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Erroneous captions to 2 of your images on the St Andrews Cathedral page of Misplaced Pages

You have uploaded two photographs you have taken onto the St Andrews Cathedral page of Misplaced Pages. Both feature the Tower of St Rule's along with what you call St Rule's "western turrets". This is not correct. What you call "western turrets" is, in fact, the (remains of) the eastern wall of the (later) sanctuary. The parallax caused by the angle of your photos may have misled you. My source? Cruden, Stuart (1950), St Andrews Cathedral - Official Guide, Edinburgh: Her Majesty's Statioery Office, ISBN 0-11-490696-3. I guess any more recent guidebook with a decent map of the site would do, but Cruden's two maps and photo no. 4 seem definitive. I don't know whether you can correct your errors (if not you, who can?) but if they aren't corrected soon I shall raise the matter on the Talk page of 'St Andrews Cathedral'. ShropshirePilgrim (talk) 09:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Would you mind correcting them for me then? Steven1991 (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I have edited the captions as you request. Unfortunately, the actual file title to one of them mentions the supposed "St Rule's Western turrets" and its image shows the deceptive parallax which might lead the viewer to accept the notion that the "turrets" (of the Eastern wall of the later Cathedral are actually in line with the axis of St Rule's Church, when your other picture shows plainly that they are not. I know of no way that the file's title (as opposed to its description or caption) can be altered/edited. If you know of a way, it should be corrected to avoid any further confusion. ShropshirePilgrim (talk) 12:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. Steven1991 (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Explaining my recent edits

Hi Steven. I recently modified some edits you made, and wanted to make sure I explained my reasoning and, if needed, opened up a dialogue. In the Zio article, I noticed some terms (antisemitism, ethnic slur) were linked multiple times, and often times the links were back-to-back. MOS:OVERLINK describes how we usually only want to link a term once per major section. Similarly, WP:SEAOFBLUE describes how we try to avoid hyperlinked terms back-to-back, as in a printed format, it'd be impossible for a reader to tell whether they're searching one big term or many small ones.

Misplaced Pages has a TON of formatting rules like this in the WP:MOS, and I'm still learning plenty of them. I just wanted to give more than a hyperlinked edit summary to explain and introduce you to the many, many standards of formatting you'll encounter here. For what it's worth, I don't think many bother to read the MOS all the way through; my approach is usually to just edit normally, and if someone cites a guideline while they correct something, then commit it to memory and move on. I just wanted to say that so you didn't think I was telling you to read that dry volume before editing further; that'd be a nightmare! EducatedRedneck (talk) 13:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I've also noticed you add a lot of block quotes. Per MOS:QUOTE, if we can paraphrase, we should, in order to reduce the risk of copyright violation. EducatedRedneck (talk) 11:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I've noticed you doing the important work of adding a bunch of sources, and adding wikilinks in compliance with the MOS; you're improving the encyclopedia, and seem to be learning the arcane rules of the MOS quite quickly. Quicker than I did! Well done, and thank you for your help in improving Misplaced Pages! EducatedRedneck (talk) 21:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Antisemitic_trope#Number_&_quality_of_sources

Hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of removing the duplicated template on that discussion. One should be enough. Andre🚐 06:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, check out WP:OVERCITE and WP:CLUMP. You should trim and citebundle. 3 or 5 or 8 cites might seem informative but generally you can get by with less, and focus on the higher reliability stuff. Less is more. I once had a history professor that, when I turned in my magnum opus that was 4 pages longer than the max page limit for the assignment, she gave me a C and called it self-indulgent. It's a good lesson. Be succinct and to the point and cut and trim the fat. People will respond better and it makes for an easier to understand logical article structure. Andre🚐 06:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your humble advice. I am currently working on it with my best effort. Steven1991 (talk) 06:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure you will. You might want to slow down and fix the problems for a while before embarking on any major new expansions. Keep in mind that other people are going to try to scrutinize and check your work. That's how it works. Thanks for being cooperative and trying to listen to feedback. That is critical. Andre🚐 07:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Zionism

Hey, be careful of your reverts to that page. It's under a consensus required restriction. "Changes challenged by reversion may not be reinstated without affirmative consensus on the talk page" I think that seems to include tagging as well. Andre🚐 21:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Would you mind having a look at the Nishidani’s profile? He just made a personal attack on me, while I found that it’s not the first time he had been criticised on his Talk page for doing so, let alone his edit warring that has already got him involved in arbitration cases. Would you mind having a look? Steven1991 (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I really can't help with that. You can start a thread at WP:AE but I recommend Don't template the regulars and don't pick fights lest you be accused of BATTLEGROUNDing. Other people have raised concerns similar to that before but I do not think they will be acted upon unless you can demonstrate a clear problematic pattern. Andre🚐 22:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Demonization in other religions or movements

I didn't intend to imply there were POV issues or factual inaccuracies in the section I edited & apologize if it read as such to you. I meant more that I was editing the tone to be more clinical & encyclopedic without changing the contents.

My comment on sources was in regards to the citations for Islamists & anti-Zionists in the following paragraph, both consisting largely of opinion pieces. Again, apologies for any confusion. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 23:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Great. I am removing the opinion articles and other less reliable sources. It would take some time. Steven1991 (talk) 02:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your excellent cleanup on Antisemitic tropes. It's a long, complex, important article and you're giving it the careful attention it deserves. Great work! Ocaasi 16:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

OrphanReferenceFixer: Help on reversion

Hi there! I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. Recently, you reverted my fix to White genocide conspiracy theory.

If you did this because the references should be removed from the article, you have misunderstood the situation. Most likely, the article originally contained both <ref name="foo">...</ref> and one or more <ref name="foo"/> referring to it. Someone then removed the <ref name="foo">...</ref> but left the <ref name="foo"/>, which results in a big red error in the article. I replaced one of the remaining <ref name="foo"/> with a copy of the <ref name="foo">...</ref>; I did not re-insert the reference to where it was deleted, I just replaced one of the remaining instances. What you need to do to fix it is to make sure you remove all instances of the named reference so as to not leave any big red error.

If you reverted because I made an actual mistake, please be sure to also correct any reference errors in the page so I won't come back and make the same mistake again. Also, please post an error report at User talk:AnomieBOT so my operator can fix me! If the error is so urgent that I need to be stopped, also post a message at User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/OrphanReferenceFixer. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 00:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC) If you do not wish to receive this message in the future, add {{bots|optout=AnomieBOT-OrphanReferenceFixer}} to your talk page.

How do I dispute your reverts of my edits on the List of antisemitic incidents in the US

How do I dispute your reverts of my edits on the List of antisemitic incidents in the US? Clearly I'm not vandalizing anything ; the rows I deleted are all ambiguous as to whether they constitute antisemitism. I'm not going to delete something if it clearly states from a trustworthy source that the incident is antisemitism. Warning me for vandalism is a shande. Wikipedious1 (talk) 21:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

If you have an issue with article content, please properly discuss it at the talk page. Mass deletion with no/poorly given reasons is considered vandalism, regardless of intent. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I am still new to wiki and have generally never used a talk page so I appreciate the response,

1) Just to get it a straight - new rows can be added without having to go through the talk page. But new rows cannot be deleted without being discussed. But my deletion of rows was basically just a reversion of the Steven entity @Steven1991's edits. The Steven entity did not have to "discuss properly" before reverting my edits. Therefore, I am able to revert his mass-edited rows without have to discuss, right?

2) In any case clearly the Steven entity @Steven1991 would just dispute my proposals if I went through the talk page and "properly discussed" so I dont understand the point of that

3) Is it possible to circumvent discussion through making more thorough edit reasons? How do I prevent the Steven entity @Steven1991 from merely mass reverting my edits, and warning me falsley for "vandalism"? Wikipedious1 (talk) 21:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you can post on the article’s Talk page. Steven1991 (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)