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| ::I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. ] (]) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC) | ::I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. ] (]) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :::There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. ] (]) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC) | :::There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. ] (]) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| ::::I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. ] (]) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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I BELIEVE
I believe that at this time and age, Misplaced Pages should require that all those who wish to edit or add to our project should be registered users. It is easy for an unregistered user to vandalize an article which many of us have gone through a lot of trouble to write, then immediately make a copy as if that is what was truly written, thereby dis-crediting our project and adding to the reality that ours is an unreliable encyclopedia. The fact is that the majority of the vandalism is caused by un-registered users who have nothing better to do with their lives. If Misplaced Pages wants to keep it's good and honest contributors who love to share their knowledge with the world in general and wants to gain some sense of being a reliable encyclopedia, then it must do something to protect it's contributors and the articles which they have written from the constant vandalism going on, otherwise what's the use of staying here? Tony the Marine (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
South Bronx notables
In these edits, you added entries for Joe Negroni, Herman Santiago and Tony Santiago as notables. None of these entries have sources added to connect them to the South Bronx and none of the articles mention The Bronx in any way, let alone the South Bronx, with Negroni and Herman Santiago being placed in Manhattan. Is there a reason why they should be added as notables in the absence of any sourcing or mention in their articles. Alansohn (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday
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Good article reassessment for Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps
Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
"65th Infantry Regiment (United States" listed at Redirects for discussion
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WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer
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June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic)
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Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic
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Good article reassessment for 65th Infantry Regiment (United States)
65th Infantry Regiment (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Always precious
Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Gerda Arendt. I want you to know that I have always thought of you as being one of most wonderful people here in Misplaced Pages. Unlike others you inspire and encourage others to make positive contributions to this project. Bless you.
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22 October 2024, Super Intergalactic Justice League
Please explain why you have once again recreated this: after it was deleted in this deletion discussion in October 2023: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marine 69-71/sandbox, you then recreated it here on 7 October 2023: and then agreed to delete it following discussion on 24 October 2023: User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 52 - Misplaced Pages#Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 49. You have been told repeatedly that you must follow Misplaced Pages:NOTWEBHOST. Your page User:Marine 69-71/Autographs is another blatant breach of NOTWEBHOST, which should be deleted. I would tag it for speedy deletion, but presumably you have protected it to prevent this. Mztourist (talk) 08:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is my workshop where I create my articles. I am working on one now. Thank you Tony the Marine (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of Misplaced Pages:NOTWEBHOST. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in on the same basis. Mztourist (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- As you have clearly decided to ignore my messages and kept editing Super Intergalactic Justice League, I will be taking this to ANI. Mztourist (talk) 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of Misplaced Pages:NOTWEBHOST. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in on the same basis. Mztourist (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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ANI Notice 25 October 2024
There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Marine 69-71 intractable breaches of policy WP:NOTWEBHOST regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mztourist (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User:Marine 69-71/Autographs
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Thanks, Mztourist (talk) 07:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm going to have a word on Mztourist's talk page, but I think this has blown out of proportion.
Obviously, administrators are not perfect and sometimes the behaviour is egregiously bad or out of touch enough to warrant a desysop. I set up the "Conflict interest of management" Arbcom case a few months back, and while it wasn't my explicit intention, it did result in advanced permissions being removed.
I think all the Arbitration Committee want is an assurance that this is a minor and insignificant matter, and you're not really bothered if people take exception to to pages in your user space and cite reasonable reasons for doing so. The community doesn't appear to have a consensus on what to do with user pages that aren't directly to do with improving Misplaced Pages - for example, consider Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump which, even though consensus at the MfD seemed to be trending to "keep", I decided to delete per IAR for a quiet life. That might have been a way de-escalating this matter here.
Anyway, now the case is at Arbcom, we'll see what happens next. Ritchie333 15:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, this isn't worth your time. It's clear from statements already made at the case request that movement forward is fairly a foregone conclusion. The bottom line is you're going to be de-adminned whether you participate in the case or not. Participating simply validates the process of ArbCom, which is woefully bad. All of your incredible work over the years will be ignored, and instead the focus will come onto such things as you blocking a vandal who was disrupting a page in your userspace. The pound of flesh not having been extracted here is now being asked for at ArbCom. Don't validate it with your presence. Let them push their electrons around, but don't let it bother you. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is horrendous advice. Loss of tools is not a foregone conclusion unless you fail to respond.
- If you do not respond, it becomes an WP:ADMINACCT issue, and you will be certain to lose the tools. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under WP:ADMINACCT for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. Special:PermaLink/1071296297#Timwi is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's 1. Got any others? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. Primefac (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I said "nearly always". I did not use the absolute case of "always". Regardless, if you want to debate the semantics of this further or the abstract issue at large, my talk page is that way. No need to clog Tony's talk page with it. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. Primefac (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's 1. Got any others? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. Special:PermaLink/1071296297#Timwi is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under WP:ADMINACCT for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, would you please email me via the "Email this user" link in the interface when you are viewing my userpage? Thanks. (To anyone watching this; this is nothing nefarious, nor of interest to the general project) --Hammersoft (talk) 01:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Tony, I'm a fellow Bronxite and somebody who's been doing this wikipedia thing almost as long as you have. I don't have any magic answers, but I have been around the block a few times so I may be able to give some useful advice. If you'd like to chat off-wiki, feel free to click on this link to send me an email. RoySmith (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to address the concerns raised in the case request in a manner that recognizes the problems and assures the community that these problems will end and not be repeated. Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, just wanted to thank you for all your contributions over the years to Misplaced Pages and the community. Andre🚐 20:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, I found some thoughts from the past that I was looking for and wanted to share them here in regards to this proposed case for you. It's a bit of a read, but if you have any inclination to participate in the ArbCom case (assuming it gets accepted; they might desysop you by motion without a trial), I think it's worth the time (if people's responses are any judge). The thoughts are here. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, I respect you on-wiki and off-wiki, but admins are still required to respond to questions per WP:ADMINACCT, otherwise it is assumed you forfeited the adminship (called "no contest plea" by Hammersoft). You need to explain the reasons behind your actions at the time, as well as whether it is justified now or not to be repeated. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 09:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know I said it above, but I will second this request. At the moment I have no choice but to vote to desysop, despite the fact that I really do not want to, because you have not responded to further enquiry. Primefac (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Primefac: Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like this from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Hammersoft in this. By motion is definitely the easy way. The simple way. I just don't see it as action which should bear Misplaced Pages's imprimatur, not without a fuller look at the case. There's no real urgency in cases in which the subject is not an active editor or an admin is not using actively using tools wrongly. It is the undue urgency of this situation ArbCom has the opportunity to calm down and not further inflame or embitter. All this is my opinion. BusterD (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain why do you want a case in this instance? Earlier you criticized RexxS's case here , would this case have your support? Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. I didn't list them as a party. They listed themselves. BusterD (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think there's much of a case here, either Marine or Mztourist. This could have been dismissed a few days ago, if Marine explained his tool use and his comment to Mason. This is not an issue worthy of ArbCom, but it is becoming WP:ADMINACCT issue real quick. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. I didn't list them as a party. They listed themselves. BusterD (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Primefac: Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like this from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Good to see your datestamp!
Glad we're both still around. BusterD (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm flat out asking you: There's zero dishonor in stepping down as admin. Will you please hand in the bit? Tony, you've been important to the pedia and many of us know that first hand (hell, I looked up to you). The pedia cannot abide obstinance, so your silence sends a message, even if inadvertent. If you went to the 'crats noticeboard this morning and handed in your mop, all of this (except perhaps admonishment) just goes away. Consider doing an honorable thing. In your own honor. BusterD (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @BusterD: I watch the dessysop case requests even when I don't comment. I have never seen so many implore an admin to act in their own best interests before. SMDH. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)