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ANI sues WMF for defamation

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ANI has sued the Wikimedia Foundation over the content in this article, alleging it is defamatory. Source: Live Law. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 06:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah just saw it in news but I am not sure, what is so objectionable ? So that they have taken a legal recourse? QueerEcofeminist🌈 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has declared them as propaganda. ArushR (talk) 10:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

With the way many editor editing Misplaced Pages conveniently picking news link as source. Many calling out Misplaced Pages as propaganda too. ChaobaJam (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ArushR: don't say such things. Misplaced Pages does not "declare them as propaganda". Misplaced Pages documents what reliable sources say, and if reliable sources say ANI is propaganda, then that's what gets written here. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ChaobaJam: Do you have reliable sources that speak of this issue we can use? That's the proper way to deal with this, rather than just griping. If you're just going to make allegations and slurs, then stop it. You risk getting blocked if you continue. See WP:NOTFORUM -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the objectionable part for which WMF is slapped with a lawsuit "the news agency has been criticized for having served as a propaganda tool for the incumbent central government distributing materials from a vast network of fake news websites and misreporting events." 210.212.189.98 (talk) 04:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

There is a short posting about this on an Indian law blog Bar and Bench. Not much more than the LiveLaw article above but it does quote some of the claims in the suit, including the rather interesting interpretation of semi-protection as "They have closed my (ANI's) page for editing by anyone and can only be edited through their representatives". Good luck with that argument, I suppose. Corundum Conundrum (CC) 16:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Seriously, why does Wiki show them in that bad light, don't find any good reason. ANI is the leading asia news agency and the page literally show them in totally bad light like fake news and all. ANy editor involved in it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.59.168.202 (talk) 21:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

We document what reliable sources say, so their objection is with those sources. ANI could try to sue them, but that would be a big mistake, as the Streisand effect is a powerful thing. The very fact they are suing, to presumably prevent people learning about the controversy, could be construed as a bad faith and counterproductive move, as their lawsuit only increases the likelihood that even more people will learn of it. They should just clean up their act and behave better. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they're just shooting themselves in the foot by yapping pointlessly... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

My point is not about preventing people from knowing fact but the very little thing like the quoted section,,(about fake news and all) could seriously misguide the people giving it a negative light which is generally not recommended.A very shrt percentage of the fact has been used to shed their negative light which is what I worry about @Valjean. 152.59.169.53 (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2024‎ (UTC)

You don't understand our rules here. See my response to you below. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The so called "reliable sources" :D 210.212.189.98 (talk) 04:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Valjean seems you are rattled by the lawsuit. But why? Be brave, let the attornies of WMF face the judiciary, everyone has a right to defend their integrity. I see nothing wrong in this 2 CR is not a big money. 210.212.189.98 (talk) 04:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me, because I have no skin in this game. I did not create that content, and I am not the one who wrote those RS. Those sources are at risk, not Misplaced Pages. Neither Misplaced Pages nor its editors have acted with malice toward ANI, and ANI will have to prove that in court. That is a fool's errand.

ANI's whole move is foolish, as that content is backed by many RS. If the RS have been used improperly, any editor is free to explain the error, thus rectifying the situation and changing the objectionable content. That should be easy to do. This attempt to use the courts, rather than following the normal processes here, shows that ANI knows the sources are correct and that it has a weak case. ANI seems to think that force, rather than facts, will win. It will not. To win, ANI must show it is acting in good faith. It is not doing that because it has not first tried to produce RS that show the RS we use are in error.

That's why we don't allow legal threats here. We force editors to use RS and edit the content. ANI's allies should try to do that. If there are RS that show it is innocent, let ANI produce those sources. Absent those sources, the content will remain unchanged and ANI will make a spectacle of itself in court and before the world. Its reputational damage will be done by itself. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 05:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say anything, I told what happened...That's all ArushR (talk) 07:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

* The IT Act, 2000 defines an intermediary under Section 2(1)(w) as: any digital company(WMF in this case) who on behalf of another person(Misplaced Pages editors) receives, stores or transmits that record or provides any service with respect to that record and includes telecom service providers, network service providers, internet service providers, web-hosting service providers, search engines, online payment sites, online-auction sites, online-market places and cyber cafes.

* The Information Technology (IT) Act, 2000 in India provides a framework for regulating intermediaries and their liabilities regarding the content hosted or transmitted through their platforms.

* The intermediary has not conspired, abetted, aided, or induced the commission of the unlawful act (defamation if proven in this case)

* If an intermediary fails to remove or disable access to unlawful content after receiving actual knowledge or notification, they can lose the safe harbor protection under Section 79 and become liable for that content.

* The IT Act provides a conditional safe harbor for intermediaries, protecting them from liability for third-party content if they comply with certain conditions, such as removing or disabling access to unlawful content upon receiving actual knowledge.

• The credibility of the purportedly "reliable sources" was not taken into account by Indian courts. The WMF is responsible for demonstrating the validity of the "reliable sources". It was not the Indian judiciary that relied on the views of these "reliable sources"' editors. They will ask for the evidence.

210.212.189.98 (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear @210.212.189.98, This is absolutely absurd logic. No editor on Misplaced Pages adds anything without a reliable source. If ANI has to file a case, they should do so against the sources that have called ANI a mouthpiece of the government, not against the Wikimedia Foundation.

Best regards, Youknow? (talk) 05:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Not really, Editor could have high bias and can't really be that their edit will be all good-faithed ones and most likely I presume this is totally the case here.. and the sources are really from 2020s not any recent one. Why so? I am seeing such is the suffering of many arcticle over-bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.59.169.53 (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

You are way out of line with such statements, and can be blocked just for saying that. Such comments are not allowed here. You must assume good faith and not make personal attacks, even if you don't name any editor. You are assuming bad faith. What is considered to be a personal attack?: "Using someone's political affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views, such as accusing them of being left-wing or right-wing, is also forbidden. Editors are allowed to have personal political POV, as long as it does not negatively affect their editing and discussions."

The bias you see is from the sources, and Misplaced Pages documents all sides of a controversy. You want us to leave out one side and turn this into a hagiography. We don't do that here. You want us to violate NPOV. Neither article sources or content must be "neutral". Rather, it is editors who must edit neutrally by accurately documenting what RS say, including the negative parts, the parts you don't like.

If you want to make any progress and be taken seriously, you must read the sources and see if they have been used improperly. For example, have we quoted a source inaccurately? Answer that, rather than just complaining. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Threatening and blocking people who doesn't agree to you, we all know what that is called and that's what is wrong with Misplaced Pages. Any sane neutral person knows what is going on behind the scenes here. 2406:B400:71:77F3:ECA0:DD65:1E37:FBD (talk) 00:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

And cherry picking the sources, twisting the narrative, presenting one side and silencing the other, when the RS itself uses ANI for many of their articles, even Misplaced Pages use ANI interviews and all. 2406:B400:71:77F3:ECA0:DD65:1E37:FBD (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The reliability of "Reliable Sources" are doubtful: ANI sues WMF

Are there any representatives for ANI here?

Has anyone connected to ANI made any comment(s) on this page or tried to edit the article? Please let us know here. (When I write "us", I am referring to editors in general, not the Wikimedia Foundation.) -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Not representatives although related to it, the intro is far too focused on criticizing with half of the intro with negative tone which is more than it weighs. I agree past shouldn't be erased which indeed it isn't but what is worth off mentioning in the particular article should be cared. In addition, As an user pointed out most of the sources used here is Caravan, is that generally good enough or powerful to retain the claim or is it unbias generally to consider. Is there renowned newspaper like The Hindu, The Times of India, Indian Express or others reviewing so mention such things or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.58.189.201 (talk) 18:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

PS , I think some claim are overly exaggerated too much for the subjects like propaganda and fake news especially the preceding lines in the Para of the Content section to the extent that almost all of the News website are common to it and this shouldn't even worth mentioning here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.58.189.201 (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Biased sources are accepted on Misplaced Pages, so long as there is proper attribution of claims to those sources. That has been done in this article. The only sources that are not accepted are those which contain misinformation. Can you describe where exactly there is misinformation in the Caravan article? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 08:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I can't read the cited article in The Ken and the editor who added that it said propaganda tool, Winged Blades of Godric, has been inactive for years. Can anyone confirm that The Ken actually says "propaganda tool"? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Update on Lawsuit

This section mentions The case is scheduled for a hearing on August 20. What are the updates? 14.139.128.53 (talk) 12:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Here is an update from today:

Bar and Bench: "Will ask government to block you": Delhi High Court issues contempt of court notice to Misplaced Pages, 5 September 2024.

Judge: "I will impose contempt...It is not a question of Defendant No 1 not being an entity in India. We will close your business transactions here. We will ask the government to block Misplaced Pages...Earlier also you people have taken this argument. If you don’t like India, please don’t work in India."

— Nearly Headless Nick {c} 08:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Somebody with the know how of this site please give the diff of the edit where "propoganda tool" word is first introduced in this page. 14.139.114.221 (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe 27 December 2019. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes that might be it, the user who made that edit is inactive, also the allegations regarding right leaning coverage were there for years before it. Averagepcuser (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I think we should remove the defamatory statements from this page otherwise Misplaced Pages will be forever blocked in India. 2402:8100:384E:22D0:F546:923:8D3A:6D2B (talk) 04:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Cool down, nothings going to happen. Misplaced Pages is not at risk, but the sources which support the article are. Misplaced Pages is just a tertiary source, its not the source of information. The courts should really work into the sources which are supporting the sentences. I.Mahesh (talk) 07:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

We are under no obligation to remove information simply because ANI doesn't like it. It is covered in other reliable sources; it would be a disservice to the goal of free and open knowledge to remove it. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 15:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, you can't do much about it. Indian courts and Indian laws.If you don't like the Indian Judiciary, you would be the one who is doing disservice to the global community by taking sides. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

The contentious content may only be removed with a consensus of editors. Not because a news agency is weaponizing India's draconian laws to threaten a non profit into revealing identities of its editors. Ratnahastin (talk) 01:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

What is draconian about Indian Laws? The least you can do is to look up what Draconian means - on Misplaced Pages itself. Here I will quote it for you from Draconian constitution

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Although the full Draconian constitution no longer exists, severe punishments were reportedly meted out to those convicted of offenses as minor as stealing an apple. There may have been only one penalty, execution, for all convicted violators of the Draconian constitution and the laws were said to be written in blood instead of ink. These legends have become part of the English language, with the adjective "draconian" referring to unusually harsh punishment.

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English Misplaced Pages is very Eurocentric. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

If you disagree with the very foundation of Misplaced Pages articles - a consensus reading of reliable, independent, secondary sources by laypeople - you are welcome to stop editing. Maybe you should think of doing something about draconian Indian laws rather than demanding Misplaced Pages stops being Misplaced Pages just to bend to them. The Foundation is headquartered in California in the United States; ANI is welcome to file a defamation lawsuit there if they are truly being lied about (they aren't and they know it, which is why they want the case to be prosecuted in India where things will probably be considered defamation even if they are true, so long as the aggrieved party is close to the government). Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 14:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much this. Consider this - why isn't ANI going after the sources used in the article? So, to any editor in good standing that's in India and worried about making an edit here that's backed by sources, please email me with the details (and the sources!) and I'll be glad to consider the material and make edits that I think are warranted. Ravensfire (talk) 18:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI

Can you please give a reason for me to stop editing? I haven't broken any rules yet. Misplaced Pages is open for all to read and edit. what is your authority to ask me to refrain from editing, please? Telugujoshi (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I am asking you to refrain from editing only if you disagree with the basic principle of what editing in an encyclopedia should be - to repeat, a consensus reading of secondary, reliable, independent sources, free from whatever outside influence the article subject attempts to apply on us. I recommend this in my standing as a fellow editor. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 11:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you please point me to a list of reliable sources, unreliable sources, etc. I remember having seen two lists - a blacklist and a greylist. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I will take your recommendation into consideration. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Largely, the decision on if you should or should not edit this article should be your decision based on your awareness of potential risks. But, please don't edit the article in a way to bow to the clueless demands from ANI that would be contrary to the goals of Misplaced Pages. I think that everyone is aware that the actions from ANI are designed to create a chilling effect on Indian editors and puts them in a difficult place. Edit at your comfort level, but follow as best possible the principles of Misplaced Pages, even if that means not making edits. Ravensfire (talk) 15:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I think wikipedia has gotten too big now lol, I think it's now risky to edit wikipedia in political pages if you live in a country which is slipping towards authoritarianism. Given wiki's liberal ideals don't go hand in hand with those regimes.

I was fairly new to wiki, but after this case I am going to think thrice before editing a political page. Given the deterioration of lower courts in this country. I should probably stick to editting science pages. Averagepcuser (talk) 15:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Is it your case that India is slipping towards authoritarianism? Please give reliable sources for that claim.

If you are living in a country that is not a democracy, you should use your good judgement of course. That said, if you are living in India, there is no real danger. If you are in any European country and do not toe the ultra-liberal globalist line, you should be care full as well. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ANI can go to ICJ too. Just saying. universe is not California centric. Telugujoshi (talk) 02:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Telugujoshi: They will surely not go to any other courts because they know they are wrong. I doubt that if this matter goes to the Supreme Court of India, the Court will dismiss the case, understanding that Misplaced Pages does not state or claim these challenged words, but rather that reliable independent sources have said them. GrabUp - Talk 03:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Let us wait and see. The ball is In Misplaced Pages's court (no pin intended). Telugujoshi (talk) 23:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not think you understand what the International Court of Justice is. Go look it up - helpfully, this website is an encyclopedia. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/_{my edits}) 11:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Does India really cares about International court of justice? Does that court even functions as intended? or is it just another organisation which stopped working as intended?Like wasn't that organisation for between nation conflicts and even if it wasn't I am not sure if it even works. Averagepcuser (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Sarcasm. If Misplaced Pages is banned in India, where would Misplaced Pages run to? That is the point I am making. Telugujoshi (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 September 2024

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2409:4063:4B17:7453:3AAC:41E2:6C43:DA2F (talk) 16:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Fake opinion about ani

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GrabUp - Talk 16:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

MoU partnerships

I've found these so far, altho I haven't found a coverage in another source. Perhaps these are like press releases. I don't know how they turned out. FYI for reference.

• Emirates News Agency, 2018
• Mizzima News, 2019
• Central News Agency (Taiwan), 2024
• KOMO-TV (Sinclair Broadcast Group), 2024

References

1. "WAM, ANI sign MoU on news exchange". Emirates News Agency. 20 September 2018. Retrieved 9 September 2024.
2. "Mizzima delegates meeting with Mr Sanjiv Prakash, CEO of Asian News International (ANI) in New Delhi on 22 November 2019". Mizzima News. 22 November 2019. Retrieved 9 September 2024.
3. "CNA, ANI sign MOU on news sharing". Central News Agency (Taiwan). 21 January 2024. Retrieved 9 September 2024.
4. "ANI Media Private Limited announces launch of "My India" Weekly India TV show to Air in the US on KOMO-TV's FAST Channel and YouTube TV Channel". Sinclair Broadcast Group. 25 April 2024. Retrieved 9 September 2024.

— DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 11:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

1, 3 and 4 are clear press releases, 2 is just a gallery of photos. Ravensfire (talk) 18:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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