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Wiiformii (talk) 01:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

July 2024

Hi, I noticed your contributions to Nahal Arugot, which appear to be constructive. Thank you for contributing to the expansion of short and stub articles on Misplaced Pages.

That said, I have noticed that some of the content you added appears to be uncited. We usually require all content and information to be cited to a reliable source. You may wish to explicitly cite the source by putting your source of information about this geographical feature (which doesn't have to be online) into a {{cite}} template. Uncited content, even if it appears to be true and constructive, may be liable to being summarily removed. Thank you and happy editing. Fermiboson (talk) 09:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

OK. OdNahlawi (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Well I started with a translation but most of the content right now is original content that I wrote and worked on it quite hard... anyway, thank you very much. I will make sure to follow the rules. OdNahlawi (talk) 07:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Moshik Lipetz moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Moshik Lipetz. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Youknow? (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on it some more. thanks. OdNahlawi (talk) 10:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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you are right I usually put the template... here I must have forgotten, thanks. OdNahlawi (talk) 13:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

OdNahlawi, to clarify: the template is optional. The edit summary, containing a link to the original article, is not. I've just had to do the same thing at Nahal Misgav. See what I've done in Special:Diff/1248663101? The attribution goes in the edit summary.

Please go back and fix your earlier contributions, following the steps at WP:RIA. Thank you. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Your contributed article, عمليات انتحارية فلسطينية

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Massive removal

You removed more than 11,000 bytes worth of content here with a fairly inadequate explanation. Nor do I see any explanation on the talk page. Such large scale changes are unhelpful.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 06:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I explained the edits in its summary, and it looks like I also removed some content by mistake though (I think it was after an edit conflict?) but if you disagree you can start a discussion on the talk page, or just revert it, I don't understand why we're talking one specific edit on my talk page. Next time please contact me on the article's page. OdNahlawi (talk) 07:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hezbollah page

I noticed that someone made changes to the Hezbollah article, without consensus or reliable sources. Would you like to help update that page? Many of the sources are outdated, citing information from over 10 years ago. With Israel currently at war with Hezbollah, it's important to provide accurate and current information to the English-speaking audience who may not be familiar with Hezbollah.

It's a large page that has been neglected over the years and because it's a consensus subject, trimming unneeded and old sources can be hard; fixing it will have a direct impact on educating people who need information to understand current events going on in the world. RCSCott91 (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@OdNahlawi

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ST5785 RCSCott91 (talk) 07:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Move-war

You moved 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike to Attempted assassination of Hassan Nasrallah without consensus on talk page. Our guidelines recommend using RM to make a move that is potentially considered controversial. I reverted your move, and I started a RM. While that RM is going on there is a notice at the very top of the page that says "Please do not move this article until the discussion is closed." Did you see that notice?

But you made that move again. Worst of all is that you have made no attempt to discuss your changes on the talk page. WP:BOLDMOVE says "Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again." (emphasis not added)

Please undo your move. Pinging ScottishFinnishRadish.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 11:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh I am sorry, I didn't notice the move request. As this is a new article I thought it would be fine to move it. I will write my opinion to the discussion. I see my move has been already undone anyway OdNahlawi (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@OdNahlawi you moved the article twice. Clearly you were aware of the first move, since you're the one who moved it? Ergo, you knew that someone undid your move, and instead of trying to discuss, you decided to move again? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

It looks like this is back in the correct place. OdNahlawi, you can assume that any moves in this topic area will be contentious, and exercise due diligence by checking for any RMs or other title discussion the talk page before making any moves. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @ScottishFinnishRadish. It's always good to learn something new. OdNahlawi (talk) 05:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish, I'm concerned about OdNahlawi's continued edit-warring without engaging on the talk page. At Hezbollah:

• 11:40, September 26, 2024 OdNahlawi inserts Hezbollah's terrorist designation into the first paragraph.
• 11:59, 26 September 2024 - Makeandtoss pings them on the talk page and starts a discussion. I chime in agreeing with Makeandtoss. I wait and there are no objections, so I revert OdNahlawi's edit (02:15, September 30, 2024) with the edit summary "if you wish to reinstate this edit, please respond to my objection on talk page".
• 15:25, October 1, 2024 - OdNahlawi reverts my edit without having participated on the talk page at all.

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Request

Hello.

In the 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike article, can you actually display the specific bomb Mark 84 bomb with its name, which has been obscured in the Wikilink under the label "2,000-pound bombs", when the other bunker buster bombs like BLU-109 bomb are displayed with their names in the article?

(Also, if units have to be displayed, both the metric and imperial units must be displayed in Misplaced Pages articles, not one or the other. 95% of the world population use only the metric system.)

Thank you. Oirattas (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:V violations

I see that today you added the same unverifiable material in two different locations:

• 05:25, October 1, 2024: you added "...joined the conflict by initiating attacks on northern Israel and the Golan Heights""
• 13:14, October 1, 2024: you added "Since 8 October 2023...joined the conflict by initiating attacks on northern Israel"

In both cases, the idea that Hezbollah attacked northern Israel on October 8 is unverifiable, and the sources you added certainly don't say that. This has been discussed here, here and here. Were you not aware of this? In this edit summary, it seems you had read the sources about the October 8 attack being against Sheba Farms, not northern Israel.

In the future, if you're going to add contentious material on an article, you should check the talk page to see if there's a discussion about it — in this case there was. I'm messaging you here, because I see a pattern across multiple articles and I cannot anticipate which article you might add this information to next.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Vice regent. Unverifiable? Many major sources say this.

• The Times here: Hezbollah began firing rockets into Israel on Oct. 8 in solidarity with the Palestinian militant group.
• Le Monde here: The confrontation began on October 8, when the Shiite movement launched rockets into northern Israel, in support of the bombarded Hamas
• The Times of Israel here: Since October 8, Hezbollah-led forces have attacked Israeli communities and military posts along the border
• PBS here: Hezbollah began firing rockets into northern Israel shortly after Hamas' Oct. 7 attack into Israel ignited the war in Gaza.
• NPR here: Hezbollah began firing rockets into northern Israel last Oct. 8 — one day after Hamas launched a major attack into southern Israel.

What unverifiable here is not the content I added, but your allegations. I see this is not the first time you're doing so to new editors during last week, you should stop this behavior. Please remove your allegations, and do not use my page for false claims anymore. Thank you. OdNahlawi (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Were any of those sources used in your edits? In any case, please present them on the talk page (you seem to have not discussed this on any article's talk page AFAIK) and we can discuss them.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 06:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Communication is necessary

Next time you make a revert in the ARBPIA topic area without discussing it on the article's talk page you will be sanctioned. Communication is necessary, and editors shouldn't have to go to your personal talk page for sources that you should have included in your edits. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish May I ask how we arrived at a final warning so quickly? There are dozens of violations and personal attacks happening here daily from many editors in ARBPIA, many of which go unaddressed. You yourself witnessed an editor that despite having a final warning, continues to engage in extensive battleground behavior, casting aspersions, yet instead of immediate sanctions, you ask me to start an AE "Please bring this to AE if you believe it needs to be addressed", without even commenting on the severity of the case!

Similarly, the complainant above your comment here seeks to change Hezbollah's description to a 'resistance group,' against all Misplaced Pages's guidelines, and are filling all new editor's talk pages with frightening comments. So yes, let's give all our new editors, the next generation of volunteers and contributors who might save this area from the ex-territory it became, walls of final warnings, but leave the consistent violators active without a single sanction. Do you realize how problematic this is? I would like to understand what's the idea behind this. ABHammad (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I arrived at the final warning because without communication none of the other dispute resolution processes, for content or behavior, will work. As for not unilaterally taking action in that other case, it's a big shit sandwich, and I'm tired of eating them all to myself. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)