks.'') | |||
| I just want to know is it true? then edit the ] article. | |||
| And if it's not then tell me why and better do a necessary work after that ] (]) 21:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello Twg7s7h, I'm doing good, hope the same goes for you. | |||
| :{{tq|source: The Eastern Frontier: Limits of Empire in Late Antique and Early Medieval Central Asia Bloomsbury Publishing, p. 360 the Sasanians controlled the land to the north up to the Kuban valley. Thus the Türks soon reverted to military force. In 569–570 they launched a great military expedition against Sasanian Iran in which they conquered the territory of the former Hephthalite kingdom belonging to Iran in the form of vassal kingdoms and principalities. (The Sasanians were powerless to resist because they were also engaged in war against Byzantium.) Although there is no source that gives the details of the war waged by the Türks against Iran in 569–570, it is clear from the phrase Turkun wa Kabulu (The Türks and Kabul), in a poem written between 575 and 580 by the Arab poetal-cAsha, that the Türk army was operating in the Kabul–Gandhara area in 570.3 3: Harmatta, 1962, p. 133, note 5}} | |||
| :Sorry what? Kadagistan is in Bactria, not the Kabul–Gandhara area. I don't what areas the author considers the Hephthalite kingdom to be, missing some context. It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure Rezakhani is basing his info on newly found texts/coins in Bactria. | |||
| :{{tq|however in wiki the case is different like: When Khosrow I died in 579, the Hephthalites of Tokharistan and Khotan took advantage of the situation to rebel against the Sasanians, but their efforts were obliterated by the Turks.}} | |||
| :I also don't know where you're quoting this from, it's not in ]. | |||
| :{{tq|I just want to know is it true? then edit the Kadagistan article. And if it's not then tell me why and better do a necessary work after that}} | |||
| :Not sure I understand this? I have my own life and interests to tend to as well. Even if another source is discovered, that doesn't mean I just immediately start editing, that would be incredibly fatiguing. ] (]) 22:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Wow really great thanks | |||
| ::And you know what | |||
| ::I was in discuss and edit war on this map | |||
| ::] | |||
| ::Hope you can do something against that person and map | |||
| ::(If the turkic khghanate never annexe the bactria region on 570 which is i never heard that before like you i think) ] (]) 23:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think the Rezakhani mean was that turks annexe bactria (the Hephthalites) and turn into kabul-Gandhara ] (]) 23:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::So this is what it's about? Sorry I can't help. ] (]) 23:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::lol | |||
| ::::Ok | |||
| ::::But just can you give me the sources about bactria under sasanians before khosrow ii? | |||
| ::::Cause you don't accepte that 570 ] (]) 23:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Here's Rezakhani . ] (]) 23:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Thx a lot again you put your own time | |||
| ::::::just 2 think | |||
| ::::::Did you have time for sasanian evoulational map? That was a great idea i told you before | |||
| ::::::I think you didn't check ''Bogazicili'' edits in ] he removes some maps in history part | |||
| ::::::And if you open history part | |||
| ::::::The head of its is still big empty ] (]) 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::A map that shows how the borders of the Sasanian Empire changed throughout history? That is on the to do list, but it's in the last place if I'm going to be honest, I don't really have the biggest interest in pre-Islamic stuff right now. And as for Turkic peoples article, I'm stilling missing context on what the issue is, and I think it's better if you take it to ]. Please also be aware of ]. ] (]) 23:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::haha pain... | |||
| ::::::::No about that turkic people | |||
| ::::::::I say that you know the history part of it? | |||
| ::::::::When you open it it has a empty part that was a map before on it | |||
| ::::::::And i cant edit that article to remove that little empty space i mean | |||
| ::::::::And wait | |||
| ::::::::Why you name Rezakhani in our speeches? | |||
| ::::::::Cause the book i send was a unesco and another persons not rezakhani ] (]) 00:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Please take it to ]. You asked me about a source regarding Bactria under the Sasanians and I gave you one. ] (]) 00:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::''It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure Rezakhani is basing his info on newly found texts/coins in Bactria'' | |||
| ::::::::::I thought you mean that book i send | |||
| ::::::::::No problem sorry | |||
| ::::::::::Forget about that turkic people i thing you don't get my words about | |||
| ::::::::::thx again your efforts on the wiki should be appreciated ] (]) 00:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Hey man how are you doing today | |||
| :Sorry for bother you again | |||
| :I found another source about gokturks annexe kadagistan (bactria region) in 570 to 581 | |||
| :Check this whats your opinion? | |||
| :''In AD 569-570 Turkic army launched a military expedition against Sasanian | |||
| :Iran and conquered the territory of the former Hephthalite kingdom belonging to | |||
| :Iran. In AD 570 the Turks were certainly operating in the Kabul-Gandhara area.'' | |||
| :Source: | |||
| :KURBANOV, AYDOGDY (2010) | |||
| :"THE HEPHTHALITES: ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL ANALYSIS" page 190 | |||
| :Look at the year of publication: 2010 ] (]) 21:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry, but I have already made it clear that I want no part in your dispute at Commons in regards to that map. My response is pretty much the same as earlier. Also, please read ] and ]. ] (]) 21:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes i understand my work in that map is over | |||
| :::Just i send this cause of kadagistan | |||
| :::And just say do you think its true? ] (]) 00:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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A gold mine full of problematic stuff
The article -stan is really bad and it needs a complete rewrite. I dropped editing it in April 2023. The article has become like a bloated dictionary page. IP users add/remove any information they want; e.g. some recent examples.. The current state of article feels like a blog post representing opinion of users rather than the well-sourced and summarized content. @LouisAragon and Wikaviani: It could be interesting for you too. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying me about this, Mann Mann. I'm 99% sure the removed bit about Ostandar "cited" by Daryaee and Ghereghlou has been wrongly used, since I was the one who cited them here in the Ostandar article, though with slightly different info. Though there's no way the IP (who obviously had anti-Persian and anti-Hazara motives) knew that. So yeah, even the sourced info has issues, which just reinforces what you just said even more, unfortunately. I would love to add it on my to do list, though I don't think I have any useful WP:RS on me to fix the article. There's probably some useful info in the Encyclopedias at Brill and some language sources, I'll see what I can find. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. The main issue of the article is unsourced materials, excessive details, and bloated content; from its lead section to all other sections. As I said, every user (especially IPs) has added something to it. The intention was good in the most cases but in the end they turned the article into a mess. For example, the sentence "It is widely used by Iranian languages..." in the lead is 100% personal commentary. Section Etymology and cognates suffers from WP:OR and irrelevant citations. And that big table in section Country names in various languages... Many entries are unsourced or just some kind of slang, meme, or internet stuff. To fix the issues, it should be rewritten and having a simple and clean tone/structure like Land (suffix). Another thing I found is -abad. Seriously why it redirects to Oikonyms in Western and South Asia? We have Abadi (rural locality) which is the right choice for the redirect. Someone should look at these Iranic/Persian place names and suffixes and improve them; e.g. creating a list, merge or redirect them. Regards. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to reply to this. I 100% agree and will see what I can do in the near future. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for pinging me about this, I agree with both of you although I face the same issue mentioned by HystoryofIran, namely, the lack of sources. Best.---Wikaviani 21:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to reply to this. I 100% agree and will see what I can do in the near future. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. The main issue of the article is unsourced materials, excessive details, and bloated content; from its lead section to all other sections. As I said, every user (especially IPs) has added something to it. The intention was good in the most cases but in the end they turned the article into a mess. For example, the sentence "It is widely used by Iranian languages..." in the lead is 100% personal commentary. Section Etymology and cognates suffers from WP:OR and irrelevant citations. And that big table in section Country names in various languages... Many entries are unsourced or just some kind of slang, meme, or internet stuff. To fix the issues, it should be rewritten and having a simple and clean tone/structure like Land (suffix). Another thing I found is -abad. Seriously why it redirects to Oikonyms in Western and South Asia? We have Abadi (rural locality) which is the right choice for the redirect. Someone should look at these Iranic/Persian place names and suffixes and improve them; e.g. creating a list, merge or redirect them. Regards. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Talk: Caucasian dragon carpets
Yesterday I noticed a editor and a IP edit warring over the significance of the carpet in Armenia the article. They are now discussing after I prompted them to do so, but they don't seem to be coming to an agreement. I don't have particular expertise in subject area and im busy in real life as well, is it possible for you give a third opinion there? Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Fantastic Mr. Fox. At a first glance, both parties seem to bring up good sources. I have work soon - when I'm home, I'll do some digging and bring my third opinion. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Need third opinion for following edits
Hi, I need your expertise for the following pages. I would be happy if you could take a look. Since in Arabic and Chinese, I did not see separate naming inside Temp-lang for each variety of the language, I thought that instead of writing Southern or Northern Azerbaijani at the beginning of related pages, we could group them under the Azerbaijani macrolanguage umbrella (as it was before).
For the literature and language page, I compared it with Chinese and Arabic literature and language, and their written style also leaned towards varieties rather than separate languages.
I was wondering about your opinion.
You can see the above-mentioned differences in the latest reversions of my edits. Instead of deleting or writing blindly, I reverted them to the old edits.
Additionally, since I see your edits about the Khanlik era, I was wondering if it is appropriate to keep Azerbaijani names on the following pages.
Thank you. Göycen (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. I think simply "Azerbaijani" should be used rather than "Southern Azerbaijani" and "Northern Azerbaijani". WP:RS usually simply use "Azerbaijani/Azeri (Turkish)" when referring to both dialects, and "South Azerbaijani" is also historically inaccurate and politically motivated per WP:RS (eg ). Sorry, but response to the Azeri names is the same as here . HistoryofIran (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will go through them and act accordingly. Göycen (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Ottoman Persian War of 1743-1746
I added that this war was an ottoman defensive victory against Nader shah Afshar because of seiges such as Baghdad, Mosul, Basra and Kars which resulted in an ottoman victory. However the Ottomans lost the battle of Kars and Mosul which hung the balance. Britannan2345 (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but in Misplaced Pages we follow WP:RS (in this case an academic source by a historian), not our own deductions. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of an article that introduces a new person to Safavid dynasty
Hello, I thought this discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Miskin_Abdal could be interesting to you since you created pages for persons who were in charge of foreign affairs in early Safavid dynasty. This is regarding an article at https://en.wikipedia.org/Miskin_Abdal, which obviously violates WP:RS and WP:GNG. Please add your suggestions or comments if any. Deletion page discussions are here https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miskin_Abdal. thx HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for June 19
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Your GA nomination of Abu'l-Fath Khan Javanshir
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Your GA nomination of Abu'l-Fath Khan Javanshir
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Socking
Really? Oh, you mean User:Gilanikmode? Because your diff pointed at someone who's been here for a decade. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah. Sorry, should have been more clear. It's Gilanikmode. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I blocked a few more accounts--there is no charge. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Drmies! HistoryofIran (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing. I'll send you my birthday wish list; you have almost two months to save up for a magnificent LEGO kit or something. BTW those were pretty inept edits, weren't they. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Easy, I have a great Harry Potter set in my mind. And yes they were indeed, User:PaullyMatthews is certainly not putting much energy into staying incognito. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing. I'll send you my birthday wish list; you have almost two months to save up for a magnificent LEGO kit or something. BTW those were pretty inept edits, weren't they. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Drmies! HistoryofIran (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I blocked a few more accounts--there is no charge. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Sock alert
I have just checked your interaction with Wiawolo and I know who they are. Somany ottoman related article claimings of albanian origins and everything
This is WP:HEVAL, who notably is "interested" in Albanians (see previous SPI reports). Aintabli (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aintabli, thank you. Such comprehensive notes are helpful for us administrators. Drmies (talk) 19:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Drmies, thank you for taking prompt action. Aintabli (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing. See section above for suggested rewards. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks to you both! HistoryofIran (talk) 22:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing. See section above for suggested rewards. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Drmies, thank you for taking prompt action. Aintabli (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Siege of Halicarnassus
Hello, I wanted to get help from you about an article. On the Siege of Halicarnassus page, it is emphasized that this battle was a Macedonian defeat. Historian Jona Lenderıng points out that this siege was a defeat for the Macedonians and that the castle was only built in It says that it was captured in 332 BC. Can you provide further support and development regarding the siege on this page? Keremmaarda (talk) 13:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Keremmaarda. Jona Lendering doesn't speak Turkish and I'm not sure who translated it, so that makes me wonder what the original source says? (The original source seems to be Alexander de Grote. De ondergang van het Perzische rijk). It's a pretty hefty claim, per the sourced lede of Alexander the Great he never lost an encounter. While I haven't looked into the Jona Lendering source, the Siege of Halicarnassus article currently says "Therefore, our sources could also describe the Siege of Halicarnassus as a direct Macedonian defeat." This seems to indicate that the result was indecisive. Sorry, but it's been a long time since I dipped my feet into this topic, I think it's best if you ask the people at Talk:Alexander the Great. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Ney Vandalism
The page is being vandalized by a Pan-Arabist claiming the word "Ney" https://en.wiktionary.org/%D9%86%DB%8C#Persian is Arabic and the instrument is exclusively used in Arabic music.
If it is within your scope please address the vandalism or forward it to the admins. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.189.149.94 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've pursued quite a few avenues so far, but for your own information -
- https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/504821
- https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/501050
- https://books.google.ca/books?id=tRegBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
- Iranian classification by the MET and even on the Syrian derivative of the Ney it says as such -
- "Although used generically for folk flutes, this Arabic term, derived from Persian, refers specifically to bevelled-edged reed flutes of classical music."
- As an IP user I don't think I carry much weight, but I hope you can help. 142.189.149.94 (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The page was protected for two weeks and reverted.
- If you can please keep an eye on it if it interests you.
- Hope all is well! 142.189.149.94 (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi 142.189.149.94. Sorry, forgot to reply to this. I can see that the article is now protected and in the pre edit war revision, so I guess all is good. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Sheykh Ali Khan Zand
Dear Sir or Madam, I am studying about this person, could you please recommend me a book about his family? Kind regards Khan Ahmad 2A02:3032:2E0:8F6:984C:3FCA:E924:E8CE (talk) 03:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. I would recommend the The Cambridge History of Iran, volume 7. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)