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	:<blockquote>The Asiatic cheetah was earlier spread across Western Asia and most of India. The species had a gradual history of habitat loss in India. In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests where they co-existed with their prey blackbuck, and the extirpation of both the species. Later, more habitat loss, prey depletion, and trophy hunting led to the extinction of the Asiatic cheetah from other regions of India.</blockquote>		:<blockquote>The Asiatic cheetah was earlier spread across Western Asia and most of India. The species had a gradual history of habitat loss in India. In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests where they co-existed with their prey blackbuck, and the extirpation of both the species. Later, more habitat loss, prey depletion, and trophy hunting led to the extinction of the Asiatic cheetah from other regions of India.</blockquote>
	:The ] page, itself, says, "Its range once spread from the Arabian Peninsula and the Near East to the Caspian region, Transcaucasus, Kyzylkum Desert and northern South Asia, but was extirpated in these regions during the 20th century." In MM's version, "In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests." Not all of North India, if we go by the map in the ] page's infobox, constituted the cheetah's habitat. There were no cheetahs in Kashmir, Uttarakhand, or Bengal. There were in fact no cheetahs originally in the Gangetic Plain as it was heavily forested before the ]-speaking migrants into India deforested the plain for agriculture and herding ca 1500–600 BCE. The citation is to R. I. Pocock's edited ''Fauna of British India'', which MM dates to 1939, but the actual survey was carried out from 1911 to 1920. See the Early life section of one of the first articles I wrote on Misplaced Pages: ]. See also ] of ] another article I wrote 18 years ago. In other words, they've tried to generalize a vignette about the Punjab and its thorn forests and grasslands—which had been added to catch the reader's interest so they would read on—to a bland, vague, and incorrect summary. In addition, MM has removed two important pictures, one of which is in the ] section of the FA ]. And I haven't even mentioned the degradation of readability.		:The ] page, itself, says, "Its range once spread from the ] and the ] to the ], ], ] and northern ], but was ] in these regions during the 20th century." In MM's version, "In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests." Not all of North India, if we go by the map in the ] page's infobox, constituted the cheetah's habitat. There were no cheetahs in Kashmir, Uttarakhand, or Bengal. There were in fact no cheetahs originally in the Gangetic Plain as it was heavily forested before the ]-speaking migrants into India deforested the plain for agriculture and herding ca 1500–600 BCE. The citation is to R. I. Pocock's edited ''Fauna of British India'', which MM dates to 1939, but the actual survey was carried out from 1911 to 1920. See the Early life section of one of the first articles I wrote on Misplaced Pages: ]. See also ] of ] another article I wrote 18 years ago. In other words, they've tried to generalize a vignette about the Punjab and its thorn forests and grasslands—which had been added to catch the reader's interest so they would read on—to a bland, vague, and incorrect summary. In addition, MM has removed two important pictures, one of which is in the ] section of the FA ]. And I haven't even mentioned the degradation of readability.

	:The irony is that they, MM, don't feel they have the ]. I have to defend the version that was in place. ]] 13:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)		:The irony is that they, MM, don't feel they have the ]. I have to defend the version that was in place. ]] 13:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Re-population of Caspian Tiger Range with closely related Siberian / Amur Tiger in exchange for Asiatic Cheetah

Iranian and Russian ecologists are planning a joint project designed to return to the wild the Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic Cheetahs in the Central Asian region. These big cats had disappeared, the Asiatic Cheetah from Russia and Caspian Tiger from Iran, some half a century ago. Latest genetic studies have shown that the Russian or Amur Tiger is related and virtually identical to the extinct Caspian Tigers and hence will be used to repopulated the Caspian Tiger range in exchange for Asiatic Cheetahs.

Iran, Russia Hope to Revive Extinct Big Cats Asiatiac Cheetah and Caspian Tiger; Source: Press TV; 09 january 2010; Payvand Iran News
Mitochondrial Phylogeography Illuminates the Origin of the Extinct Caspian Tiger and Its Relationship to the Amur Tiger

RELATED NEWS (for the archival purposes)

Iran, Russia Hope to Revive Extinct Big Cats Asiatiac Cheetah and Caspian Tiger

01/09/2010; Source: Press TV; Payvand Iran News

Iranian and Russian ecologists have announced ambitious plans to return Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic cheetahs, which disappeared some half a century ago in their countries, to the wild.

PHOTO: Asiatic cheetah

A delegation of Russian ecologists headed by Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Russian Federation Sergey Donskoy arrived in Tehran a week ago to discuss avenues to reestablish the wild cats.

During the meeting, the Iranian ecologists shed light on the prospect of repopulating the jungles in northern Iran with extraordinary Caspian Tiger, which became extinct over 40 years ago.

This is while through modern genetic analysis it has been discovered the Caspian Tiger and the Siberian Tiger, still in existence, are separated by only one letter of genetic code. The Caspian Tiger can be reestablished by using their relative, the Siberian Tiger.

Russian and international conservation groups banned hunting of tiger in 1947, but it was too late for the Caspian Tiger to make a recovery. Poaching and contributing factors wiped out the majestic cat. Conservation efforts, however, did help to protect and stabilize the Siberian Tiger. Fortunately, the subspecies commingling in the distant past will allow the Caspian Tiger to once again take its rightful place in the family tree of tigers.

PHOTO: Caspian Tiger

The Russian ecologist asked for Iranian assistance in revival of Asiatic cheetahs in the northern Caucasus region.

Described as powerful and graceful hunters, cheetahs are the world's fastest animal and easy to train. Cheetahs were trained by ancient Persian kings, who used them to hunt gazelles.

Recognizing the cats' precarious situation, Iran's Department of Environment has worked with the UN Development Program-Global Environment Facility and Wildlife Conservation Society in New York since 2001 to save the only 50 to 60 Asiatic cheetahs which live in the Dasht-e Kavir region of Iran.

Payvand News - 01/09/10

SOURCE: http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jan/1082.html

mrigthrishna (talk) 12:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Use the NEWS ARTICLES listed here to improve this article

Asiatic Cheetah Blog .

Thanks mrigthrishna (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Re - Introduction of African Cheetah & Elephant & Lion - Biggest Zoo ?

I am creating this section because African Cheetah belongs to Africa so does Zebra and Giraffe. Just bringing a few and introducing them is really stupid and a defeatist strategy. So tomorrow if the Asiatic Lion and Asiatic elephant is extinct it will bring in African Lions and elephants and reintroduce them to India and show case it as Indian. Remember the Made in India Joke!! Mocking is it not?? yes really stupid!! India should focus on conserving whats left and salvage the green cover and remaining forests. Instead of creating a big Zoo for African animals!! Also all that PETA and Jain other Animal loving organization should focus not on stray dogs and cats but species that will soon be extinct that means Forever!! Good that the Asiatic Cheetah survives in IRAN. Don't look at stupid mean international politics but as protection of species!! Don't you like the wild life of Africa yes its African - 100% but the world adores and admires it!! so should Asian countries not quarrel on petty issues and give the Asiatic Lion to IRAN as well as get Asiatic Cheetahs from Iran and introduce them in India!! Please share your views if you agree?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saileshrh (talk • contribs) 15:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Updates

Good Article to expand

Supreme Court allows introduction of African Cheetahs in India

https://www.oneindia.com/india/supreme-court-allows-introduction-of-african-cheetahs-in-india-3022601.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.33.5.73 (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

New update 2

1. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/raj-gujarat-look-to-beatmp-in-hosting-cheetahs/story-Ne316RB94hd5rtTGljOzWM.html

2. https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/mar/03/gujarat-keen-on-hosting-cheetah-2111359.html

3. https://www.pressreader.com/india/hindustan-times-st-jaipur/20200203/281599537484436

4. https://www.bhaskar.com/rajasthan/jaisalmaer/news/rajasthan-news-chances-of-cheetah-century-increased-in-tourism-may-add-new-chapter-085006-6593518.html

5. https://www.jagran.com/news/national-velavadar-national-park-attempt-to-resettle-completely-extinct-cheetah-from-country-20098704.html

6. https://m.patrika.com/amp-news/sheopur-news/committee-will-come-to-explore-the-possibilities-of-african-cheeta-5870006/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovie11 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Update in 2021

Please use these to update the Misplaced Pages page

https://wii.gov.in/cheetah_introduction_technical_report_2021?fbclid=IwAR0Rt7AsCCJrt6s0Vv08U12dkyDK2yYsbsWZVVzDNxByyoErYJ_LlxoF8EU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovie11 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/3-sites-in-mp-selected-for-hosting-cheetah-officials-to-train-in-africa-101611051513469.html

Cheetahs being reintroduced by the end of the year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-imports-african-cheetahs-big-cat-locally-extinction-7237807/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovie11 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Eight cheetahs to be translocated from Africa to MP’s Kuno National Park

1. https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/bhopal-news/eight-cheetahs-to-be-translocated-from-africa-to-mp-s-kuno-national-park-101621622571494.html

Cheetah to be re-introduced in India from Africa in November: MP govt

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/cheetah-to-be-re-introduced-in-india-from-africa-in-november-mp-govt/articleshow/82880654.cms

Action Plan for Introduction of Cheetah in India

https://wii.gov.in/images/images/documents/publications/action_plan_cheetah_introduction_jan_2022.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovie11 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

12 cheetahs from South Africa released in MP’s Kuno

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cheetahs-india-south-africa-arrival-8452484/lite/ Ovie11 (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Extinction section doesn't cite sources and misses key points

The statement - "By the beginning of the twentieth century, the species was already heading for extinction in many areas. There were certain places more affected by this problem than others. The Indian reserves were not very thoughtful when creating habitat loss for these oversized cats." has no sources cited. Historians note a declining trend in cheetah population by beginning of twentieth century but not nearing extinction. "There were certain places more affected than others", sounds vague and uncorroborated. Furthermore, which Indian reserves are being referred to in the text?

The extinction section glosses over the fact that cheetahs were hunted during the british/colonial rule as bounties by the administration . Rangarajan also found that cheetahs were bounty-hunted by the colonial administration in fairly large numbers, with rewards ranging from Rs 6 for cubs to up to Rs 18 for an adult. According to his research, between 1870 and 1925 the average number of cheetahs killed for rewards was 1.2 a year. This is higher than the number of cheetahs previously reported to be killed and speared between 1800 and 1950, which totalled 127, or a statistical average of less than one a year. . Or about cheetah taming and capturing during the mughal era. In his paper Lions, Cheetahs, and Others in the Mughal Landscape, wildlife historian and conservationist Divyabhanusinh wrote that there was a “crucial” difference between the lion and the cheetah in the Mughal era. “The former was an object, the ultimate object being royal game, to be dispatched in style when encountered. The cheetah, on the other hand, was to be caught and trained after taming it, as an instrument of shikar (hunting),” he wrote.

While both were mentioned in the history section offering a timeline of the decline would be more beneficial.

Other references:

1. Kazmi, Raza. "Asiatic Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus venaticus in India: A Chronology of Extinction and Related Reports." Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society (JBNHS) 116 (2019): 22-43. 66.76.243.130 (talk) 17:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

References

https://archive.org/details/biostor-152513/page/n1/mode/2up
Rangarajan, Mahesh. “Nations, Nature, and Environmental History.” RCC Perspectives, no. 3 (2011): 27–30. http://www.jstor.org/stable/26240279
https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/how-the-cheetah-hunting-ally-of-mughals-vermin-for-british-raj-went-extinct-in-india/1055385/
Divyabhanusinh, , 'Lions, Cheetahs, and Others in the Mughal Landscape', in Mahesh Rangarajan, and K. Sivaramakrishnan (eds), Shifting Ground: People, Animals, and Mobility in India's Environmental History (Delhi, 2014; online edn, Oxford Academic, 22 Jan. 2015), https://doi.org/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198098959.003.0004, accessed 9 Sept. 2023.

Latest Report on the project.

Check out the latest pdf report on the cheetah project in India.

INTRODUCTION OF CHEETAH IN INDIA https://ntca.gov.in/assets/uploads/Repor...Report.pdf Ovie11 (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

New Report

Project Cheetah in India (2024) https://ntca.gov.in/assets/uploads/Reports/AITM/Cheetah_narrow_booklet-6x11-lowre.pdf Ovie11 (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

Passed. Wolverine XI 04:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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I'll be reviewing this. Wolverine XI 04:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this up. Let me know the comments. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Let me look at this now. Expect comments in a few hours. Wolverine XI 18:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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more than 70 years ago. It would be better to state the date

Done

The Asiatic cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus venaticus) whose range once included most of India were driven to extinction locally with the last known sightings recorded in early 1950s. Why are you repeating the same info?

Modified the line to indicate the reasons

After the cheetahs became locally extinct to Following the local extinction,

Done

re-introduce cheetahs back into the wild. Where is the wild?

Added

This included initial plans to re-introduce the asiatic cheetah from Iran in the 1970s which were shelved due to political instability in Iran and the dwindling population of the species in the existent range. We are missing punctuations

Added

from the north western India "The" is not needed

Done

to the Gangetic plain on the east In the east

Done

from wild mothers What?

Rephrased

population of Cheetahs. Why the caps?

Changed

Cheetahs rarely breed in captivity as there is only one record of a litter ever born to captive animals. This is false. Does this refer to Asiatic cheetahs? The source is also 15 years old.

It refers to asiatic cheetahs. There is only one litter ever born to captive animals. Giving an alternate source as well.

In the late 1908s, What?

Corrected

link separated to Split (phylogenetics)

Not clear

into the wild in steps In steps?

Re-phrased

the first recorded live cheetah births It was one birth

It was four cubs? Anyways, changed.

was reported reportedly Why?

Corrected

Any information on the impacts of reintroducing cheetahs to these parks?

Have added a section.

For background, please only use journals, books or scholarly articles

Done for the most part except the recent record of asiatic cheetah breeding (CNN)

Shouldn't project cheetah fall under Re-introduction plans

Modified the first title to early re-introduction plans; If I move project cheetah under it, it will create too many tiers

In see also please remove all the other non Acinonyx jubatus articles and add Project cheetah as further information. Basically, just remove the see also section.

Removed.

More to come. Wolverine XI 16:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Cite 4 needs page nos.

Fixed

Cite 5 needs page nos.

Fixed

Shouldn't there be author names in the news citations?

Not a mandatory requirement. Still added authors wherever available/applicable

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Please try to solve the above problem. Just for fun :) It's very simple. My work is done here. Wolverine XI 07:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wolverine, comments have been addressed. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magentic Manifestations (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your work and answer. Promoting now. Wolverine XI 04:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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Birth and death graph of the population

The birth and death in the population take a lot of time to read/get an overview, is it possible to make a graph with the following four categories in one graph, and the change over the years?

-animals introduced

-introduced cheetah that died

-cubs born

-locally born that died 2A04:EE41:80:D292:5DCB:9052:ADE4:B4D4 (talk) 22:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

total panther in India 2409:40C4:2012:A1BE:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 12:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no value to this graph. The population is too small to make any kind of demographic conclusion, and barely two years have elapsed. The conditions are not those of a national park. They are more like that of a wildlife sanctuary in which humans intervene by way of providing an indeterminate proportion of nutritional needs and (as has been insinuated) by artificially promoting mating. It doesn't help that there are no trained cheetah zoologists in India. Sorry. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

English

Answer of this 2409:408A:91A:9ADD:3506:5A3C:8D3A:B36D (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Changes to the article

User:Magentic Manifestations has changed a longstanding lead to an inaccurate and POV-ridden version, the latest in this edit. Per WP:BRD I have reverted the changes. The WP:ONUS is theirs to discuss the changes on this talk page and make a case for them. It is Misplaced Pages policy. I will therefore revert it one more time to the previous version, where I was being careful, reinstating the minor intermediate edits of others; they, on the other hand, have blindly reverted, without a real thought to the state of the lead, only to their version. If they engage in edit warring again, I will have no option but to post on the user talk pages of administrators. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

For example, user:Magentic Manifestations (MM hereinafter) have changed the paragraph, replete with citations and quotes:

The Asiatic cheetah whose long history on the Indian subcontinent gave the Sanskrit-derived vernacular name "cheetah", or "spotted", to the entire species, Acinonyx jubatus, also had a gradual history of habitat loss there. In Punjab, before the thorn forests were cleared for agriculture and human settlement, they were intermixed with open grasslands grazed by large herds of blackbuck; these co-existed with their main natural predator, the Asiatic cheetah. The blackbuck is no longer extant in Punjab. Later, more habitat loss, prey depletion, and trophy hunting were to lead to the extinction of the Asiatic cheetah in other regions of India.

to:

The Asiatic cheetah was earlier spread across Western Asia and most of India. The species had a gradual history of habitat loss in India. In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests where they co-existed with their prey blackbuck, and the extirpation of both the species. Later, more habitat loss, prey depletion, and trophy hunting led to the extinction of the Asiatic cheetah from other regions of India.

The Asiatic cheetah page, itself, says, "Its range once spread from the Arabian Peninsula and the Near East to the Caspian region, Transcaucasus, Kyzylkum Desert and northern South Asia, but was extirpated in these regions during the 20th century." In MM's version, "In Northern India, human activities led to the clearing of forests." Not all of North India, if we go by the map in the North India page's infobox, constituted the cheetah's habitat. There were no cheetahs in Kashmir, Uttarakhand, or Bengal. There were in fact no cheetahs originally in the Gangetic Plain as it was heavily forested before the Indo-Aryan languages-speaking migrants into India deforested the plain for agriculture and herding ca 1500–600 BCE. The citation is to R. I. Pocock's edited Fauna of British India, which MM dates to 1939, but the actual survey was carried out from 1911 to 1920. See the Early life section of one of the first articles I wrote on Misplaced Pages: Stanley Henry Prater. See also the last section of Herbert Musgrave Phipson another article I wrote 18 years ago. In other words, they've tried to generalize a vignette about the Punjab and its thorn forests and grasslands—which had been added to catch the reader's interest so they would read on—to a bland, vague, and incorrect summary. In addition, MM has removed two important pictures, one of which is in the India#Biodiversity section of the FA India. And I haven't even mentioned the degradation of readability.

The irony is that they, MM, don't feel they have the WP:ONUS. I have to defend the version that was in place. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

^ Tritsch, M. F. (2001), Wildlife of India, London: HarperCollins, p. 17, ISBN 978-0-00-711062-9, Before it was so heavily settled and intensively exploited, the Punjab was dominated by thorn forest interspersed by rolling grasslands which were grazed on by millions of Blackbuck, accompanied by their dominant predator, the Cheetah. Always keen hunters, the Moghul princes kept tame cheetahs which were used to chase and bring down the blackbuck. Today the Asiatic cheetah is extinct in India and the severely endangered blackbuck no longer exists in the Punjab.

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