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== "...are a Romance-speaking ethnic group and the largest ethnic group of the Republic of Moldova..." ==

"Moldovan" is better off being addressed in this article as a '''nationality''' rather than an ethnicity. It is near universal consensus that the Romanian language and so-called Moldovan language are identical. What then, designates Moldovans as a separate ethnicity from Romanians? Furthermore, to identify "Moldovan" as an ethnicity also excludes the Slavic and Gagauz populations in Moldova, who are also Moldovans. ] (]) 07:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

:Edit: I myself have modified the article's introduction, and have used a more neutral approach, immediately bringing up the controversy over Moldovan ethnic and linguistic identification. I also now understand that the article refers to Moldovans in an "ethnic sense", not including non-Romance groups that live within the country's territory. ] (]) 08:45, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
:Even if we were to admit that the 2 distinct languages (or dialects of Eastern Romance) are similar or even the same, we have many examples of different peoples (ethnic groups) using the same language.
:The ethnicity is determined by 3 components: common origin (but Romans were part of many ethnic groups so, without a clear evidence, it's impossible to say the Roman citizens can be considered a "common origin"), common history (Wallachia and Moldavia have had a distinct history since their inception, therefore the people have also had different histories) and common culture (again, not the case with Wallachians and Moldavians). ] (]) 12:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


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Moldova republic

The people of the Republic of Moldova came when and from where? --95.24.69.191 (talk) 11:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The Moldovans are Roman citizens (the peoples called "Vlachs"), that came from Balkans - through Wallachia and Transylvania - and formed the Moldavian ethnic group. Klehus (talk) 12:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

As long as Moldovans make a distinction between them and Romanians, we should respect their national, ethnic and cultural identity

The meaning of an ethnic group changed from "a population with same genetic background" to a "population with same cultural background" so different peoples are free to forget their own culture and adhere to other people's cultures; but as long as Moldovans identify themselves as "Moldavian ethnics", we should respect that and reflect it objectively. Klehus (talk) 13:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The names used by East Roman people, living north of Danube

We have had 2 distinct nations of East Romance speaking people (Romans) living north of Danube:

1. Moldovans

They have used the name „moldovan" (old script: мoлдoвaн) (EN: Moldavian/Moldovan) as national identifier and the names „romān" (old script: ρomЪн/ρomѫн) and „râmlean" (old script: ρѫmлѣн) (EN: Roman) as ethnic identifier (Miron Costin, Letopisețul Țării Moldovei: „numele drept și mai vechiu iaste romăni, adecă râmleani, de la Roma" / EN: "the correct and ancient name is Roman which means Roman, from Rome"; Dimitrie Cantemir, Hronicul romano-moldo-vlahilor: „români chemându-ne" / EN: "we call ourselves Romans");

2. Wallachians

They have used the names „valah" (old script: влax) (EN: Wallachian) and „rumān" (old script: ρꙋmЪн/ρꙋmѫн/ρymѫн); they were also using the word „rumân" as ethnic identifier - the meaning of the word was also "Roman" (Letopisețul cantacuzinesc: „rumănii carii s-au despărțit de romani" / EN: " Romans who separated themselves from the Romans"; Constantin Cantacuzino, Istoria Țării Rumănești: „când să întreabă ce iaste, ei răspund: rumâni." / EN: "when asked what they are, they answer: Romans").

Conclusion: the word Roman was translated in the old Moldovan language with the word „romān" (ρomѫн) and in the Wallachian language with the word „rumān" (ρꙋmѫн). Klehus (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Costin uses "rumân", you can check chapter 4 of his work "About the Moldavian nation" at Wikisource. Anonimu (talk) 20:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
"De neamul moldovenilor", Miron Costin, 1914, page. 40: „numele derept si mai vechiu este Român" Klehus (talk) 08:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Basarabia / Bessarabia / Bessarabian

The name Basarabia was an exonym (used in European maps) for the aproximative territory of today Budjak; it was never used as the name for East Moldova (the territory of Moldova (Republic) + the territory of Budjak).

The name Bessarabia was first used by Russia after 1812 as an administrative name fot the (Russian) territory of East Moldova. Klehus (talk) 14:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

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