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The lead of Misplaced Pages's article had in 2006 and early 2007 referenced the short two line entry on the "British raj" in the OED second edition 1989. In June 2008, when the OED entry was revised for the third edition, it had borrowed some of Misplaced Pages's words, in a paragraph is smaller print. This was noted in my post of 19 August 2008 on the Talk:British raj. It was noted then, and is being noted again now, not as a case of plagiarism (as the we had borrowed the OED's lead sentence as well, i.e. that the dependence is two-way), but as a source of pride, viz that Misplaced Pages had come of such age and reputation that even the OED had used our language almost verbatim in this instance. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Size is 4,994,215 km^2 not 5,076,579 km^2

the size of the british raj including India,Pakistan,Burma,Bangladesh is 4,994,215 km^2 but in the article it says 5,076,579 km^2, which is wrong.

And for info, nepal & Bhutan were not considered part of British 'Raj' as far as i know. WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Source please? –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

what source? British raj was India , pakistan , bangladesh and burma , just see their current sizes and add them WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 16:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

On Misplaced Pages, we like sources for most of our changes, such as newspapers or books. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

British Raj wasn't just those four countries. It also consisted of Aden Colony (part of present-day Yemen), Somaliland (part of present-day Somalia) and other protectorates. Pur 0 0 (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

What happened to the flag?

Shouldn't it be here? Sylvester Millner (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

You could read the edit history to find out. Remsense ‥ 论 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

This has brought my curiosity too. I had always known this to be the British Indian flag, since in all wars, successor states and all other places when the flag icon of a country is shown, this is shown to be the flag of the British Raj.

Are you both discussing this to be the flag, or was it a different one? And please don't tell me to look at the edit history too. I don't want to get involved in the argument lore. Pur 0 0 (talk) 16:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

How? There's thousands of edits to look through to find it. Articles are changed almost every day?Sylvester Millner (talk) 23:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Just try it! Remsense ‥ 论 23:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I did and all i saw was you reverting me for no specified reason!--Sylvester Millner (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Read a few more down Remsense ‥ 论 23:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

How many? two hundred? Four hundred?--Sylvester Millner (talk) 00:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Good grief, until you see mention of the flag! Remsense ‥ 论 00:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

cant you just mention it here JingJongPascal (talk) 12:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

waa the flag removed because princely states had their own flag ,and the previous flag was of British india and not of entire Indian empire? JingJongPascal (talk) 07:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It's in the edit history. Remsense ‥ 论 07:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

i saw it and that's what I said,

But the Red Ensign has been used by the USA to show or represent India as part of the allies and also as part of the United Nations , but I guess they weren't official examples.

So in case of wars where we have to include British Raj, we will have to mention all the princely states and then British india seperatly right? Because most articles still use that flag for entire Indian empire JingJongPascal (talk) 07:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you be more obtuse? this is outright disruptive editing. Scuba 22:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The answer to someone's question has already been written and I said repeatedly that they should go read it, and I said where it was. If they can't do that, that doesn't inspire confidence that they'll engage with the argument if I give it to them to read in some other form. It's really not meaningfully different from pointing someone to discussions that occurred in the talk page archives. If you take that to be WP:POINTy then don't worry, since I've already given up here and wasn't planning on engaging further. Remsense ‥ 论 23:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah buddy nobody wants to scroll through edits and try to decipher edit summaries. Just answer the question if you're going to answer at all. you're wasting everyone's time responding several times and not giving the actual answer. Scuba 02:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I did it, and I wouldn't've suggested it if I thought it was that hard to do. Maybe the reason I've insisted on that is because the person that made the change articulated the reasons very clearly and I don't think I'd do a better job explaining it myself. Who knows. Remsense ‥ 论 02:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

He's right, either provide an explanation or put it back on.--Sylvester Millner (talk) 23:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The explaination by @Remsense was that ---

That the Red Ensign was only used for British Ruled districts, and not for the entire "Indian Empire", as princely states had their own flag. JingJongPascal (talk) 05:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Japanese occupation as successor

As other things like "Strait Settlements and etc." have been added I see no objection in adding japanese occupation of india, that is, Azad Hind. @Remenese JingJongPascal (talk) 09:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense JingJongPascal (talk) 10:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

They did not occupy all of India. Slatersteven (talk) 10:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

so? if we can add strait settlements, then why note azad hind or japanese occupation? JingJongPascal (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The straights settlements were a separate entry after 1867, they were not just an area under foreign occupation. Slatersteven (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Azad Hind is also a seperate entity. JingJongPascal (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Not legally set up by the recognized legal authority. Also Azad Hind in fact only has limited powers allowed it, it was not a whole self-governing body. Slatersteven (talk) 12:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

British Burma was also not a whole self governing body. JingJongPascal (talk) 12:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It was a separate colony. I think now it is time for others I have had my say. Slatersteven (talk) 12:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

As a result of the Government of India Act, 1935, Burma after 1937 was no longer overseen by the Secretary of State for India, and the India Office. It had a separate Secretary of State and a Burma Office which lasted a little over a decade. Please see the first day cover I uploaded long ago.

Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Please also see: British_Raj#Government_of_India_Act,_1935 Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

but it would be still considered a colony. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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