Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 20:26, 30 September 2024

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Persecution of Uyghurs in China article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18Auto-archiving period: 30 days

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

view · edit Frequently asked questions Q1: When was consensus established to name the page Persecution of Uyghurs in China? A1: The current title reflects the consensus established in the most recent move discussion (22 January 2024). Two previous widely attended move discussions (30 June 2020 and 1 April 2021) had resulted in this page being titled Uyghur genocide. Please see Logs and discussions below for the full list of move discussions. In these discussions, editors discussed reporting from reliable sources in light of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA, the first two times establishing an affirmative consensus that the title "Uyghur genocide" is an appropriate name for the article. The third debate, immediately following a 12 January 2024 discussion that was closed as "not moved", citing WP:NCENPOV as the naming convention guideline justifying a shift to the new name.

This page is not a forum for general discussion about Persecution of Uyghurs in China. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Persecution of Uyghurs in China at the Reference desk.

	Persecution of Uyghurs in China was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones Date Process Result February 1, 2020 Articles for deletion Kept February 11, 2021 Good article nominee Not listed
	A news item involving this article was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "In the news" column on September 2, 2022.
Current status: Former good article nominee

This  level-5 vital article is rated C-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Politics Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. China: Politics High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Chinese politics (assessed as High-importance). Human rights High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Human rights, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Human rights on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Human rightsWikipedia:WikiProject Human rightsTemplate:WikiProject Human rightsHuman rights High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Mass surveillance Mid‑importance Persecution of Uyghurs in China is within the scope of WikiProject Mass surveillance, which aims to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of mass surveillance and mass surveillance-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, or contribute to the discussion.Mass surveillanceWikipedia:WikiProject Mass surveillanceTemplate:WikiProject Mass surveillanceMass surveillance Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Ethnic groups Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ethnic groups, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Ethnic groupsWikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groupsTemplate:WikiProject Ethnic groupsEthnic groups Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks: Here are some open WikiProject Ethnic groups tasks: Meta-tasks: Place the {{Ethnic groups}} template on the talk page of articles within the scope of this project. Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution: Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action Category:Ethnic groups articles needing infoboxes Category:Ethnic groups articles needing reassessment Category:Ethnic groups articles needing attention Iyer Peruvian people Start an article: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests Feel free to edit this list or discuss these tasks. Anthropology Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Anthropology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Anthropology on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AnthropologyWikipedia:WikiProject AnthropologyTemplate:WikiProject AnthropologyAnthropology Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale. History: Contemporary Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the Contemporary History Task Force (assessed as Mid-importance). Sociology Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Central Asia Low‑importance Persecution of Uyghurs in China is part of WikiProject Central Asia, a project to improve all Central Asia-related articles. This includes but is not limited to Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Tibet, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Xinjiang and Central Asian portions of Iran, Pakistan and Russia, region-specific topics, and anything else related to Central Asia. If you would like to help improve this and other Central Asia-related articles, please join the project. All interested editors are welcome.Central AsiaWikipedia:WikiProject Central AsiaTemplate:WikiProject Central AsiaCentral Asia Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Philosophy: Ethics / Social and political Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Misplaced Pages.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Associated task forces: /  Ethics Social and political philosophy Islam Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Crime and Criminal Biography Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Death Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. 2010s Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject 2010s, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 2010s on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.2010sWikipedia:WikiProject 2010sTemplate:WikiProject 2010s2010s Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

The use of the contentious topics procedure has been authorised by the community for pages related to Uyghurs, Uyghur genocide, or topics that are related to Uyghurs or Uyghur genocide, including this page. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned.

Misplaced Pages is not censored. Images or details contained within this article may be graphic or otherwise objectionable to some readers, to ensure a quality article and complete coverage of its subject matter. For more information, please refer to Misplaced Pages's content disclaimer regarding potentially objectionable content and options for not seeing an image.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Logs and discussions: Move logs: Ethnocide of Uyghurs Cultural genocide of the Uyghurs Cultural genocide of Uyghurs Uyghur genocide allegations Uyghur cultural genocide Uyghur genocide Discussions: RM, Ethnocide of Uyghurs → Cultural genocide of the Uyghurs, Moved, 4 February 2020, (discussion) RM, Cultural genocide of the Uyghurs → Cultural genocide of Uyghurs, Moved, 16 February 2020, (discussion) RM, Cultural genocide of Uyghurs → Uyghur genocide, Moved, 30 June 2020, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Persecution of Uyghurs, Not Moved, 3 February 2021, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Uyghur cultural genocide, Not Moved, 1 April 2021, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Repression of Uyghurs in China, Not Moved, 5 September 2021, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Uyghur ethnocide, Not Moved, 20 September 2023, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Uyghur genocide accusation, Not Moved, 12 January 2024, (discussion) RM, Uyghur genocide → Persecution of Uyghurs in China, Moved, 22 January 2024, (discussion)

Excessive references to Adrian Zenz

Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, is referenced 6 times in the Mass detention section and 6 times in the IUDs and birth control section. An over-reliance on research produced by him, despite that he is a heavily interested character in this issue, serves against the credibility and quality of this article. As a leading scholar his findings should be mentioned, of course, but not without qualification or alternative sources and data. NipponGinko (talk) 06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It’s likely more once you dig into sources as well; there’s a significant degree of circular reporting involving Zenz. I agree with your idea generally but it’s better to approach in a concrete way. What’s the specific edit or edits you want to make to address the issue? JArthur1984 (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

But he's not a "leading scholar" and his evidence has been endlessly debunked. 2001:1C02:3019:2750:B0C0:AADE:226D:66E (talk) 11:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

A single person is not a secondary source. A secondary source is a conglomeration of the author, the reviewers, editors, editing policy, and institution where the work is published, combined with the filter of the secondary review of the primary material. — Shibbolethink 13:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Denial of abuses

Should Uyghur genocide denial have it's own article?, I've seen a fair amount of people on the internet who deny it's happening Consistently Heinous (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

The Uyghur genocide has been largely been debunked so no. It should not have its own article. 81.44.54.21 (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one. Butterdiplomat (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent WP:RS saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' (denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example). I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles. Pincrete (talk) 05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Those are straight up tankies and I suggest you sever all contact with them 166.198.175.17 (talk) 07:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect citation?

In Background - Xinjiang conflict - People's Republic of China (1949–present), there is the sentence:

"In February 1997, a police roundup and execution of 30 suspected "separatists" during Ramadan led to large demonstrations, which led to a PLA crackdown on protesters resulting in at least nine deaths in what became known as the Ghulja incident,"

which has footnote 63, which leads to "China: Human Rights Concerns in Xinjiang" (https://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck1017.htm) from Human Rights Watch. On that page, regarding the events of 1997, the page only seems to discuss two episodes, demonstrations that were suppressed in February 1997, and some bombings that took place in March 1997. The HRW page doesn't mention the execution of 30 suspected seperatists as a reason for the demonstration, or mention any cause of the demonstration, so I think the citation is used incorrectly here. Or the information may be in the article and I missed it.

I suggest that a new citation be added, which leads to the information about the 30 executed persons, instead of/in addition to the HRW citation.

I am new to wikipedia, please forgive me if there is anything that I have overlooked. L'étatisme (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Or if there is any additional information that I should provide. L'étatisme (talk) 00:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be correct. Thanks. I've added a tag in the hope that someone will correct/remove the unsupported text/citation. Pincrete (talk) 07:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I have added several citations demonstrating the links between these events, and removed the "30" number, as this is not verifiable. — Shibbolethink 13:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Xinjiang internment camps into Persecution of Uyghurs in China

The two articles talk about the same events basically. 159.91.31.13 (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

You are free to suggest a merger of the articles, but I would argue that this persecution article is broader in scope than the article on the internment camps. GnocchiFan (talk) 07:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Genocide

It’s honestly super weird that this page isn’t called “Uyghur Genocide”. 71.114.123.162 (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

It was called "Uyghur Genocide", but time seems to have debunked that. Persecution is true, however. 131.111.5.131 (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages controversial topics
• Former good article nominees
• Misplaced Pages In the news articles
• C-Class level-5 vital articles
• Misplaced Pages level-5 vital articles in History
• C-Class vital articles in History
• C-Class politics articles
• Mid-importance politics articles
• WikiProject Politics articles
• C-Class China-related articles
• High-importance China-related articles
• C-Class China-related articles of High-importance
• C-Class Chinese politics articles
• High-importance Chinese politics articles
• WikiProject Chinese politics articles
• WikiProject China articles
• C-Class Human rights articles
• High-importance Human rights articles
• WikiProject Human rights articles
• C-Class Mass surveillance articles
• Mid-importance Mass surveillance articles
• C-Class Ethnic groups articles
• Low-importance Ethnic groups articles
• WikiProject Ethnic groups articles
• C-Class Anthropology articles
• Low-importance Anthropology articles
• C-Class history articles
• Low-importance history articles
• Mid-importance contemporary history articles
• Contemporary history task force articles
• WikiProject History articles
• C-Class sociology articles
• Low-importance sociology articles
• C-Class Central Asia articles
• Low-importance Central Asia articles
• WikiProject Central Asia articles
• C-Class Philosophy articles
• Low-importance Philosophy articles
• C-Class ethics articles
• Low-importance ethics articles
• Ethics task force articles
• C-Class social and political philosophy articles
• Low-importance social and political philosophy articles
• Social and political philosophy task force articles
• C-Class Islam-related articles
• Mid-importance Islam-related articles
• WikiProject Islam articles
• C-Class Crime-related articles
• Low-importance Crime-related articles
• WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography articles
• C-Class Death articles
• Low-importance Death articles
• C-Class 2010s articles
• Mid-importance 2010s articles
• WikiProject 2010s articles
• Misplaced Pages articles under general sanctions
• Misplaced Pages objectionable content