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| == Centenary Action page == | |||
| Hi Pam. | |||
| Any help you could give with the ] page would be really appreciated. Someone in California seems to have taken exception to it, but it is a genuine campaigning organisation to increase female representation in parliament. I have tried to update the references according to guidelines, and it would be great if those notices could be removed. | |||
| If you are not able to help but could point me towards someone who could, that would be great. | |||
| @] ] (]) 11:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :@] In the interest of full transparency, I'm watching this talk page and am the "person from California" you're talking about. ] ] ] 15:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :@] I'm not clear, looking at the article, whether "Centenary Action" and "Centenary Action Group" are the same thing. Is it an organisation of individuals, or an joining-together of many organisations? | |||
| :The sections on "Campaign successes" and "Media coverage" are, to be honest, a mess. Take the first one: you've linked a chunk of text as an external link, that isn't how it's done. You've duplicated the same link as a reference. That ref supports the fact that IPSA makes provision for parental leave, certainly. But it doesn't mention Centenary Action. There is nothing to support the fact that CA had anything to do with this. You need to find references in ] (ie not CA's own website or publications) which explicitly state that it was campaigning by CA which led, at least in part, to the change. And the same for all your other points in those two sections. | |||
| :Yes, I'm sure CA is a good and worthy group fighting a necessary battle, but this article hasn't yet got much evidence of the coverage in ] which is needed for it to be a worthy encyclopedia article. That's why I suggested "Draftifying" it: putting it into the "Draft" space so that you and other editors could polish it up, add sources etc, without it being vulnerable to deletion as being inadequately sourced to show notability. Whether by editors from across the pond or not. | |||
| :Here's one article, for a start: | |||
| ::{{cite news|url=https://www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/womens-representation-politics-uk-mps-sexism-culture/184336 | work=] | title=Toxic culture is “actively putting women off” entering politics, say campaigners | first=Moya | last=Crockett | date=2017 | access-date=25 October 2024}} | |||
| :]] 15:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::@] There's also the issue of ]. Somewhere along the way you said that some text you had added to the article which was removed as copyright was OK because it had been added by the person who'd written it on their site (or words to that effect: I'm not going to chase up to find just where). That suggests that you are a volunteer or employee of CA, if you are writing their website. Please clarify your relationship to the organisation, after reading ] and ]. Thanks. ]] 16:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Pam, | |||
| :::I think Kps2015 said the thing about the copyright at the AfD. And thanks, I've been trying to point to notability policies (which, more or less, boil down to reliable sourcing). I'm okay with draftification, but ] technically disallows unilaterally moving an article to draftspace more than once (''maaaybe'' even if the person doing is has a COI? It's hard to tell). My intuition tells me this would be unilaterally moved back if I did that, anyways, so it's not worth my time. ] ] ] 17:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hi Pam. Yes, that is correct, I have been asked by the organisation to put up the page on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 13:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::@] Asked? Paid? Please read ] and ]. ]] 13:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thanks Pam. I have added a declaration to the talk section of the page. | |||
| :::::Can you let me know if there is any other objection to the page than the "Campaign Successes" section. If I delete it, will the page be OK? ] (]) 14:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::@] You were told six days ago about the requirement to declare being a paid editor. If you're taking money to do something, you should learn how to do it properly and not rely on the good will of volunteer editors to clean up your work. I'm sure CA is a worthy cause but I'm finished with doing the work you're being paid to do. ]] 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::@] I am trying to get clarity on what particular part of the page there is objection to. Reading between the lines, it seems that it is just the "Campaign Successes" section. If that is the case, I am happy to delete that section until I have further references. | |||
| :::Is there any objection to the rest of the page? ] (]) 13:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for your help with this @] | |||
| ::The organisation is called "Centenary Action". See its website - https://centenaryaction.org.uk/. | |||
| ::It is a membership organisation. The members are listed on its website. | |||
| ::I take your point about references and I will go back to the organisation to ask for more information. | |||
| ::Yes, I am happy for the page to be moved to draft if that is the right thing to do. ] (]) 13:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::@] What is your connection with CA? A volunteer, an employee, or what? You seem to have said that you wrote material on their website. ]] 13:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::@] Hi Pam. | |||
| ::::I had no involvement with Centenary Action's website. They provided me the text to create their Misplaced Pages page. So, yes, I do have a conflict, but all I am trying to get up is a factual description of what the organisation does. ] (]) 13:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::@] The objection I'm having is lack of sourcing about Centenary Action specifically (and not just the founder), creating concern that there might be a claim of "inherited notability" from said founder to the organization. Also, the copyright violation, but that's been cleared up. ] ] ] 18:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Summary''': Kps2015 was informed on about COI and Paid Editing policies. On , having been actively editing and asking for help in the meantime, they made their first explicit statement that they are being paid to create ]. If someone is being paid to do a job they should (a) learn about the framework of rules within which they are working, (b) not expect volunteer editors to spend their time doing the work for which the editor is being paid, and (c) take note of messages about declaring COI and payment. I'm sure ] is a worthy organisation fighting and important battle, but Misplaced Pages will not host their paid PR. ''<small>Pinging {{ping|Kps2015|I dream of horses}} for info.</small>'' ]] 09:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Foyles Book of the Year == | |||
| please add db-author deletion template to this redirect page ]. | |||
| I intend to move Foyles Books of the Year there. The award has been renamed. | |||
| This might be faster than me doing a formal move request by admins ] (]) 01:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I meant this redirect page ] (]) 01:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::@] Any reason why you can't do it yourself? ] ] ] 03:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :@] Redirects are different and the dba CSD isn't an option. But I've CSD'd it under "required for a noncontroversial move". The page will take some careful editing, to preserve its previous description with 3 awards (archived page needed) while describing current award which seems to be just one novel. ]] 06:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::With hindsight, it would probably have been quicker to use "Request move" anyway, especially given the time of night! ]] 06:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Looking again, no, it's fine as is. Not just a novel, my misreading. They don't seem to offer any definition of scope or criteria! ]] 06:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Welcome, welcome, welcome PamD! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
Fix a random page lacking sourcesCactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:39, 2 February 2024 UTC via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)Nominating for deletion
CE
I don't understand your revert but on past experience, you don't get much wrong. So can I clarify?
- CE (disambiguation) is a list of articles known by that initialism.
- I know of no cases where, apart from deliberate "I see no ships", that anyone anywhere uses CE to mean Christian Era. Although that nomenclature has long provenance, in recent times it is used as a POV backronym.
- Christian Era does not redirect to CE.
So tmli5, why is it there? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JMF I suggest that it's a likely-enough misunderstanding of what CE stands for, to be worth retaining the link to Anno Domini. The Guardian style guide refers to "some people prefer CE (common era, current era or Christian era)". It gets a mention in Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE if that helps. Christian Era and Christian era redirect to Anno Domini, with a hatnote there pointing to the Christian era (disambiguation) page.
- The more I look at Anno Domini and Common Era, the more I wonder why we have two separate articles - but I suspect it's been a hugely contested area so am not going there.
- I had to Google "tmli5": seems to be Reddit term and I don't do Reddit - but perhaps it's down to age or side of the pond.
- Perhaps: Some people think that CE stands for "Christian Era", even though they're wrong (as lots of Misplaced Pages readers are about lots of things). Someone has decided that the most likely useful article for someone searching on "Christian Era" is the article Anno Domini. So we should help those people by offering a link from the CE dab page to Anno Domini.
- But it's not a hill I'd fight over: it just seemed more helpful to leave the dab entry there. I suppose I've got a pretty inclusionist approach to dab page entries. PamD 12:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, that makes sense so I won't pursue. It just looked like yet another case of proselytising slipped in. And yes, it is a sensitive topic, see talk:Common Era#Request for Comment: Christian Era. (And apologies for trying to be trendy: another editor might have regarded tlmi5 as snarky and rightly so. I didn't spot it at the time but it is obvious now.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JMF To be honest I had this going round in my head later and found I was disagreeing with myself, but I still think it's probably worth including in the dab page! Controversial stuff best tiptoed quietly around or left well alone. And I've increased my vocabulary learning "tmli5" etc (seems to come in a variety of versions!) Every day a school day, as they( say. PamD 17:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, that makes sense so I won't pursue. It just looked like yet another case of proselytising slipped in. And yes, it is a sensitive topic, see talk:Common Era#Request for Comment: Christian Era. (And apologies for trying to be trendy: another editor might have regarded tlmi5 as snarky and rightly so. I didn't spot it at the time but it is obvious now.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Proposed deletion of Veliki Rit, Banat
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Unreferenced and unimproved almost 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, very small village. Not enough information to merge.
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- @Bearian: I only stub-sorted it, 15 years ago, but have risen to the challenge and found coords and a couple of sources; the presence of another Veliki Rit in Serbia helps justify the existence of this little stub, to avoid confusion. PamD 09:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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