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Allegations of stolen GTA V assets
There have been various allegations about this game such as one accusing RedThread of stealing assets from GTA V or at least copying the frame of an apartment building from GTA V. Should this be added to the reception section, or is this information not concrete enough to include? Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 04:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have a source --FMSky (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have found various sources covering this topic, but they all seem to be extremely biased.
- 'Dustborn' Developer Appears To Confirm Game Features Stolen Assets, Disparages Men, And Threatens To Push Gay Agenda In Video Games (thatparkplace.com)
- Dustborn stealing assets? :: Dustborn General Discussions (steamcommunity.com)
- Dustborn Dev Goes On The Attack After Caught STEALING Game Assets... (smashjt.com) Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 18:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Screen Rant is a leftist website and is considered a reliable source, I don't know why? Of the previous sources, only thatparkplace.com can be considered, steamcommunity.com is a forum and therefore is not valid to be a reliable source, and about smashjt.com, some Misplaced Pages administrators consider it a "far-right" website even though its veracity has been proven.
- I add an impartial page like ixbt.games that talks about the same subject of the theft from GTA with conclusive evidence, but i don't think some users accept it because it is a RUSSIAN website. Bye
No reliable source has covered this because you can just buy the apartment assets to use in your own game from TurboSquid - https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/modern-interior-furniture-and-props-pack-1997031 - hahnchen 15:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Sales
Regarding this edit.
The peak number of concurrent players says little to nothing about the sales. In theory, it could be 80 new players playing the game every hour, or it could be the same 80 players playing the game every hour. Moreover, the source does not appear to be commenting on whether the game "failed to attract players". Its speculative comment translates to "The launch of Dustborn appears to have gone rather poorly" (emphasis added). Lastly, the figure does not reflect the numbers on Xbox, PlayStation, and Epic Games Store, so it cannot be used for broad statements about the game anywhere except on Steam. Daisy Blue (talk) 07:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So what about
Eurogamer reported that the game's launch on Steam seems to have gone "rather poorly", reaching a peak player count of only 83 concurrent players on the platform
--FMSky (talk) 07:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- That is in line with the source, however, as I mentioned on WP:AN, it's not a statement about sales, nor can the number of sales be reasonably inferred from that data point. Unless Misplaced Pages allows for a way for that information to exist somewhere outside a Sales section, it should be removed altogether. Daisy Blue (talk) 07:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then just remove the "Sales" heading and list it under Reception --FMSky (talk) 07:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:VGLAYOUT, "Reception: This should detail how the game was received by critics." (emphasis mine). Daisy Blue (talk) 07:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- You know we also have
In the week following the game's release, it failed to reach the Top 100 games sold on Steam, both globally and in Norway., as well as failing to appear in the Top 40 most played games on Xbox and PS5.
. What is the problem with that --FMSky (talk) 07:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- That's a separate subject. Created a separate section on that below. Daisy Blue (talk) 07:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- You know we also have
- Per WP:VGLAYOUT, "Reception: This should detail how the game was received by critics." (emphasis mine). Daisy Blue (talk) 07:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then just remove the "Sales" heading and list it under Reception --FMSky (talk) 07:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is in line with the source, however, as I mentioned on WP:AN, it's not a statement about sales, nor can the number of sales be reasonably inferred from that data point. Unless Misplaced Pages allows for a way for that information to exist somewhere outside a Sales section, it should be removed altogether. Daisy Blue (talk) 07:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Sales - charts
Regarding these edits by Poketape, they are original research, as they include no reference to anyone making those claims. It's Poketape inserting their own interpretation of the charts. Daisy Blue (talk) 07:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you here to improve this article? --FMSky (talk) 07:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Directly citing charts needs to have an actual purpose besides dunking on the game. It's not typical to mention that a game failed to chart, because most games fail to chart, though in the specific case of the Steam charts, it had an article devoted to it, showing that it did notably poorly. In contrast, a game can not be on the charts and still be successful, raising the question of why it is mentioned. Removing POV pushing is definitely improving the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I introduced them to the article and cited them as there was a complaint that the Steam article did not cover other platforms, so I felt finding tracking information on other platforms would be the best way to assuage those concerns. poketape (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Directly citing charts needs to have an actual purpose besides dunking on the game. It's not typical to mention that a game failed to chart, because most games fail to chart, though in the specific case of the Steam charts, it had an article devoted to it, showing that it did notably poorly. In contrast, a game can not be on the charts and still be successful, raising the question of why it is mentioned. Removing POV pushing is definitely improving the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
"The developers have expressed disappointment at the wave of hatred and harassment targeted towards them online"
https://www.igromania.ru/news/142113/sozdateli-yarkoj-i-spornoj-dustborn-otvetili-na-nenavist-v-seti/ https://kanobu.ru/news/sozdateli-provalnoj-dustborn-proehalis-po-kritikam-i-hejteram-490285/
Should we include this? Trade (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think using non-English sources is a great idea unless there are no reliable or equivalent sources on the matter in English. Thankfully, there are in this case: PC Gamer, Kotaku. That aside, I'm not sure which section it would be good for. There is a Release section under Development that contains the controversy in Hogwarts Legacy, which is a WP:GA. Daisy Blue (talk) 04:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)