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== He was 11th President of Pakistan. ==

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== Sentence in opening paragraph needs more clarity ==

The sentence, "He is the first randi ka backa haram khoor madar chod of the year" is not entirely true since his power was stripped and handed over to the Prime Minister during his tenure. This point has been made later in the article but the above sentence needs to be qualified with this information. Otherwise, the sentence makes it seem like there were no significant events during his presidency. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2017 ==

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Please add {{para|net_worth | <nowiki>{{PKRConvert|189.6|b|year=2005}}</nowiki>}} in the personal information of the infobox. It will appear as {{PKRConvert|189.6|b|year=2005}}

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:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ] <span style="background-color:#368ec9">(Jalen D. Folf)</span> (]) 22:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017 ==

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Someone reverted the edit added by {{u|Jd22292}} per my request. Please add the removed edit again. Here's the when it was added and in it was removed.--] (]) 00:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ominictionary}} Reverting editor in this case. ] <span style="background-color:#368ec9">(Jalen D. Folf)</span> (]) 00:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@] (]), the edit you are requesting that is not notable according to the person's notibility. Mr Zardari is a former President. His notibility come from his political life not from his net worth. In infobox we write only about very notable information about the person. You can check other Politian's page. Net worth have been added in only business man's article as they are famous for their net worth.] (])

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::: is the source {{u|MRD2014}} and it is also present in the ]. It is a notable information as he was named 2nd richest in the country.--] (]) 01:02, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Regardless of source, according to Ominictionary, Mr. Zarfari is NOT notable for his net worth, and no known RS talks about it. ] <span style="background-color:#368ec9">(Jalen D. Folf)</span> (]) 01:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jd22292}} How is the 2nd richest person in a country not notable for his wealth? He is also the richest Pakistani politician and article also discusses about his wealth. So this information is notable enough for infobox. And it is totally correct to add net worth with a source in a good article.--] (]) 06:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2018 ==

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== His excellency ==

Is the honorific-prefix = ] also used for Head of State whose term has ended? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:We do not use it for people in office as well. Zardari is special and unique. ] &#124; ] &#124; 00:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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Please add his June 2019 arrest--] (]) 19:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''] <sup>(] • ])</sup>''' 19:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Zardari was arrested for corruption in June 2019. He was granted bail in December. As such, it would reflect an update.<ref>https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-48584887</ref>
:] '''Done''' Albeit only partly as the BBC article doesn't mention that he was granted bail in December, another source would be necessary for that.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (] | ]) 15:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add more about his arrest, the charges as well as medical bail.<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-11/pakistan-court-orders-ex-president-zardari-s-release-on-bail</ref>
:{{Not done}}. Edit requests are for requests to make specific, precise edits, not general pleas for article improvement. &ndash;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]) 22:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020 ==

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== Semi-protected edit request ==

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Please add his indictment in the Tosakhana grift case, as it would reflect an update.
<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-10/pakistan-court-indicts-ex-president-zardari-in-graft-case</ref>

:{{Not done}}. Edit requests are for requests to make specific edits, not general pleas for article improvement. &ndash;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]) 02:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Under Post-presidency, can we add this indictment?] (]) 20:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2021 ==

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:No edit requested. Closing. ] (]) 11:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021 ==

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The Photo of His Highness Mr. Asif Ali Zardari is changed with some nonsense actor called waqar zaka. Kindly remove his photo and upload Asif Ali Zardari’s photo. ] (]) 17:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. I rolled back that vandalism and reported the vandal. ] (]) 18:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021 ==

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Asif ali zardari belongs to Baloch Jatt zardari tribe ] (]) 00:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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== Save us ==

We are all one and must look out for the people around us. Give without wanting anything back. The water that flows threw the river of Gods kingdom changes with the water resources. Please share ] (]) 03:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021 (wrong info in "Spirituality" subsection) ==

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Hi in the "Spirituality" subsection it's said Zardari is a Shia, but if you follow the source it's about a Sufi master, nothing about Shi'a, so I think we should replace Shia by Sufi there. Thanks.
:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> The source actually supports neither of those variants, so the subsection has been removed entirely. ] (]) 07:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, please go back through the link, Dr Ahmed Rafique Akhtar is a well known Sufi figure in the country, so the link that says Zardari is his disciple implies he's himself Sufi and not Shi'a (as previously written), thanks ] (]) 18:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
: ] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> You need a citation which specifically says that Zardari is a Sufi. To infer that from his visit is ], and not allowable. Please do not open this edit request again until you have proper documentation. Thanks, ] (]) 20:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hi many articles on him visiting Sufi shrines but finally I think yeah it's not that clear but perhaps we could bring back the whole subsection + text BUT by taking out the "Sufi" reference ? Basically just to show he's a disciple of Dr Akhtar ] (]) 06:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
:::] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 08:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi, there was a subsection called "Spirituality" between "Family" and "Health" subsections (in the "Personal life" section).
::::I was thus just wondering that if instead of taking it out completely we could just bring it back and rephrase it without infering about Zardari's private faith (Shia or Sufi).
::::So this is what I want to add in the "Spirituality" section (that is if brought back) :
::::"Zardari is a a disciple of Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a ] writer from ] who is the guide of many other officials from civil and military circles as well, and Zardari is known to take advice from other soothsayers and healers, including ] Mohammad Ejaz, when he has political troubles, often offering animal sacrifice.<ref>Staff Report (16 January 2019), , ''The Nation''. Retrieved 31 March 2020.</ref>">
::::Thanks! ] (]) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> The citation you gave still does not support the addition you want to make. It simply says that Zardar made a visit to Dr Akhtar, accompanied by "scores" of other government officials. It also says that Dr Akhtar is frequently visited by such dignitaries seeking his advice, but not that Zardar himself has frequently visited him--nowhere does it say Zardar is a disciple of Dr Akhtar. Nothing is known about anything that was said in the meeting--apparently the press were not invited. Finally, your source doesn't say that Dr Akhtar is a Sufi, but I did you a favor and found a book<ref>{{Cite book |last=Raja |first=Farrah Karamat |url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Prof_Ahmad_Rafique_Akhtar.html?id=L9vXAAAAMAAJ |title=Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar: Mystery Behind the Mystic |date=2000 |publisher=Sang-e-Meel Publication |isbn=978-969-35-1160-4 |language=en}}</ref> that says so clearly in the title. I think the best you can get out of this is something like:

{{tq|Zardari is known to seek the advice of 'soothsayers and healers', especially during times of political troubles. He has visited Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a well-known Sufi scholar who often counsels government officials and military leaders. During his presidency, he would consult with his then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about such matters as travel times, and animals were sacrificed at particularly trying times.}}

If that is acceptable, ping me and I will make the edit. ] (]) 00:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC) <references />

:Yes please go on, this is more or less a better rephrasing (English not my native tongue) of the paragraph I proposed, but just few extra propositions :
:To precise that Akhtar is from ] (so probably "...a well-known Sufi scholar based in ] who often counsels...")
:Also in the following :
:"...then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about..."
:I believe there should either be no comma (",") or if there's a "," after "leader" there should be one after "Ejaz" too, to keep the fluidity of the sentence.
:Lastly if possible to redirect "Pir" (that is of ] Mohammad Ejaz) to the following page (as I did in my proposition) to get a better context of the individual mentionned :
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:Thanks! ] (]) 08:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
::{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp -->, with the further edits you requested, and some slight rephrasing by me. I have a feeling this will be a controversial edit. If it gets reverted, please establish consensus for inclusion before opening another edit request. Thanks, ] (]) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

== Personal Secretary ==

persnol Secretary Abdullah Baloch ] (]) 11:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2024 ==

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Asif Ali Zardari assumed office as 14th President of Pakistan. ] (]) 12:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Corruption ==

'Mr. 10%' becomes Mr. President” - France24 ] (]) 04:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


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Asif Ali ZardariAsif Zardari – According to the vast majority of sources in Google Books, his common name is Asif Zardari. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown  On hold for a couple of days, pending response from the admin who had protected the page. @Gimmetrow can you shed some light on the current protection for this page as you had protected the page in March 2009 with indefinite move-protection at the admin level? – robertsky (talk) 04:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
That being said, a search for both terms indicates that he is referred to by either names in an equal manner and Google Trends favours the longer search term even if it is ever so slightly. – robertsky (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
I will suggest having a discussion about this as the both name appears to be commonly used (example: Mohamed, Mohammed). Safari Scribe 05:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
@Robertsky I was specifically talking about Google Books searches, where you mostly find high-quality scholarly sources. The longer version is rarely used in books. While news and web sources might use both versions equally, the shorter version is clearly more common in book sources. Additionally, most Pakistani TV news channels refer to him using the shorter version. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
The assertion that book sources more often use the short name doesn't seem to be borne out by an ngram search: . Moving to Contested, as this definitely needs a discussion, and I'm leaning oppose at present on common name grounds.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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