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	{{ping\|Skyerise}} We do not need to use boldface on translations. It looks ridiculous. Shall we add "adamantine vehicle"? How many more could we find? ] (]) 00:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

	:Just following ] and ]. You need a ] to change a long-standing editorial decision on this article. It's within the realm of permitted use, which means you don't get to impose your preference without support from other editors. ] (]) 03:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

	:P.S. Looks anything but ridiculous to me. It looks efficiently informative. That's the thing about subjective opinion. I think British spellings look ridiculous, but I know that they aren't, so I don't change them. ] (]) 03:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

	::I still think the translation doesn't need to be bold, but as you're willing to compromise, I'm willing to drop it. ] (]) 22:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

	== Origins of Vajrayana ==		== Origins of Vajrayana ==

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The difference between Nirvana and Buddha hood.

Nirvana is a Sanskrit word as you well know, but did you know it consists of tree words, Nir Vad Djna, literally this mean “Without wrong thought”, at least this is what my teacher Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche taught me. To reach Nirvana is to come to the end of ones preconceived ideas, to the place where the world is new at every moment.

Buddha hood is to gain the state of a Buddha, to be a Buddha is to gain throughout ages an accumulation of merits or positive accumulated fearlessness to deal with the parts of life that beings do not like to deal with and witch make up what is commonly known as the subconscious. Having gained a storage of “good merit” one will have the connection to a whole world of sentient beings, through ones work, and so will start at a proper time a new world cycle of Buddhist teachings.

To become a Buddha and to attain Nirvana is one and the same, there is no difference between the two, in actual experience. To reach Nirvana is like becoming truly sane. And to become a Buddha is to become the King of Fearlessness.

Nirvana you may gain for you self anytime but becoming a Buddha is another matter. --Mitrapa 16:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa.

Different teachers give different etymologies for the word "nirvana". The most common is as follows: "nir" is the prefix meaning "to cease" or "to stop"; "vaana" means "blowing": thus "extinguished" or "blown out" would be the literal translation. - --Bodhirakshita 03:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

where to put this?

don't know yet.

Deity practice

I removed the following, misleading fragment from the article:

"Deity Tantra is often practiced at the moment directly prior to sexual climax. The practitioner takes a consort and this is practiced in pairs. Often times the couple pictures themselves as the deities in the mandala making love."

It gives the impression that tantric buddhist deity practices are predominantly done in a "sexual" setting. In reality however, these deity practices are just meditation practices - with no consort involved. In anuttarayogatantra, the deities often do have consorts, but anuttarayogatantra is not relevant to most tantric practitioners.

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Origins of Vajrayana

This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.

There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.

Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?

All best wishes,

Badabara (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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