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August 14

Dismissal of Thai PM

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Maybe The event demonstrates that the PM is perhaps not the most powerful person in the government. CNN indicates that real power is held by "a small but powerful clique of military, royalist and business elites" which presumably means people like Thaksin Shinawatra. Anyway, this seems to be a trumped-up charge or show trial which we shouldn't endorse so directly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

August 13

August 12

Liquid water on Mars

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)

Article needs to be updated (currently only a one line update exists) but the topic is receiving significant news coverage. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support once the article has been sufficiently expanded. Important milestone. Yakikaki (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Needs work The article currently starts "Almost all water on Mars today exists as polar permafrost ice..." and continues in that vein. If this new analysis indicates that there are substantial underground seas of liquid water then the article will need completely rebalancing to account for this. An isolated update is not enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Opppose on quality concerns, the lead needs a lot of work, I had to search the article to find the story here. Also, possible sustained oppose because it appears this was known in 2018 from the Mars Express mission. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Given the chronology of discoveries of water on Mars dating back to the 1970s, what makes this discovery of water on Mars different? If that difference is significant, it should be in the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  Money pull quote from the Beeb article: While there is water frozen at the Martian poles and evidence of vapour in the atmosphere, this is the first time liquid water has been found on the planet. I agree quite a bit that "science news" often does a poor job of immediately telling people the most important thing(s) up front: "don't bury the lede" is a tenet of good journalism. (One contributing factor: the people writing and editing the coverage, often have little to no expert scientific background, and often struggle to understand themselves the things they are attempting to tell people about, which often are communicated in the house jargon of scientific journals etc. Sure, you could contact professional scientists to seek explanation (who mostly have day jobs and do such things, when they do, as an unpaid volunteer service on top of that) but, there's that deadline and your boss has been breathing down your neck lately to get those viewership metrics up. Gotta get those social media "shares" before competitors beat you.) Blurb suggestion: Analysis… indicates the presence on Mars of underground liquid water. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Agree in principle if a main target can be improved. Maybe InSight? This is evidence of present-day liquid water underground in the Martian crust. Existence of (lots of) liquid water long ago in Mars's past has been accepted for some time, and solid water ice and gaseous water vapor are known to exist, but liquid water at Mars's surface beyond tiny transient amounts is presumed impossible today because of Mars's low atmospheric pressure. (See phase diagram. Familiar with how a pressure cooker works? Now think about how freeze drying works—which is accomplished by going the other direction and lowering ambient pressure to near-zero.) Scientists have been interested in answers to what happened to all that water. And it looks like at least some is still there deep underground, where it's under enough pressure to stay liquid. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Opppose Call me when you can fill a glass. None of this "traces of" or long-ago stuff. CoatCheck (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  From that CNN article: "Banerdt, who was not involved in the research, said that while the interpretation of the data presented in the paper is strongly supported with good arguments, he also believes it is still somewhat speculative and that there is almost always another way to explain any given set of data.", a far cry short of these "scientists have found ___" pronouncements. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is a single paper, and the BBC article makes claims that the scientific paper does not -- BBC: "Scientists have discovered a reservoir of liquid water on Mars - deep in the rocky outer crust of the planet. -- paper: "A mid-crust composed of fractured igneous rocks saturated with liquid water best explains the existing data." This is fairly irresponsible journalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per 35.139.154.158. This is still a pretty tentative discovery. Additionally, it isn't even the first potential detection of large reservoirs of liquid water on Mars—see Subglacial lakes on Mars. I am only marking this as a weak oppose as this is an in situ detection from the InSight lander, which may be ITN-worthy; I would personally say it still isn't. ArkHyena (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rachael Lillis

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Voice actress, known for voicing the English voices of Misty and Jessie from Pokemon. Died on August 10 but was only reported on this date. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Opppose Not enough substance. Estreyeria (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• Picture Looks fine and there's plenty of coverage in mainstream sources such as the BBC. We have a good picture and so should use it to replace the aircraft picture which has been used for several days now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Lugner

• Nominated by Celjski Grad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ruedi B (talk · give credit)

Austrian construction titan, politician, and Viennese society figure. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

August 11

RD: Noël Treanor

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Rutsq (talk · give credit)

Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Minor tone issues but honestly nothing to fuss about. Bremps... 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Olympics

• Updated and nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)

Starts in under 5.5 hours, but just thought to put it here for discussion so it can be live as it is ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC) }}

• Oppose The article for the closing ceremony has major sourcing issues. When the ceremony happens, the article will also need expansion. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I am just cleaning up the sourcing precisely for these objections. Only women's basketball left, but will find som more prose. Obviously in preparations since we can't know everything exactly.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I have just added some prose to the events itself. Few sentences should be the mimumum required.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

This is true, but the ceremony hasn't happened yet, so it is no surprise the article has not been expanded. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

How is the official source improper? There are several prose sentences of the event.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose altblurb the Olympics medal tally is measured by the number of gold medals, with silver and bronze only used in tie-breakers. It is technically correct to state that the US won the most medals, but the usage of this implies that the US 'won' the Olympics, which they didn't (China did) and might be a breach of NPOV. The prose issues brought up by @Joseph2302 (pinging for courtesy) look like they've been fixed, although article might need some more sources. In this case I'm leaning support. Also the closing ceremony just wrapped up, so pull from ongoing. Aydoh8 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

D'oh. Didn't realise they were tied on golds (I thought China was still ahead). Thank you for reminding me, I've just updated my vote. Aydoh8 22:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• oppose altblurb When have we previously posted which country "won"? Seems a tie. 2607:9880:2D28:108:30F3:78D1:5BE5:F230 (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

silly to mention that nonsense. the NEWS is the closingSportsnut24 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Remove the Olympics from the Ongoing events. It is Finished. 24.253.86.254 (talk) 01:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, Support but remove after 48h PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's been removed. Stephen 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose It makes more sense to just pull the Olympics from ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as the closing ceremony article is a sloppy mix of plans, predictions and actual outcomes. Just leave the Ongoing entry up for a day and then it's done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - the closing ceremony of the Summer Olympics (and their winter components for that matter) are WP:INTR per Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring items#Multi-sport events. If you have an issue with that, take it to the talk page, not here. — Knightoftheswords 13:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment – Why don't we just bold the Summer Olympics article instead of that of the closing ceremony? It's what most readers are looking for and is of a much higher quality. DecafPotato (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  The main Summer Olympics article itself has already been 'featured' on ITN on the Ongoing events line for about two weeks. There would need some significant consensus to move that back to a blurb that could possibly last on ITN another week, given the amount of updates (or relative lack thereof) since it was removed from Ongoing. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

August 10

RD: Tuíre Kayapó

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Brazilian indigenous activist and leader. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Article quality is up to par. Bremps... 02:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

August 9

(Posted) RD: Ida Bagus Ardana

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Former bureaucrat and politician in Bali; found dead in his house under mysterious circumstances. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support looks alright and well-cited for ITN standards. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 01:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD: Susan Wojcicki

• Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Natemup (talk · give credit), Titanoboa Constrictor (talk · give credit) and Zszn (talk · give credit)

Former CEO of Youtube. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Article's in good shape. However, I want to see more reliable sources publish the news before we post.❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Other publications are now reporting this as well. Natg 19 (talk) 06:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty. My search engine probably has not caught up. :) I support nomination now. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITN. I don't see why somebody who owned one the largest video broadcasting companies in the world for 10 years should not have at least an ITN Lukt64 (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  A CEO of a company is not the owner. Celjski Grad (talk) 10:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article is in good shape. Grimes2 (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Worth mentioning and everyone is talking about it in Social Media, can't see why we cannot put a CEO's name who foresaw the globalisation of internet entertainment in the past couple of years .Fluddsskark (talk) 10:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support ITN/Blurb She was a very, very well known CEO of one of the biggest platforms in the world and sat in her position for the past 10 years. If the consensus is RD, consider this support RD. TwistedAxe 10:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Her work does not really rise to the level of a blurb, but at least the article is well-cited. rawmustard (talk) 11:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted RD—Bagumba (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• support blurb one of the biggest entrepreneurs of the digital era. if random cult following figures like pop stars (e.g. Prince) or actors (that black guy from the Black Panther the movie) deserve a mention, she does too. Especially since her death came in as a surprise (fairly young, has not revealed her disease before her death. Kasperquickly (talk) 17:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I mean that black guy from black panther was also one of the biggest Hollywood actors, though his notability for posting was iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  Jim Brown was transformational. How about Wojcicki? Recommending Google buy YouTube isn't that big a deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Big name. Led massive growth in a company which now influences a billion human hours every day. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Picture Recent discussions on ITN's talk page show strong support for posting pictures for RDs and changing ITN's picture every day. The aircraft picture has been posted for over a day now and we have a good picture of this person so let's use it. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• PP Support for RD respectfully oppose blurb. Notable? Certainly. On the same level as Warren Buffet, Elon Musk or Bill Gates? No. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb - not only did she have a substantial impact on YouTube, but she was an effective queenpin in Google for a decade and a half prior to becoming CEO. — Knightoftheswords 13:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Notable but figuring out how to monetize humans staring at photons emitted from a substrate isn't exactly newsworthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  Monetizing humans looking a photons from a substrate has been universally acknowledged as one of the most important events of the past half century. — Knightoftheswords 12:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yea, but am I not allowed to be grumpy about it? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  That feels like a bit of a reach, and even if we believe this, does Wojcicki get outsized credit for the idea? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb did not have major world influence or importance. As Ad Orientem said, I would argue that most CEOs should not be blurbed, outside of newsworthy/major figures such as Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral on blurb. Not like I would be torn up over running; to me it's sort of "close to the line" and could go either way really. To me the "transformational figure" thing ought to be something easy to quantify: did major news outlets in multiple countries regularly "hang on their every word" so to speak, and run stories solely about: "Person X said/did thing Y"? People mentioned like Gates and Warren easily qualify; looking to other shores, Jack Ma is one who comes to mind. It needs to be solely about quantifiable data that people broadly agree upon (a "consensus" of sorts you might say), not everyone's individual subjective judgments which will frequently differ. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Steve Symms

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Former U.S. Senator from Idaho. Died yesterday, but death announced today. Article seems to be in pretty good shape. Curbon7 (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready I would vote !support, but there is a statement in the article which I don't know needs citation or not (about Symms choosing not to run for re-election in 1992). I'd be safe and cite it, but overall the article looks pretty good and the lack of citation should not stop it from getting posted. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I've added a citation for it. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by RandomInfinity17 (talk · give credit)

Support This is a very major incident. Stuart2202 (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Sad/Terrible news. The article structure looks fair enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 19:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for article to develop further - it’s a bit short at the moment. Support on notability, though. The Kip 19:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Decent sized air crash. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Skyshiftertalk 19:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major transportation related mass casualty event. We typically post this sort of thing. Article is no longer a stub and is well sourced. I expect it to expand as more information becomes available. Good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 20:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: please, add Vinhedo. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see a need to. Sandstein 08:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The information in the article currently gives no indication of significance beyond a standard investigation. Airplane crashes have no inherent significance or notability, which seems to be the only argument that !support votes have offered. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  Mass casualty events are considered to be standard thresh-hold for international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Harizotoh9 Mass casualty events are routinely deleted at AfD and they don't automatically have lasting significance. This is just another ITNism made up by a group that has insulated itself from the community and pretends sitewide standards don't apply here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  citation needed. Its actually very hard to delete "news" articles despite the fact that WP:NOTNEWS exists. We should be far more discriminate about when we create articles (and thus feature in ITN) about such events, but we have a really bad problem that editors will rush to create an article about anything, and then when the suggestion of an AFD or merge comes up, too many fighting to keep it on claims that news coverage meets notability, despite that both the GNG and NEVENT caution about bursts of news coverage being used to define notability. Masem (t) 01:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is definitely also true. But I've noticed that news type events from the 2000s and increasingly the 2010s are more readily deleted because at this point it's obvious that they were never notable in the first place. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Anyone who thinks this lacks notability is of course free to open a discussion at WP:AFD. I would however gently suggest taking a deep breath first, unless you are fond of seafood. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Post-Posting Support Per the lead of the article, this is the first deadly aviation accident in Brazil since 2011, and the deadliest in Brazil since 2007, which passes the bar for notability in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kevin Sullivan (wrestler)

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BC2A:8EA5:908C:9F2A (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MIDI (talk · give credit) and Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)

American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:BC2A:8EA5:908C:9F2A (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. This one is in rough shape is going to need some work to get it up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

August 8

RD: Mitzi McCall

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:300E:366:F55B:E06A (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mmb5 (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

American actress and comedian. 240F:7A:6253:1:300E:366:F55B:E06A (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Issa Hayatou

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:1131:B696:A25D:A8D (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheBigJagielka (talk · give credit)

Former president of CAF and former interim president of FIFA. 240F:7A:6253:1:1131:B696:A25D:A8D (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Sports career and Administrative career sections are entirely uncited. The Kip 07:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chi Chi Rodriguez

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)

Puerto Rican golfer. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kalatiku Paembonan

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article structure seems okay to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support No major issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jack Karlson

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheLoyalOrder (talk · give credit) and GreenC (talk · give credit)

Strong oppose and suggest close, he doesn't have his own Misplaced Pages article. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jalapeño: There is precidence for this when we ran Barry Chuckle who also didn't have his own individual page. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis. This is not one of those cases since this is not a group like the other one was.

Noah, BSBA 13:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support - the article is effectively about him since he's the central figure of the whole meme. Karlson's name is even bolded in in the article. — Knightoftheswords 14:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Per above, does not meet the criteria for WP:ITNRD. Estreyeria (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support He is the entirety of what appears in the video. Celjski Grad (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Karlson is the central person of the topic. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 16:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose even taken into account that the central figure of the video is this person and that there us no standalone for him, the coverage of him in this article as a person is trivially short and indicates that he had little notability, the video itself was. Masem (t) 19:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Despite this individual not meeting the criteria set forth in WP:ITNRD does not mean his death cannot be mentioned. BLP protections apply to the page for which he’s mentioned in, and we should make consideration for slightly modifying the requirement mentioned above around “groups”, eg: “groups or cultural icons (memes)”. Hide the Pain Harold definitely needs a RD (when the time comes). Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

BLP applies everywhere, the protections are used on any page where BLP violations have occurred or likely to occur. Just being tagged with such protection doesn't make the page a BLP. — Masem (t) 23:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support I think one of the main reasons RDs for members of groups is allowed is because the page for a group will most likely contain a fair deal of biographical information relating to the members of the group. The current article does contain a bit of biographical information, which I consider just barely enough to be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not a biography, and therefore it doesn't meet ITNRD. This article is about the video, not him. He is not sufficiently covered. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. We do not have a biographical article. While the subject who was the primary individual featured in the video did indeed die, but our criteria for recent deaths does not expand to this scope. The guidance permits that n individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Misplaced Pages article (emphasis mine), but we have no such biographical article for this individual. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per most of the above. The article in question is mostly about the video and isn't a biography article. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose' per above but am not opposed to taking another look at the criteria This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Haven’t there been names run on RD who have been the subjects of “death of” or “killing of” articles? If that’s happened before, I don’t see any reason why Karlson shouldn’t run. Thriley (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Not to mention Jack Karlson exists as a redirect, but I guess that's not enough either? Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  The issue to me is that we have one paragraph of biographical material in this article. If that could be significantly expanded, that might be a reason, but his biography is basically a side note to the fame of the video. Masem (t) 13:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  We have sometimes made exceptions for persons who are exceptionally famous or infamous for a single thing, such as serial killers, where they are discussed at length in the article on their crimes. But I don't think this falls into that category. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Well yes we can't compare serial killers to someone arrested for eating a meal (a Succulent Chinese Meal!). However, it is a video that has taken on a cultural life of its own, including in depth dives into Karlson's history and the fact that we have international coverage worldwide that doesn't happen for many internet memes indicates to me that this may be one of those exceptions of being famous for one thing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per most of the above. Subject does not meet the customary criteria for RD, which usually requires a stand-alone article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems kind of bureaucratic to exclude based on the focus which is primarily concerning Karlson, the subject of the meme video, and contains biographical information about Karlson. -- GreenC 16:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support The subject has an obituary in The Times and it doesn't get any better than that. As he seems quite notable, I suppose that the main complication hitherto has been his multiple aliases but his death seems to have clarified that. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  As I said above, if there was more than a paragraph of actual bio info (hint: that obit can be used to fill in some more) then it would be reasonable to post. But right now, its still a tiny single paragraph within the entire article and includes an unsourced statement (plus the writing is extremely informal for an encyclopedic article). It could get there but the bio must be expanded. Masem (t) 17:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  If you said this above, then you're repeating yourself contrary to WP:BLUDGEON. Please don't horn in on other editors' !votes. "Democracy Manifest!". 20:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC) Andrew🐉(talk) 20:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  And I'm saying that if with this bios we can get that section past a single biographic paragraph, it may be reasonable to post for RD, but while it is only one paragraph and a missing source on a sentence, it fails the quality expectations for BLP articles to even be featured on the main page. Those that want to see it posted should take the time to work on that improvement. Masem (t) 20:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Obituaries from the BBC and The Guardian in addition to The Times. Thriley (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment WP:ITNRD reads:

  An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Misplaced Pages article ...

  —Bagumba (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Central figure within the article, still see content about this guy today Hungry403 (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This is about to roll off so it should either be posted or closed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose If a person doesn't have their own WP article, their death shouldn't be posted in ITNRD. TwistedAxe 16:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Taberon Honie

• Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)

• Utah executed him today. --Rockstone 08:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks well sourced, no outstanding maintenance tags. Aydoh8 00:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good, no problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 06:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

August 7

RD: Patrice Laffont

Varoon2542 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 12 August, 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose due to article orange tag. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Banning of MFP

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• Nominated by River10000 (talk · give credit)

• This is an important development in the flawed democracy of Thailand, specifically with the banning of the party exec. from politics; he was arguably the most popular politician in Thailand. While the MFP will move to a new party, the lingering effect will stay. River10000 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt 3 Event is noteworthy, the official opposition party was banned, and this blurb is the best at describing it. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt 3, definitely noteworthy and that is the most concise blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for ITN, though I will include it in 2024. This is not a change in head of state/government, as Pita Limjaroenrat was not the incumbent prime minister or a similar position. Party dissolutions are common in Thailand, and this doesn't have sufficient due weight for ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose I think from what I read and per JohnAdams, all that's happening is because the high court said that the party's stance against the lèse-majesté law (which violates criticism of the royal family) was unconstitutional and had to dissolve the party, but for all purposes, they're all just jumping over to a new party that does not have a stance on lèse-majesté. If anything, there would need to be more focus on this aspect around the lèse-majesté law issue, not just the simple disbanding of the party and reforming as something else. Further, it reads that this party already was born of the ashes from a previous party one or two years ago, so this is not uncommon. --Masem (t) 00:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment yeah, sure, but this is the main opposition party, technically the second largest party in the country, the only meaningful voice of discontent against the government, and they got banned for due to a rather unpopular law protecting the royals. Scu ba (talk) 00:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

And as they filter into the new party that is being formed in its wake, that will likely become the main opposition party. The story is really around the law and ruling from the supreme court, the effect of breaking up the party more the side result from that. Masem (t) 20:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support major domestic political development. We'd post it if the German CDU got banned for dubious reasons This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support too. This is major democratic backsliding and is as notable as a party winning an election, if not more.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose As others have said, this is not the first time a party dissolution has occured in Thailand, with the MFP being the successor of the Future Forward Party. This dissolution also bans the executives of the MFP from politics, but the article really does not explain if that will have a major impact on the effectiveness of the new party (People's Party). If information is added to the article that says that the banning of the politicians will significantly weaken the new party, then I will change to support. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - The main page is typically for very big events, such as electing a new government, or disasters. Impact seems to be mostly internal to Thailand. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Please see WP:ITNCDONT#2. Curbon7 (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Godel. Not the first time this has happened, and besides Pita's ban from politics, it seems there's not too major an impact - the party's members/infrastructure have already shifted to a new party. The Kip 02:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jon McBride

• Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sinbabad (talk · give credit) and Thebig93 (talk · give credit)

• NASA astronaut. One of the class of 1978 (the "Thirty-Five New Guys") hired to fly the Space Shuttle. Flew one Space Shuttle mission. Article is in poor shape, but should meet Masem's our minimum standards. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. I hope Masem is okay with this. --PFHLai (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)

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• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Would be part of the Ukraine ongoing, and considering what's already stale, the small update on cutting of ties is not significant enough. --Masem (t) 12:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Estreyeria (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The battle itself is stale, and the cutting of diplomatic ties is not significant enough to post. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Mellk (talk) 15:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above

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