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Sobhuza II

So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be interpreted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". 2601:249:9301:D570:B52E:5F5A:4889:7D69 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Clean-Up

It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. user:Yourlocallordandsavior. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

But the monarchs in the second list all have exact dates listed. Are you more saying these dates are incorrect? Ttutcha (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I actually think it's more of that we need verifiable sources for their dates instead of just random dates from unreliable and blacklisted sources such as Royalark and Indianrajputs. Infact Muhammad II of Kedah was removed from the first list because no reliable source could be found for his exact dates and all. S302921 (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

DO NOT INSERT Hassanal Bolkiah into independent ruler list until 2040

Brunei did not become an independent state until 1984. He therefore should not be on the list until 2040. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

In a similar vein, how should Sobhuza II's reign be handled, since the last 14 years of his reign were of an independent country, yet his entire 83 year reign is listed in the non-sovereign section. Should it only include up to 1968 there? 2601:249:9301:D570:A58F:3494:CAD4:696F (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

From my interpretation, I would just combine the non-sovereign and sovereign reigns together and label it as non-sovereign. Just write it down that non-sovereign's the default and that if it exceeds 56 years of Conrad, then it belongs on both lists. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, it seems inconsistent to combine sovereign and non-sovereign for one of the affected individuals, but not the other. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Who would be next?

I did a brief search to find out who the next monarchs on the first list would be. If you know of any other monarch with a longer reign than those mentioned, you can add him.

No.	Portrait	Name	State	Reign		Duration		Ref.
				From	To	(days)	(years, days)
26		Alfonso VIII	Castile	31 August 1158	5 October 1214	20,489	56 years, 35 days
27		Henry III	England	19 October 1216	16 November 1272	20,482	56 years, 28 days
28		Lý Nhân Tông	Đại Việt	3 February 1072	15 January 1128	20,434	55 years, 346 days
29		Rainier III	Monaco	9 May 1949	6 April 2005	20,421	55 years, 332 days
30		Victor Amadeus II	Savoy	12 June 1675	3 September 1730	20,171	55 years, 83 days
31	File:Moulay Ismail Ibn Sherif.jpg	Moulay Ismail Ibn Sharif	Morocco	14 April 1672	22 March 1727	20,064	54 years, 342 days
32		Renzong	Western Xia (China)	1 July 1139	16 October 1193	19,831	54 years, 107 days
33		Han Wudi	Han Dynasty (China)	7 March 141 BC	29 March 87 BC	19,745	54 years, 22 days
34		Thutmose III	Egypt	28 April 1479 BC	11 March 1425 BC	19,675	53 years, 317 days
35		Frederick III	Holy Roman Empire	2 February 1440	19 August 1493	19,557	53 years, 198 days
36		Cosimo III	Tuscany	23 May 1670	31 October 1723	19,518	53 years, 161 days
37		John II	Navarre	8 September 1425	20 January 1479	19,492	53 years, 134 days
38		Chongzong	Western Xia (China)	11 September 1086	1 July 1139	19,285	52 years, 293 days
39		Eric III	Norway	8 September 1389	4 June 1442	19,261	52 years, 269 days
40		Frederick I	Sicily	17 May 1198	13 December 1250	19,203	52 years, 210 days
41		Margrethe II	Denmark	14 January 1972	14 January 2024	18,993	52 years, 0 days
42		Tahmasp I	Persia	23 May 1524	14 May 1576	18,984	51 years, 357 days
43		Casimir	Lithuania	29 June 1440	7 June 1492	18,971	51 years, 344 days
44		Haakon VII	Norway	18 November 1905	21 September 1957	18,935	51 years, 307 days
45		Ibn Saud	List Emirate of Riyadh (1902–1913) Emirate of Nejd and Hasa (1913–1921) Sultanate of Nejd (1921–1926) Kingdom of Hejaz and Nejd (1926–1932) Saudi Arabia (1932–1953)	13 January 1902	9 November 1953	18,928	51 years, 300 days
46		Jogaila	Lithuania	3 October 1382	1 June 1434	18,868	51 years, 241 days
47		Abdullah I	Kuwait	5 September 1762	3 May 1814	18,867	51 years, 240 days
48		Said bin Sultan	Oman	20 November 1804	4 June 1856	18,824	51 years, 197 days
49		Yeongjo	Joseon (Korea)	26 October 1724	22 April 1776	18,806	51 years, 179 days
50		Henry IV	Holy Roman Empire	17 July 1054	31 December 1105	18,794	51 years, 167 days

Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Amazing although what about Thutmose III and Nguyễn Hoàng. Also weren't Savoy and Tuscany apart of the Holy Roman Empire. S302921 (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I will add Thutmose III. As for Nguyễn Hoàng, it appears that he was a feudal lord within the Lê Dynasty.

Italian states ceased to be part of the HRE at the Peace of Westphalia, in 1648. But thank you for Thutmose III.There are many Egyptian pharaohs, have I missed more? 177.91.168.2 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Also that about the subjects of photos i found photos for a couple monarchs online. I'm not sure if these are alk fulky reliable sources but still then.

Karansinhji II Vajirajji : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/lakhtar-Thakore-Sahib-KARANSINHJI-VAJIRAJJI-C-S-I-Thakore-Sahib-of-Lakhtar-1846-1924--1.jpg

Ram Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_bundi-HH-Maharao-Raja-Ram-Singh-Ji-Bahadur-1.jpg

Wakhat Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_lunawada-His-Highness-Maharaja-Shri-VAKHAT-SINHJI-K-C-I-E-22nd-Maharana-of-Lunawada-1867-1929-1.jpg

Nahar Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/shahpura_state-Rajadhiraj-Nahar-Singh-1.png S302921 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not experienced at uploading photos and wasn't sure about the source but these could still possibly be used here. S302921 (talk) 09:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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Who would be next (second list)

I did a brief search to find who would be next for the second list. Feel free to add any more monarchs if you find them here. (W.I.P)

No.	Portrait	Name	State	Reign		Duration		Ref.
				From	To	(days)	(years, days)
101		Ranjore Singh	Ajaigarh State (British Raj)	4 September 1859	7 June 1919	21,825	59 years, 276 days
102		Tozawa Masanobu	Shinjō Domain (Japan)	7 August 1650	16 February 1710	21,742	59 years, 193 days
103		Gustav Adolph	Mecklenburg-Güstrow (Holy Roman Empire)	23 April 1636	6 October 1695	21,715	59 years, 166 days
104		Carlo Filiberto I	Este and San Martino in Rio (Holy Roman Empire)	13 December 1592	26 May 1652	21,714	59 years, 165 days
105		Mary Teresa	Massa and Carrara (Holy Roman Empire)	18 August 1731	29 December 1790	21,683	59 years, 133 days
106		Charles I	Hesse-Kassel (Holy Roman Empire)	21 November 1670	23 March 1730	21,671	59 years, 122 days
107		George Frederick I	Brandenburg-Ansbach (Holy Roman Empire)	27 December 1543	25 April 1603	21,669	59 years, 119 days
108		Abdul Halim	Kedah (Malaysia)	14 July 1958	11 September 2017	21,609	59 years, 59 days
109		Pakubuwono XII	Surakarta (Indonesia)	11 June 1945	11 June 2004	21,550	59 years, 0 days
110		Sophia Sibylla	Leiningen-Westerburg-Oberbronn (Holy Roman Empire)	13 April 1665	18 April 1724	21,544	58 years, 361 days
111		Barnim I	Pomerania (Holy Roman Empire)	23 January 1220	13 December 1278	21,509	58 years, 324 days
112		Raghunath Sekhar Deo	Gangpore State (British Raj)	28 October 1858	10 June 1917	21,409	58 years, 225 days
113		Ludovico I	Saluzzo (Holy Roman Empire)	10 January 1416	8 April 1475	21,373	58 years, 189 days
114		Matsudaira Mitsunaga	Takada Domain (Japan)	1 March 1623	1 August 1681	21,338	58 years, 153 days
115		Heinrich XIII	Reuss-Lower Greiz (Holy Roman Empire)	21 February 1675	14 April 1733	21,236	58 years, 52 days
116		Honoré I	Monaco	22 August 1523	7 October 1581	21,231	58 years, 46 days
117		Philipp I	Hesse-Philippsthal (Holy Roman Empire)	16 July 1663	18 June 1721	21,156	57 years, 337 days
118		Adolf Louis William	Sayn-Wittgenstein-Karlsburg (Holy Roman Empire)	18 January 1749	20 December 1806	21,154	57 years, 336 days
119		Johann	Waldburg-Waldsee (Holy Roman Empire)	30 January 1667	25 December 1724	21,148	57 years, 330 days
120		Philipp I	Nassau-Weilburg (Holy Roman Empire)	20 September 1371	2 July 1429	21,104	57 years, 285 days
121		Philipp I	Hesse (Holy Roman Empire)	11 July 1509	31 March 1567	21,082	57 years, 263 days
122		Osagawara Tadao	Kokura Domain (Japan)	3 December 1667	6 August 1725	21,065	57 years, 246 days
123		Albrecht I	Hohenlohe-Weikersheim (Holy Roman Empire)	16 November 1371	15 June 1429	21,030	57 years, 211 days
124		Moritz Kasimir I	Bentheim-Tecklenburg-Rheda (Holy Roman Empire)	13 December 1710	2 June 1768	20,991	57 years, 172 days
125		Craft Anthony William	Oettingen-Katzenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	6 November 1693	25 April 1751	20,988	57 years, 170 days
126		Joseph Wilhelm Ernst	Fürstenberg-Fürstenberg (Holy Roman Empire)	21 November 1704	29 April 1762	20,978	57 years, 159 days
127		Charles	Nassau-Usingen (Holy Roman Empire)	14 February 1718	21 June 1775	20,946	57 years, 127 days
128		Wolfgang Julius	Hohenlohe-Neuenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	11 September 1641	26 December 1698	20,925	57 years, 106 days
129		Honoré II	Monaco	21 November 1604	12 January 1662	20,871	57 years, 61 days
130		Karl Eusebius	Liechtenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	12 February 1627	5 April 1684	20,872	57 years, 53 days

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