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Sobhuza II

So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be interpreted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". 2601:249:9301:D570:B52E:5F5A:4889:7D69 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Clean-Up

It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. user:Yourlocallordandsavior. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

But the monarchs in the second list all have exact dates listed. Are you more saying these dates are incorrect? Ttutcha (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I actually think it's more of that we need verifiable sources for their dates instead of just random dates from unreliable and blacklisted sources such as Royalark and Indianrajputs. Infact Muhammad II of Kedah was removed from the first list because no reliable source could be found for his exact dates and all. S302921 (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

DO NOT INSERT Hassanal Bolkiah into independent ruler list until 2040

Brunei did not become an independent state until 1984. He therefore should not be on the list until 2040. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

In a similar vein, how should Sobhuza II's reign be handled, since the last 14 years of his reign were of an independent country, yet his entire 83 year reign is listed in the non-sovereign section. Should it only include up to 1968 there? 2601:249:9301:D570:A58F:3494:CAD4:696F (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

From my interpretation, I would just combine the non-sovereign and sovereign reigns together and label it as non-sovereign. Just write it down that non-sovereign's the default and that if it exceeds 56 years of Conrad, then it belongs on both lists. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, it seems inconsistent to combine sovereign and non-sovereign for one of the affected individuals, but not the other. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Who would be next?

I did a brief search to find out who the next monarchs on the first list would be. If you know of any other monarch with a longer reign than those mentioned, you can add him.

No.	Portrait	Name	State	Reign		Duration		Ref.
				From	To	(days)	(years, days)
26		Alfonso VIII	Castile	31 August 1158	5 October 1214	20,489	56 years, 35 days
27		Henry III	England	19 October 1216	16 November 1272	20,482	56 years, 28 days
28		Lý Nhân Tông	Đại Việt	3 February 1072	15 January 1128	20,434	55 years, 346 days
29		Rainier III	Monaco	9 May 1949	6 April 2005	20,421	55 years, 332 days
30		Victor Amadeus II	Savoy	12 June 1675	3 September 1730	20,171	55 years, 83 days
31	File:Moulay Ismail Ibn Sherif.jpg	Moulay Ismail Ibn Sharif	Morocco	14 April 1672	22 March 1727	20,064	54 years, 342 days
32	File:.jpg	Renzong	Western Xia (China)	1 July 1139	16 October 1193	19,831	54 years, 107 days
33		Han Wudi	Han Dynasty (China)	7 March 141 BC	29 March 87 BC	19,745	54 years, 22 days
34		Thutmose III	Egypt	28 April 1479 BC	11 March 1425 BC	19,675	53 years, 317 days
35		Frederick III	Holy Roman Empire	2 February 1440	19 August 1493	19,557	53 years, 198 days
36		Cosimo III	Tuscany	23 May 1670	31 October 1723	19,518	53 years, 161 days
37		John II	Navarre	8 September 1425	20 January 1479	19,492	53 years, 134 days
38	File:.jpg	Chongzong	Western Xia (China)	11 September 1086	1 July 1139	18,199	52 years, 303 days
39		Eric III	Norway	8 September 1389	4 June 1442	19,261	52 years, 269 days
40		Frederick I	Sicily	17 May 1198	13 December 1250	19,203	52 years, 210 days
41	File:.jpg	Abdullah I	Kuwait	5 September 1762	3 May 1814	18,867	51 years, 240 days
42		Henry IV	Holy Roman Empire	17 July 1054	7 August 1106	19,013	52 years, 21 days
43		Margrethe II	Denmark	14 January 1972	14 January 2024	18,993	52 years, 0 days
44		Tahmasp I	Persia	23 May 1524	14 May 1576	18,984	51 years, 357 days
45		Casimir	Lithuania	29 June 1440	7 June 1492	18,971	51 years, 344 days
46		Haakon VII	Norway	18 November 1905	21 September 1957	18,935	51 years, 307 days
47		Ibn Saud	List Emirate of Riyadh (1902–1913) Emirate of Nejd and Hasa (1913–1921) Sultanate of Nejd (1921–1926) Kingdom of Hejaz and Nejd (1926–1932) Saudi Arabia (1932–1953)	13 January 1902	9 November 1953	18,928	51 years, 300 days
48		Jogaila	Lithuania	3 October 1382	1 June 1434	18,868	51 years, 241 days
49		Said bin Sultan	Oman	20 November 1804	4 June 1856	18,824	51 years, 197 days
50		Yeongjo	Joseon (Korea)	26 October 1724	22 April 1776	18,806	51 years, 179 days

Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Amazing although what about Thutmose III and Nguyễn Hoàng. Also weren't Savoy and Tuscany apart of the Holy Roman Empire. S302921 (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I will add Thutmose III. As for Nguyễn Hoàng, it appears that he was a feudal lord within the Lê Dynasty.

Italian states ceased to be part of the HRE at the Peace of Westphalia, in 1648. But thank you for Thutmose III.There are many Egyptian pharaohs, have I missed more? 177.91.168.2 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Also that about the subjects of photos i found photos for a couple monarchs online. I'm not sure if these are alk fulky reliable sources but still then.

Karansinhji II Vajirajji : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/lakhtar-Thakore-Sahib-KARANSINHJI-VAJIRAJJI-C-S-I-Thakore-Sahib-of-Lakhtar-1846-1924--1.jpg

Ram Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_bundi-HH-Maharao-Raja-Ram-Singh-Ji-Bahadur-1.jpg

Wakhat Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_lunawada-His-Highness-Maharaja-Shri-VAKHAT-SINHJI-K-C-I-E-22nd-Maharana-of-Lunawada-1867-1929-1.jpg

Nahar Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/shahpura_state-Rajadhiraj-Nahar-Singh-1.png S302921 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not experienced at uploading photos and wasn't sure about the source but these could still possibly be used here. S302921 (talk) 09:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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