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Without sourcing to directly support the statement of Harris speaking Tamil, therefore, I'd support it being removed from the article as ] {{ndash}} as far as I can see, the current source would only support the fact that someone ''else'' said they spoke briefly in Tamil with Harris. I apologise if I should have explained more in my edit summary. All the best, <span class="skin-invert" style="color:#000"><span style="">&zwj;—&zwj;</span>]<sub>]]</sub></span> 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC) Without sourcing to directly support the statement of Harris speaking Tamil, therefore, I'd support it being removed from the article as ] {{ndash}} as far as I can see, the current source would only support the fact that someone ''else'' said they spoke briefly in Tamil with Harris. I apologise if I should have explained more in my edit summary. All the best, <span class="skin-invert" style="color:#000"><span style="">&zwj;—&zwj;</span>]<sub>]]</sub></span> 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:Mmm, well if a witness says they both spoke in Tamil I am unsure we really need anything better (if you speak in Tamil, by inference you can speak it). But by all means change it to "spoke a few words of Tamil with Ganesan", if this really is a problem ] (]) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Mmm, well if a witness says they both spoke in Tamil I am unsure we really need anything better (if you speak in Tamil, by inference you can speak it, so it seems a reasonable paraphrasing). But by all means change it to "spoke a few words of Tamil with Ganesan", if this really is a problem ] (]) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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What to write in the lead paragraph now that KH was defeated

Suggested change: Change "Harris lost the general election to her Republican Party opponent Donald Trump" to "Harris was soundly defeated in the 2024 presidential election by her Republican Party opponent, Donald Trump. Harris lost the electoral vote 226-312, and garnered over 4.5 million less popular votes than Trump." TopShelf99 (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Becasue we try to keep it neutral. Slatersteven (talk) 11:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Exactly - What I am suggesting is both factual and neutral. I don't want this article to be completely laudatory about Harris, and I don't want it to be completely defamatory like the Trump article. TopShelf99 (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
So you do not want it to be negative, by saying she "was soundly defeated"?, Sorry that makes no sense, we say totally neutrally she lost. That is all we need to say. Slatersteven (talk) 14:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
She WAS soundly defeated. That is more factual and neutral than referring to Trump lying, racist, misogynistic, and one of the worst Presidents in history, and those terms were all allowed in the lede in the Misplaced Pages article on Trump. I can understand your disappointment about the election results and voters' repudiation of the damage Harris and Biden have caused for four years and what she stands for, but you and your fellow editors and administrators shouldn't let your liberal bias continue to influence Misplaced Pages articles. TopShelf99 (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
This not about Trumps article, it is about here, and we do not engage in tit for tat WP:FALSEBALANCE. Slatersteven (talk) 15:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Please be mindful not to use talk pages as a WP:SOAPBOX. You can disagree, but your personal political opinions are irrelevant to the discussion. That being said, Trump's lede says "Scholars and historians rank Trump one of the worst presidents in history" as that is reflective of the opinions of scholars and historians, at least for his first term. The same is said for James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. estar8806 (talk) ★ 15:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
What's to re-write? She lost the 2024 election, that's it. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Donald, is that you? In all seriousness, can we please skip to a WP:NOTHERE block? @TopShelf99's contributions since their account creation have largely been reverted or been talk page soap boxing. Certainly not enough to warrant letting them continue. Note also the warnings and discussion on their user talk page. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
wp:ani is the place to discus user conduct, not here. Slatersteven (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
soundly defeated - i think these adverbs are not entertained in Misplaced Pages. Hajpo (talk) 13:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Bsasap (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Kamala Harris/Response to claims of bias

Hello, folks,

I was looking into an editor's contributions and came across this subpage they created. Is this typical for politician's articles, do other high profile politicians have these pages? Or should there be a deletion discussion at MFD about it? Liz 02:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

It is a copy of Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias with two changes: Donald Trump article → Kamala Harris article & sources are widely critical of Trump → sources are widely positive of Harris. The Trump sub-page has been linked to on 44 talk pages prior to this edit, though most are the archives of Talk:Donald Trump with some on other pages like Talk:2024 United States presidential election/FAQ. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Bsasap (talk) 18:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Wage theft

A Politico article on her campaign just reported, "... the campaign’s decision to stop paying many senior staff as of Saturday, even those initially told they would be paid through the end of the year."

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/16/kamala-harris-donors-00190020

This was worth mentioning when Trump stiffed people that he owed money to, so it's worth mentioning when Harris did the exact same thing.

The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 02:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

"when Trump stiffed people" Which Trump? The Family of Donald Trump has included several shady businesspeople. Dimadick (talk) 11:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Was it, or was it in fact different? Slatersteven (talk) 11:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Alleged fraud and alleged insolvency are not the same thing. And notice as well that the campaign is raising money to pay off debts, not filing for bankruptcy protection in order to avoid them. The allegations against Trump if true were criminal. TFD (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
KInd of irrelevant as many of his companies did declare bankruptcy, which means they did not pay all their debts. Alo Trumo has been prosecuted for fraud, it's not just an allegation. Slatersteven (talk) 14:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Trump is not the topic of this talk page. Shouldn't "the campaign's decision" belong on the campaign talk page, not this one? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Just making the point "its not analogous". Slatersteven (talk) 15:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
I didn't mean to point the reply at you directly, Slatersteven. That point is for everyone. Surely there are differences between this and what Trump has been accused of doing. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
While I do not subscribe to the "fairness doctrine"-esque notion that because something is mentioned in regard to the conduct of one politician it ought be mentioned in another politician's article, wage theft has a specific legal connotation, and until such is adjudicated, it is best to surmise the state of the campaign as having "encountered financial difficulties" rather than "engaged in wage theft". Moreover, the phrasing of theft invokes a particular scienter and moral status for which does not appear justified in application to this concern as of now.Irruptive Creditor (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Re. Harris speaking Tamil

Slatersteven, regarding this sentence:

In addition to English, Harris speaks Tamil.

References

  1. "Kamala Harris and I very briefly spoke in Tamil: Tel K Ganesan". The Times of India. 2020-08-18. ISSN 0971-8257. Archived from the original on February 4, 2023. Retrieved 2024-11-06.

There is a source cited; however, by my reading, it does not verify the statement that Harris speaks Tamil - only that Tel K Ganesan said that very briefly spoke in Tamil together (the full sentence from the source being “We very briefly spoke in Tamil – vanakkam and nandri. We did talk about sambar,” grins.).

Without sourcing to directly support the statement of Harris speaking Tamil, therefore, I'd support it being removed from the article as unverifiable – as far as I can see, the current source would only support the fact that someone else said they spoke briefly in Tamil with Harris. I apologise if I should have explained more in my edit summary. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Mmm, well if a witness says they both spoke in Tamil I am unsure we really need anything better (if you speak in Tamil, by inference you can speak it, so it seems a reasonable paraphrasing). But by all means change it to "spoke a few words of Tamil with Ganesan", if this really is a problem Slatersteven (talk) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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