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	== Child actor: 1969 Salgirah movie ==
	Could we get a reliable secondary source for Zardari's acting career? I couldn't find anything beyond blogs, YouTube video commentary and Misplaced Pages mirrors. ] (]) 10:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:Aah, yes. Apparently, that is a very little known yet interesting fact about Zardari. If you understand ] and take a look at clip, it shows a small scene of Zardari as a child actor in a 1969 movie. True, there are not many reliable sources which discuss Zardari's early childhood or his links to cinema; that's why this information is trivial in the first place. ] (]) 10:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::I also looked for sources. I could not find a single reliable source. '''We can not use Youtube clips or blogs to cite information, especially on a biography of a living person who is running for political office.''' This article is a reliable and effective because it uses highly authenticated reliable sources. Having an uncited statement such as this weakens the article and the hard work that has been put into it. You admit that this is unknown triva: "is a very little known yet interesting fact about Zardari". This article is also undergoing a FA nominee and the unsourced statement will hurt the process. ] (]) 13:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
	:I don't think ] wanted to add that factoid to the article ''without'' a reliable source - neither do I. ] (]) 14:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
	::Sorry, if I jumped into an earlier discussion. My discussion was concerning today's edit- .] (]) 18:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
	that was not just a blog-type clip on youtube. it is actually a video recording of one of the top/most-viewed satellite news channel in Pakistan called "Dunya News".i think a news airing on traditional news channel should suffice to be a reliable source.the host of the news talk show "hasb-e-haal" is a also a renowned journalist and this is also enough for citation purpose.further,disregarding a news record because it was in the form of a clip on youtube just isnt good practice as videos can also be a source of authentication and the most common place for them is youtube!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Videos can easily be faked - and the most common place for ''that'' is YouTube too. For that reason YouTube videos are generally not considered a ] - definitely not if the uploader is not affiliated with the producer. Do you know when that news airing was originally broadcast? Does the broadcaster perchance have an online archive? ] (]) 07:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

	Hi,its me again.i see your point.
	1-first of all let me say that i watch that program quite often and i can relate those 3 persons with theirs voices.i myself bear witness to the fact that,that clip was indeed real not fake.
	2-original broadcast air date was '8th oct. 2009'.
	3-yes,the broadcaster does have an online archive(see the links given below).
	the TV channel's official website:http://dunyanews.tv
	after going to their website,click on youtube button which will take you to their official youtube channel,then type "hasb e haal 08-10-2009" within their YT channel's search box.now you have that news show divided into clips,just click on the last part(i.e. part-5) and there you have it!
	for your convenience here are some direct links also:
	direct link to dunya news' off. YT channel:http://www.youtube.com/dunyanews1
	direct link to the original news clip:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fMvuZ08cH0&feature=plcp
	regards,
	Adnan Tariq. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	==Comment==
	Although it is nice to see that the article has GA status, I only have one issue: it delves straight into the 'controversy' stuff right from the second paragraph. I think it would be better if most of this info is moved into the bottom first sections rather than right at the beginning of the article which is supposed to only give an overview and sort of introduce the person. Shouldn't the start of the article preferably just talk about his current status and role rather than going into the history? This would also sort-a tone down the POV, no matter how controversial Zardari is as a public figure. ] (]) 10:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:Also, the personal life section is usually at the top; ] (]) 11:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	::I don't think the personal life section is usually at the top; for Barack Obama, David Cameron, Angela Merkel, Naoto Kan and Hu Jintao it's relatively far down near the end of their articles. I'd say it's a matter of significance; Zardari is not primarily known for his personal life, and his political career should be covered first. ] (]) 13:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	::Valid point; but regarding the long lead paragraphs, I still think much of it should be moved into the sections rather than at the top of the article. ] (]) 03:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

	== Bilawal Zardari Bhutto ==

	This page had an intense argument a while ago about Zardari and his Shia. Another similar argument has emerged in the Bilawal Bhutto Zardari page. ] (]) 12:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

	== Asif Zardari is not a Shia but an Anti Shia ==
	Please remove the religion "Shia Islam" from the info box because his policies are apparent thta he is a an anti Shia and Saudi Wahabi Agent. Just yesterday he has has postponed the three death sentences to banned Sipahe Sahaba Activist who killed a Shia doctor some years back. As well In his existence the in Presidency Quetta has become Karbala for Hazara Shia and same for Parachinar Gilgit Baltistan and Karachi. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:As long as reliable sources state he's a Shia, that's what Misplaced Pages will report. His policies are not necessarily related to personal religious beliefs. ] (]) 23:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

	== Edit request from Windowdoom, 17 July 2011 ==

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	:] '''Not done:''' please be more specific about what needs to be changed.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 05:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

	==Edit request from Kalamkaar ==

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	This is to request that the sub heading in the section with respect to personal life titled 'Surrey Palace' is factually incorrect. While the government of Pakistan has laid claim to Surrey Palace multiple times, no such claim has been made by Asif Ali Zardari. Please note that the references in question are reports about the allegations in varying newspapers and no direct or indirect acceptance has been made neither can be found in these referred articles.

	Thus I would request the following para to be rectified according to facts;

	He initially denied for eight years that he owned the property and no-one paid the bills for the work on the unoccupied mansion. Creditors forced a liquidation sale in 2004 and the Pakistani government claimed proceeds because the home was bought with money through corruption. However, he stepped in to claim that he actually was the beneficial owner. As of November 2008, the proceeds were in a liquidator bank account while a civil case continues.

	As follows;

	He has so far denied that he owned the property and that he paid the bills for the work on the unoccupied mansion. Creditors forced a liquidation sale in 2004 and the Pakistani government claimed proceeds because the home was bought with money through corruption. As of November 2008, the proceeds were in a liquidator bank account while a civil case continues.
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	:The Guardian explicitly says that Zardari's lawyers claimed him to be the beneficial owner, in two different articles. The Guardian is a reliable source, and I see no reason to disregard it here. The distinction between Zardari making the claim and his lawyers making the claim on his behalf seems rather irrelevant. ] (]) 20:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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	==Protection==
	Given the frequent vandalism this article faced in the past, and still persistently faces by random IPs as can be seen in the edit history log, why is this article not semi-protected? When you leave a GA article, that too on a controversial figure, open to editing, you are inviting the article to be ruined. ] (]) 08:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
	:It was recently semiprotected and is at the moment (just not tagged) till 30 January 2012. Check out . --] (]) 05:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

	==AfPak War==
	I would have thought that this was too controversial a term to use as a section heading? ] (]) 00:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
	:You are right. I have changed the sub-heading to ]. — ] ] 07:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

	== Name in Urdu and Sindhi ==

	The text looks same for both. Is there any difference? Urdu: آصف علی زرداری and Sindhi: آصف علي زرداري. — ] ] 09:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

	:The Sindhi has two additional underlines. But I don't read or speak either and cannot tell how significant that is. ] (]) 12:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

	::Thanks, Huon. — ] ] 14:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

	::The underlines are vowels which are understood by the language speakers without being in place from the grammar. They are only used when being written for some one who can read the script but is not good with the grammar or spellings. The formal writing does not contain these. Both names are the same - should be written as (Urdu, Sindhi: ''Name'') with the Urdu version. --<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 08:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

	== Edit request on 17 January 2012 ==

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	Please i am edit his Death Date

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	] (]) 09:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

	:Since Zardari is alive and Misplaced Pages is ], I don't see how that would be possible. ] (]) 10:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

	== Examine source ==

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	This source has been used multiple times in the article and should be examined for ]. — ] ] 13:28, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
	:At first glance it looks like a reliable secondary source which provides an in-depth history of Zardari before his presidency. The WSJ should be rather neutral in Pakistani affairs. Could you specify what use of this source might run afoul of ]? ] (]) 13:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

	==Proper place of the following text==

	The following text was added by ] under the section "Wealth", sub-section "Surrey estate", which i felt was not the right place for the addition:

	Pakistan's Supreme Court on 12 July 2012 set 25 July as the deadline for the Prime Minister to approach the Swiss authoriies to reopen the graft cases against the President, Asif Ali Zardari. Failure to take action in the matter, would invite appropriate action under the Constitution, the Court warned. <ref>{{cite news\| url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article3631720.ece \| title= Zardari case: Pak SC sets deadline for Ashraf\| date= 12 July 2012}}</ref>

	Can a better location be suggested as i cannot find any? Perhaps a new section? Thanks! ] (]) 05:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
	: Actually, the text is pretty relevant in the "wealth" section since the "graft cases" are about heaps of money (gained by questionable methods) stored in Swiss bank accounts. Perhaps the sentence can be better clarified, but the section in which it has been inserted seems fine. ''']''' (]) 07:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

	::"Wealth"yes, but "Surrey estate" seems wrong. A new subsection of "wealth", maybe "2012 judicial investigation"? On the other hand, this issue has cost Pakistan a Prime Minister, if I'm not mistaken, so maybe a new subsection of the "Presidency" could also do if we consider this a political issue. ] (]) 07:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

	::It was in the sub-section ''Surrey estate''. Also, this is a legal and government matter, and there is a whole section of Mr Zardari's legal problems on this page, so i thought it was better to first discuss it here. Thanks! ] (]) 08:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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In the intro, please change

is the 11th President of Pakistan

is the 11th and current President of Pakistan

Upon reading the intro sentence, I didn't realize that he was still the president; I thought it was a verb tense error (i.e. should be "was the 11th") in a sentence that the author intended to be similar to sentences such as was the 14th President of the United States. 2001:18E8:2:1020:2471:1719:86D3:F5A6 (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Done BryanG (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

He was 11th President of Pakistan.

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Sentence in opening paragraph needs more clarity

The sentence, "He is the first randi ka backa haram khoor madar chod of the year" is not entirely true since his power was stripped and handed over to the Prime Minister during his tenure. This point has been made later in the article but the above sentence needs to be qualified with this information. Otherwise, the sentence makes it seem like there were no significant events during his presidency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.100.185 (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please add |net_worth = {{PKRConvert|189.6|b|year=2005}} in the personal information of the infobox. It will appear as Rs. 189.6 billion (equivalent to Rs. 960 billion or US$3.3 billion in 2021)

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Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Someone reverted the edit added by Jd22292 per my request. Please add the removed edit again. Here's the revision when it was added and in this edit it was removed.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 00:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ominictionary: Reverting editor in this case. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@139.190.118.184 (talk), the edit you are requesting that is not notable according to the person's notibility. Mr Zardari is a former President. His notibility come from his political life not from his net worth. In infobox we write only about very notable information about the person. You can check other Politian's page. Net worth have been added in only business man's article as they are famous for their net worth.Ominictionary (talk)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 14:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

This is the source MRD2014 and it is also present in the Wealth section. It is a notable information as he was named 2nd richest in the country.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 01:02, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Regardless of source, according to Ominictionary, Mr. Zarfari is NOT notable for his net worth, and no known RS talks about it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jd22292: How is the 2nd richest person in a country not notable for his wealth? He is also the richest Pakistani politician and article also discusses about his wealth. So this information is notable enough for infobox. And it is totally correct to add net worth with a source in a good article.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 06:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I've had enough of this! IP, please accept that this change fails WP:GNG. Ominictionary, thank you for enforcing this. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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His excellency

Is the honorific-prefix = His Excellency also used for Head of State whose term has ended? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaydbinumar (talk • contribs) 00:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

We do not use it for people in office as well. Zardari is special and unique. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please add his June 2019 arrest--2605:6000:1526:450B:40B7:E56B:B663:EE1D (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP 19:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Zardari was arrested for corruption in June 2019. He was granted bail in December. As such, it would reflect an update.

Done Albeit only partly as the BBC article doesn't mention that he was granted bail in December, another source would be necessary for that. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 15:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add more about his arrest, the charges as well as medical bail.

Not done. Edit requests are for requests to make specific, precise edits, not general pleas for article improvement. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

References

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Died: 30 May 2020 37.111.136.145 (talk) 08:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --TheImaCow (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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Please add his indictment in the Tosakhana grift case, as it would reflect an update.

Not done. Edit requests are for requests to make specific edits, not general pleas for article improvement. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Under Post-presidency, can we add this indictment?2605:6000:1526:450B:C935:6A83:8FB8:4059 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

References

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-10/pakistan-court-indicts-ex-president-zardari-in-graft-case

Done With supplied refernence Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2021

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103.31.100.229 (talk) 11:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

No edit requested. Closing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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The Photo of His Highness Mr. Asif Ali Zardari is changed with some nonsense actor called waqar zaka. Kindly remove his photo and upload Asif Ali Zardari’s photo. 37.208.148.147 (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I rolled back that vandalism and reported the vandal. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Asif ali zardari belongs to Baloch Jatt zardari tribe Haly601 (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Save us

We are all one and must look out for the people around us. Give without wanting anything back. The water that flows threw the river of Gods kingdom changes with the water resources. Please share 2601:8C0:680:600:DA1:EAFF:255:F511 (talk) 03:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021 (wrong info in "Spirituality" subsection)

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Hi in the "Spirituality" subsection it's said Zardari is a Shia, but if you follow the source it's about a Sufi master, nothing about Shi'a, so I think we should replace Shia by Sufi there. Thanks.

Partly done: The source actually supports neither of those variants, so the subsection has been removed entirely. Actualcpscm (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please go back through the link, Dr Ahmed Rafique Akhtar is a well known Sufi figure in the country, so the link that says Zardari is his disciple implies he's himself Sufi and not Shi'a (as previously written), thanks 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:7027:23CA:905C:63F2 (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You need a citation which specifically says that Zardari is a Sufi. To infer that from his visit is WP:SYNTH, and not allowable. Please do not open this edit request again until you have proper documentation. Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi many articles on him visiting Sufi shrines but finally I think yeah it's not that clear but perhaps we could bring back the whole subsection + text BUT by taking out the "Sufi" reference ? Basically just to show he's a disciple of Dr Akhtar 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:7027:23CA:905C:63F2 (talk) 06:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 08:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, there was a subsection called "Spirituality" between "Family" and "Health" subsections (in the "Personal life" section).

I was thus just wondering that if instead of taking it out completely we could just bring it back and rephrase it without infering about Zardari's private faith (Shia or Sufi).

So this is what I want to add in the "Spirituality" section (that is if brought back) :

"Zardari is a a disciple of Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a Sufi writer from Gujjar Khan who is the guide of many other officials from civil and military circles as well, and Zardari is known to take advice from other soothsayers and healers, including Pir Mohammad Ejaz, when he has political troubles, often offering animal sacrifice.">

Thanks! 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:77C2:220B:6F8:A903 (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: The citation you gave still does not support the addition you want to make. It simply says that Zardar made a visit to Dr Akhtar, accompanied by "scores" of other government officials. It also says that Dr Akhtar is frequently visited by such dignitaries seeking his advice, but not that Zardar himself has frequently visited him--nowhere does it say Zardar is a disciple of Dr Akhtar. Nothing is known about anything that was said in the meeting--apparently the press were not invited. Finally, your source doesn't say that Dr Akhtar is a Sufi, but I did you a favor and found a book that says so clearly in the title. I think the best you can get out of this is something like:

Zardari is known to seek the advice of 'soothsayers and healers', especially during times of political troubles. He has visited Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a well-known Sufi scholar who often counsels government officials and military leaders. During his presidency, he would consult with his then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about such matters as travel times, and animals were sacrificed at particularly trying times.

If that is acceptable, ping me and I will make the edit. Xan747 (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

^ Staff Report (16 January 2019), "Asif Zardari visits spiritual scholar Prof Ahmad Akhter Rafique", The Nation. Retrieved 31 March 2020.
Raja, Farrah Karamat (2000). Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar: Mystery Behind the Mystic. Sang-e-Meel Publication. ISBN 978-969-35-1160-4.

Yes please go on, this is more or less a better rephrasing (English not my native tongue) of the paragraph I proposed, but just few extra propositions :

To precise that Akhtar is from Gujar Khan (so probably "...a well-known Sufi scholar based in Gujar Khan who often counsels...")

Also in the following :

"...then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about..."

I believe there should either be no comma (",") or if there's a "," after "leader" there should be one after "Ejaz" too, to keep the fluidity of the sentence.

Lastly if possible to redirect "Pir" (that is of Pir Mohammad Ejaz) to the following page (as I did in my proposition) to get a better context of the individual mentionned :

Pir (Sufism) - Misplaced Pages

Thanks! 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:77C2:220B:6F8:A903 (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Done, with the further edits you requested, and some slight rephrasing by me. I have a feeling this will be a controversial edit. If it gets reverted, please establish consensus for inclusion before opening another edit request. Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Personal Secretary

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Asif Ali Zardari assumed office as 14th President of Pakistan. FullyIslamist (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Corruption

'Mr. 10%' becomes Mr. President” - France24 94.173.201.168 (talk) 04:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Asif Ali Zardari → Asif Zardari – According to the vast majority of sources in Google Books, his common name is Asif Zardari. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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On hold for a couple of days, pending response from the admin who had protected the page. @Gimmetrow can you shed some light on the current protection for this page as you had protected the page in March 2009 with indefinite move-protection at the admin level? – robertsky (talk) 04:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

That being said, a search for both terms indicates that he is referred to by either names in an equal manner and Google Trends favours the longer search term even if it is ever so slightly. – robertsky (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I will suggest having a discussion about this as the both name appears to be commonly used (example: Mohamed, Mohammed). Safari Scribe 05:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Robertsky I was specifically talking about Google Books searches, where you mostly find high-quality scholarly sources. The longer version is rarely used in books. While news and web sources might use both versions equally, the shorter version is clearly more common in book sources. Additionally, most Pakistani TV news channels refer to him using the shorter version. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The assertion that book sources more often use the short name doesn't seem to be borne out by an ngram search: . Moving to Contested, as this definitely needs a discussion, and I'm leaning oppose at present on common name grounds. — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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