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Mentorship questions Oct-Dec

Question from EnockNseke on Spanish Army

Can a foreigner joining army --EnockNseke (talk) 03:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Judging by this page, only if you are from a country that was part of the Spanish Empire EnockNseke ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Viviany De Oliveira

Como fazer pra receber --Viviany De Oliveira (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll leave a message on your talk page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from Andrea shn87

Hey, so you know those "segments", don't know the specific name but those you do with ==name==, well I did some of them but they're in the wrong order and I don't really know how to change them, do i have to do them again? It's my first time doing this so I really have no idea 🤕

Sorry for the trouble and thank you in advance. --Andrea shn87 (talk) 04:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there Andrea shn87; honestly the section headings (see Help:Section for more details) look fine to me. The bigger problem is whether the article meets the notability standards—it seems rather borderline at the minute. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Question from PatHamilton47

Hey Fieryninja, I appreciate your help!

I'm having a lot of difficulty with the page for Sarah Jama. I'll send you a link to the version I created, which has been repeatedly sabotaged: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532

Some of my formatting isn't perfect, especially around dates for citations and so forth. But I think you'll agree that my content is objective, impartial, and well-substantiated.

I see that https://en.wikipedia.org/User:El_C locked the page and requires that extended confirmed users alone are allowed to make edits. While I applaud the protection, the problem is that the version implemented contains multiple very serious omissions, most notably MPP Sarah Jama's legislative work, which you'll see in my version, but not the page's current version.

Any help will be much appreciated, I only want the truth to be represented. Pat --PatHamilton47 (talk) 01:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

PatHamilton47, while I am not Fieryninja, I will try to help. Unfortunately, I cannot agree that the content you added was objective, impartial, or well-substantiated. To start with, any information you add in the lead section should summarise material already included in the body.Secondly, all information should be sourced to a reliable, independent secondary source; a list of all motions is not that.Thirdly, even considering the unreliable nature of the source, you are taking significant liberties with what they say, and presenting them in a way that cannot in any way be described as objective or impartial. Please remind yourself of the central importance and the guidelines of Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy.If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this information, User:AirshipJungleman29 - I'm new to Misplaced Pages so this is quite illuminating.

-Regarding the lead section, I didn't realize this part at all, I can see why my proposition was rejected.

-Regarding the motions, I absolutely cannot agree. The source is the Ontario Legislature central database, stating precisely what was proposed by the MPP in question. How does this not qualify as a reliable independent secondary source? It is not from MPP Jama's website, or even a news source, both of which could take significant liberties with their presentation of the motion. The OLA website presents *verbatim* exactly what was written.

-As for the third point, this is completely valid - I'll concede I was not appropriately adhering to Misplaced Pages's neutral POV policy.

If I polish up my phrasing to adhere to the above policies, would you be willing to help me edit Jama's page? I'd really appreciate it, and I'm trying my best to learn Wiki's policies in good faith.

Thanks for your help regardless. PatHamilton47 (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

PatHamilton47, a database which "presents *verbatim* exactly what was written" is not good enough. MPPs are presumably free to write their proposals in whichever way they feel are most persuasive, no? Thus motion 106, for example, says that working with the selected representatives would "ensure access to adaptable housing for people with disabilities" and "benefit all Ontarians"—we cannot take that statement at face value and state it in Misplaced Pages's voice.Even if the motion is completely correct, there is also the problem of due weight—if such a fact was not described in independent secondary sources, how much WP:WEIGHT do you give it in the article? Editors would have to make their own decision, which would be original research.Of course, feel free to run any drafts by me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

That makes a great deal of sense! Thank you for clarifying. I'll put together a couple higher-quality revisions and send them along to you, you can see what you think. PatHamilton47 (talk) 19:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from HAVUGIMANA Eric

Hello when there is a meeting of youths? --HAVUGIMANA Eric (talk) 12:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Afraid I can't help you there HAVUGIMANA Eric. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Stories, music, places

story · music · places

Congratulations! I meant to review but am too slow. Going to nominate the first of the October cantatas for GA, - the second is already. I managed to complete a FAC review but there's one more waiting before I'd have looked at yours. Rohan de Saram has fascinated me for days. Best wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

With good reason!—a fascinating man, whose son Suren I have met a few times. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing that! - Today I remember an organist who was pictured on the Main page on his birthday ten years ago, and I found two recent organ concerts to match, - see top of my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Today brought a timely promotion of Helmut Bauer to the Main page on the day when pieces from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today, - I think that would be a good DYK if he was eligible ;) - There's a jumping cat in the places. Your pictures on arrival on this page are spectacular, did I ever say that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Very nice, Gerda. I've recently rewritten a couple of articles on noblewomen of the Mongol Empire—Al-Altan (very controversial story) is at GAN, and Checheyigen which just passed. Planning to rewrite and nominate their sister this evening—it's all hands on deck for the end of the WikiCup! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds great! - I hope you followed reading to a rich day. Today a caricature, for a change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow, also a caricature at DYK Gerda, caption (if it can be called such) written by me. Speaking of caricatures, was just reading Dreyfus affair—I feel like many WP discussions have the air of "ne parlons pas de l'affaire Dreyfus!" ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Interesting ;) - Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Declining of merge close

Hi AJ, regarding your declining to close this merge discussion: in my experience, merge discussions often sit for a while without further discussion, since there's no relist option and merge discussions don't get as much participation as RMs, AfDs, etc. and there aren't very many regular closers who timely close merge discussions without requesting a close at CR, which as you know can take a while. I would like to relist this at CR, but wanted to check with you first. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 15:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Voorts, I won't revert if you do relist, but I just can't see what it'll accomplish. The discussion stopped—for multiple months—and editors moved on. Not every discussion needs a closure, and available closers should focus on the ones at WP:CR which actually need one. But it's up to you. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 - I would be very grateful for your input on the recent decision to close the decision on merging Finn (short story) in You Like It Darker in favour of merging.

• I think the verdict that there was a rough consensus in favour of merging is questionable.
• The latest vote for merging is from May 2024, and the article has been significantly expanded since then.
• It is unclear how the article could realistically be merged into You Like It Darker without running into WP:UNDUE.

I don't think the decision that has been arrived at is sound and would greatly welcome your input. McPhail (talk) 09:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

McPhail, yes, for me it was clearly no consensus, and as I noted above to voorts there was no need to force a close—and this bias towards "an action" is what you get when you do force one. I would certainly !vote to overturn that close at a review, but all of this is just needless bureaucracy that should have been avoided. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29, thank you. Notwithstanding your point about needless bureaucracy, could you please point me towards how I would initiate a review? McPhail (talk) 20:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Discuss the issue with C727, and if he declines to reopen or overturn, open a WP:CLOSECHALLENGE at WP:AN. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you again, that is appreciated. McPhail (talk) 09:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

You should reach out to the closer, @Compassionate727, but I still think nobody in that discussion showed that the short story was independently notable of the book. This can be merged with a much shorter plot summary and its reviews put in context with the rest of the short stories that were reviewed with as much due weight (usually a sentence or two per review of the book). voorts (talk/contributions) 11:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mongol invasion of Khorasan

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mongol invasion of Khorasan you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Thebiguglyalien -- Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The article Mongol invasion of Khorasan you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan and Talk:Mongol invasion of Khorasan/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Thebiguglyalien -- Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Al-Altan

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Al-Altan you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Generalissima -- Generalissima (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

The article Al-Altan you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Al-Altan for comments about the article, and Talk:Al-Altan/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Generalissima -- Generalissima (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Jochi as TFA

Hi, Jochi is tentatively scheduled for TFA in December. Fancy having a crack at a blurb? Gog the Mild (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Will have a go tomorrow Gog the Mild. Was distracted today by the below. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 09:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 29 December 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which will be found (once completed) at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/December 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Misplaced Pages talk:Today's featured article/December 2024. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there. I also suggest that you watchlist Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Cup

WHAT!? How on earth did you do that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Mad skills, in association with fervent prayers that you wouldn't fix up Mr Loudon in time—I guess one benevolent deity heard me ;) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 November newsletter

The 2024 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round being a very tight race. Our new champion is AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who scored 2,283 points mainly through 3 high-multiplier FAs and 3 GAs on military history topics. By a 1% margin, Airship beat out last year's champion, BeanieFan11 (submissions), who scored second with 2,264 points, mainly from an impressive 58 GAs about athletes. In third place, Generalissima (submissions) scored 1,528 points, primarily from two FAs on U.S. Librarians of Congress and 20 GAs about various historical topics. Our other finalists are: Sammi Brie (submissions) with 879 points, Hey man im josh (submissions) with 533 points, BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 432 points, Arconning (submissions) with 244 points, and AryKun (submissions) with 15 points. Congratulations to our finalists and all who participated!

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The 2024 WikiCup

Congratulations on the outstanding performance! – Epicgenius (talk) 16:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Massive congratulations indeed! Cielquiparle (talk) 17:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

i'm talking about what i'm talking about!! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Many congratulations, that final round must have felt so intense! Oltrepier (talk) 20:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations! Awesome effort! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations! So impressive. It is a wonderful world (talk) 12:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Congrats on your WikiCup result :)

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October 2024 Military History Writing Contest

		The WikiChevrons
		On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I am pleased to reward your outstanding performance - 3 articles, 2 brought to FA and 1 brought to GA, for 56 points - and first place finish in the October 2024 military history writing contest with this award of the WikiChevrons. Congratulations, Donner60 (talk) 06:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

memories - Congratulations to the Wikicup! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 November 2024

• From the editors: Editing Misplaced Pages should not be a crime

• News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation shares ANI lawsuit updates; first admin elections appoint eleven sysops; first admin recalls opened; temporary accounts coming soon?

• In the media: An old scrimmage, politics and purported libel

• Special report: Misplaced Pages editors face litigation, censorship

• Gallery: Why you should take more photos and upload them

• In focus: Questions and answers about the court case

• Traffic report: Twisted tricks or tempting treats?

• Technology report: Wikimedia tech, the Asian News International case, and the ultra-rare BLACKLOCK

• Humour: Man quietly slinks away from talk page argument after realizing his argument dumb, wrong

Marking Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation as unreviewed

Howdy. Just wanted to ask why you marked Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation as unreviewed? It's a pretty sensitive page and I don't think we're supposed to mess with WP:OFFICE protections. Also it has already survived a deletion discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation. Finally because it is full protected, there isn't really anything an NPPer running across it in the queue could do about it. Perhaps you would consider marking it as reviewed again? –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Mainly to see what would happen Novem Linguae, but also because a page with no content doesn't meet any of the NPP criteria. You are of course welcome to revert my unreview. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

It'd be cleaner if you reviewed it yourself. I don't think a patrol/unpatrol war in the edit history of such a sensitive page would do any good for our court case, WMF–enwiki relations, etc. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Fine, although an entry at WP:LAME would be nice. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done I think it qualifies for WP:LAME. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Open letter to WMF on ANI now published for support

Thank you so much, AirshipJungleman29, for preparing and publishing an open letter in connection with Asian News International. I am happy to see it is gaining considerable support. Thank you also for taking a wider interest in this case. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 18:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Ipigott; I have just requested a watchlist notice, so visibility will hopefully be as high as it can be. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hermance Edan

AirshipJungleman29, were there any additional issues you had with this nomination, or are there still citation problems after the nominator's recent edits to the article? Please either restore the tick or identify the issues that still remain. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Look at the last case:

Here is the latest one I came up with, see if you have objections:

Buniyatov writes that the descendants of Khwarazmians call themselves Turkmens and they reside in the Musul and Kirkuk, the North of Iraq. Buniyatov further mentions that the descendants of Khwarazmians that call themselves Turkmens are referred to as Khurzumlular in Anatolia and there are 8 villages in Manisa, Turkey where Khurzumlular live as society. The official website of the Gölhisar District Governorship also talk of the local Turkmens being descendants of the Khwarazmshahs that arrived at Anadolu with Jalal al-Din Mangburni. Abdirimov similarly states that "During the conquest of Čengīz Khan, the Turkmens who came to Anatolia under the name of Khwarazmians were called nomads (yoruk)" who are often referred to as 'Yörük Turcoman' or 'Turkmens' by historians and ethnologists.

You can see the sources here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Khwarazmian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1256212900

If you have no objection, let us settle this time-taking discussions. More corraborative info have been added --176.88.165.232 (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)