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Section sizes Section size for Greece (58 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 15,495 15,495 Name 1,726 1,726 History 42 74,858 Prehistory and Aegean civilizations 5,549 5,549 Ancient Greece 10,344 10,344 Roman province (146 BC – 4th century AD) 6,918 6,918 Medieval period (4th–15th century) 10,682 10,682 Venetian possessions and Ottoman rule (15th century – 1821) 4,895 4,895 Modern nation-state 61 36,428 Greek War of Independence (1821–1832) 5,147 5,147 Kingdom of Greece 10,105 10,105 Expansion, disaster, and reconstruction 7,564 7,564 Dictatorship, World War II, and reconstruction 6,470 6,470 Third Hellenic Republic 7,081 7,081 Geography 9,707 20,116 Islands 1,533 1,533 Climate 3,722 3,722 Biodiversity 5,154 5,154 Politics 4,922 28,453 Political parties 5,596 5,596 Foreign relations 8,084 8,084 Military 3,055 3,055 Law and justice 883 883 Administrative divisions 5,913 5,913 Economy 13,021 57,816 Debt crisis (2010–2018) 16,353 16,353 Agriculture 2,215 2,215 Energy 2,651 2,651 Maritime 4,581 4,581 Tourism 5,742 5,742 Transport 4,945 4,945 Telecommunications 2,961 2,961 Science and technology 5,347 5,347 Demographics 3,293 37,386 Cities 1,746 1,746 Religion 11,577 11,577 Languages 6,193 6,193 Migration 5,746 5,746 Education 4,742 4,742 Healthcare system 4,089 4,089 Culture 2,874 45,011 Visual arts 3,686 3,686 Architecture 4,062 4,062 Theatre 3,026 3,026 Literature 3,766 3,766 Philosophy 3,182 3,182 Music and dances 7,645 7,645 Cuisine 2,864 2,864 Cinema 5,816 5,816 Sports 5,653 5,653 Public holidays and festivals 2,437 2,437 See also 155 155 Notes 50 50 References 17 10,480 Citations 36 36 Bibliography 9,868 9,868 Further reading 559 559 External links 1,129 1,129 Total 292,675 292,675

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Remove intricate details and reduce the word count from 14,000 to a more readable 10,000 at maximum. 64.189.18.34 (talk) 06:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 06:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Needs a sub section regarding their involvement of persecuting ottoman Muslims during ottoman contraction

Examples of this can be seen in Crete and the fall of Thessaloniki. Greece was one of the key players in persecuting ottoman Muslims and its page should not be exempt from at least outlining how when and where it did so. 92.40.196.175 (talk) 17:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Religion

The part in the infobox talking about religion is largely outdated with more recen studies depicting a different attitude towards religion.

https://www.kathimerini.gr/society/562979893/dimoskopisi-dianeosis-statheri-axia-i-thriskeia-kai-nea-agonia-gia-to-klima/

This study says that 18.9% of the population doesnt believe in religion.

While in this study "The U.S. government estimates the total population at 10.5 million (midyear 2022). According to research polls, 81 to 90 percent of the population identifies as Greek Orthodox, 4 to 15 percent as atheist, and 2 percent as Muslim."

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/greece/ Takis S1 (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Establishment

Why doesn't Greece on Misplaced Pages have establishment dates before 1830? In other countries you have establishment dates much earlier than the modern establishment of the state, such as Turkey, Egypt, Bulgaria, etc. There are many examples of the establishment of a Greek state in the past such as the Union of Corinth, the Union of Deilos, the Macedonian empire, and the later Byzantine empire. There is even a Misplaced Pages page that refers to it under the title "Greek Empire"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Greek_Empire Ypoferomai (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

That's been repeatedly debated before, most recently at Talk:Greece/Archive_17#Why arent ancient/medieval Greek Kingdoms like the Macedonian Empire, Byzantine Empire, Myceneans, Minoans, Cycladics, Greek City States and so on included in the „Establishment“ part of the info box? and earlier at Talk:Greece/Archive_16#Inclusion of the League of Corinth in the infobox. The short answer is: there was never any state in history before 1830 that was called Greece, had any kind of historical continuity with the present-day state, or was even just roughly coextensive geographically with it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that obviously these ancient states or entities couldn't really be added here as early stages of the modern Hellenic Republic, since, despite the fact they had a perception of "Greece", they did not exactly form one unified Greek state that developed into modern Greece. Same thing for Italy, where the establisment section doesn't include Rome. On the other hand, I used to think that this section was based primarily on continuity; while countries like France, the UK, Turkey etc. have a direct and unborken continuity with their previous empires, that's not the case with some other countries. One example is Egypt, where the section starts from the 4th millenium BC; can we actually claim that the modern Arab Republic of Egypt is a continuation of the ancient Egyptian kingdoms, at least in any meaningful way? I guess what counts here as "continuity" is the very name "Egypt" (?). But again, ancient Egypt ceased to exist as a state when it fell to the Romans in 31 BC (which is not mentioned there), well before the territory got conquered by the Arabs. Generally, these infoboxes can be very tricky. Piccco (talk) 10:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Albania, for example, fell into the hands of the Ottomans. Nevertheless, the kingdom of Arbanon is mentioned. The same is happening with Bulgaria. I think the same should be happening with Greece since there were many cases of Greek empires and alliances in the Greek peninsula such as the Corinthian league and the Macedonian empire. :) Ypoferomai (talk) 10:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

The Albania article is a pretty bad example to follow, to my mind (Please don't fall into the trap of assuming that just because some other article does something a certain way, we should do it the same way in another – there are doubtless a lot of articles where things have gone wrong.) For Bulgaria (as for Egypt, Poland and a couple others), I've gone on record on an earlier occasion saying that I can at least marginally see a case for including them, given that they were clearly historical states that shared at least the name and the approximate territory, if not temporal continuity, with the present ones. Albania doesn't have that: there were historical states in what is now Albania, and inhabited/ruled by Albanians, but there was never a historical state of "Albania". Greece doesn't have it either. Just because there were certain states that were run by Greeks, or situated in what is now Greece, doesn't make these states "Greece". (Incidentally, the Greek Empire page you linked to is an utter mess and shouldn't exist.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I see your point regarding the other Balkan countries. I would like to kindly mention, however, that I still don't think it would be appropriate for anciet states or entities (like alliances etc.) to be used in the establishment section of the infobox of the modern Hellenic republic for the reasons that were given above. Piccco (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

The Corinthian League was also called the Hellenic league. It was founded by Philip of Macedonia and was the predecessor of the Macedonian empire. Macedoniam empire also is considered as an example of Greek unification. Also the Byzantine empire was occasionally referred to by others as the Greeks.

Georgia (the country) has a reference to the ancient kingdoms of Iberia and Colchis even though it was not a unified state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/League_of_Corinth Ypoferomai (talk) 11:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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