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view · edit Frequently asked questions Can you change "anti-transgender activist" to "women's rights activist"? No. Misplaced Pages is primarily based on reliable secondary sources, and these describe Graham Linehan as an anti-transgender activist. Per discussions on the talk page, there is consensus among editors to use this wording. Please see the talk page archives to review these discussions.

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I will change “critics” to Matt Berry and journalist Jack King. 2601:4A:4201:AF0:91DE:8C5B:BBC1:FF82 (talk) 05:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to the text "Critics said it used gender stereotypes and trivialised violence against transgender women"? And you think the two names you mentioned should be at the start? The problem is that information needs a reliable source and the reference in the article does not mention those people. Johnuniq (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

"anti-transgender activist"

im not sure this wording is great; we dont describe homophobes as "anti-gay activists". borrowing phrasing from nick fuentes' article, the correct description would seem to be "known for his transphobic views". 2001:8003:B061:1300:182:E5C2:439F:CFB5 (talk) 12:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Please see the FAQ at the top of this page. — The Hand That Feeds You: 13:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

FAQ - reliable secondary sources

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I accept that I shouldn't have said that I wouldn't discuss, but I don't think 'hatting' was appropriate. On reflection, I can see that one of the sources does use the phrase, but the others don't, and it's certainly not the usual way he's described by RS. Cherry picking concerns aside, I understand that CONSENSUS has been reached to use this wording, so my suggestion is that the wording of the FAQ says this (i.e. consensus has been reached), rather than suggesting that the majority of RSS describe him this way, as they clearly don't. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you need to read the FAQ wording more closely. It already says Misplaced Pages is primarily based on reliable secondary sources, and these describe Graham Linehan as an anti-transgender activist Per discussions on the talk page, there is consensus among editors to use this wording.

You seem to be reading something into the phrasing that isn't there. — The Hand That Feeds You: 12:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you need to read my point more closely. The wording says, 'reliable secondary sources, and these describe Graham Linehan as an anti-transgender activist'. The point I am making is that, on the whole, the reliable secondary sources do not use this wording, as is evidenced by the fact that of all the sources given (which one could argue have been cherrypicked, although I'm not getting into that), only one does. So, for the sake of getting the FAQ wording correct, a more accurate reason for the chosen wording should be given. I accept that the wording reflects CONSENSUS, but I do not accept that the wording reflects the way in which RSS describe the subject on the whole.

To be clear, I am taking issue with the wording of the FAQ, which suggests that RSS choose this wording more often than they do not, which is simply not the case.

Something along the lines of 'The current wording reflects WP:CONSENSUS based on the majority of editors' collective assessment of RSS, as shown by extensive discussion. Please do not change it without CONSENSUS.' NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I read your point, I simply disagree. No, it's not only one source that calls him that. There are literally eight citations for the statement in the first sentence of that paragraph! I think you're basing your claim on the fact all those sources are condensed to a single citation link, meaning you didn't actually bother reading them. You just saw the single cite template and assumed it was just one cite. — The Hand That Feeds You: 16:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Current wording seems fine to me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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