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Please add in George Soros felony for insider trading. https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/soros-loses-challenge-to-insider-trading-conviction/ Martine4508 (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Not done: This is already in the article, under George Soros#Société Générale insider trade. Grayfell (talk) 23:11, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Arthur J. Finkelstein campaign against Soros

Please include information on Arthur J. Finkelstein inventing Soros as the political enemy first in Hungary and then around the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.172.205 (talk) 21:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Unnamed section

Robert Soros and Melissa Schiff

Re the mention about these persons in the article, some sources have reported that Melissa Schiff is the sister of U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff, although the cited NYT supporting source does not make this assertion; other sources have refuted such an assertion. The article mentions the marriage -- perhaps it ought to mention this reported nonrelationship. Some refuting sources: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/adam-schiff-george-soros-not-laws/, https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/adam-schiffs-sister-was-married-to-george-soros-son/. https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3470303-fake-news-adam-melissa-schiff-george-robert-soros-marriage.html#live, https://themikerothschild.com/2018/02/07/adam-schiff-sister/. I don't know whether or not Adam and Melissa are related. Robert Soros and Melissa Schiff are apparently now divorced; see https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a14480032/in-a-high-profile-divorce-who-gets-the-art/. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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Who wrote this entry? George Soros? The bias is stunning. 67.158.178.25 (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

You can find a comprehensive list of contributors by viewing the article's history. GMG 15:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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This edit request to George Soros has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. Information about George Soros collaboration with the Nazis is missing, he even admitted to it himself and have talked about it, so why is it being hidden? Otto1982 (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC) This seems to already be mentioned in the sentence "conspiracy theory that Soros was a Nazi collaborator who turned in other Jews and stole their property". – Þjarkur (talk) 17:57, 24 April 2019 (UTC) it's not a "conspiracy theory", though it's debatable if you consider his acts collaborative or not. these are arbitrary distinctions and should be qualified as such, not pushing propaganda of Soros publishers/propagandists71.89.114.35 (talk) 05:42, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

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REMOVE UNSOURCED INFORMATION

George Soros does not have a masters degree neither a PHD. This is unsourced material that must be removed. He has an honorary PHD but doesn't have a master or a PHD. Which is very different. This information obviously makes him appear more academic than he really is and may induce people to think that his books might be of some value. This is deceiving consumers and spreading false information which is contrary to Misplaced Pages's mission . Bobperelmanbot (talk) 00:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It looks like this information was added here. The edit summary does have a link that says he has a Ph.D and, but I haven't been able to find that information anywhere else. One of the citations shows that he has a MSc (not MA), but says nothing about a doctorate. Because of the sanctions in place, I think it'd be best to get a consensus here. Frood 04:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Geroge Soros does not have a masters or PHD. Please remove the UNSOURCED information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2567811 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

BBC says he has them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:17, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Some examples of bias and editorializing that need to be addressed

Lydia Gall of Human Rights Watch asserted that it was reminiscent of Nazi posters during the Second World War featuring "'the laughing Jew'".

An important piece of context is missing: George Soros donated $100 Million to Human Rights Watch. This should be mentioned to warn the reader that this is not an dis-interested organisation.

Hours later, in an apparent attempt to ally Israel with Hungary, Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a "clarification", denouncing Soros, stating that he "continuously undermines Israel's democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself".

Why "apparent attempt"? Why put clarification in between quotes? This is clearly framing it into a negative action from Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.101.225.104 (talk) at 12:37, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

"Vulture Capitalist"

Seems logical to include this in the header the way @FactExposer: described. There are at least 2 verifiable sources. Anyone opposed able to logically explain how Soros is not a vulture capitalist? @NorthBySouthBaranof: AOKuneff (talk) 21:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

That unfortunate term was coined to refer to an investor in distressed assets, which is not the basis of Mr. Soros' notability. So it's a non-starter. SPECIFICO talk 21:59, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

It is an unfortunate term. Vultures play a necessary role in nature, as do investors with distressed assets in the economy. soibangla (talk) 22:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

AOKuneff, of the two sources that user added, one is a source with a conservative POV and the other is an opinion piece. Pass. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

By Muboshgu definition, Comet Ping Pong's pizzagate has not been debunked because it is only liberal sources defending it.. Here's another source https://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/11/29/vulture-capitalism-is-bad-unless-george-soros-is-involved albeit a conservative one. It is unsurprising conservatives are more critical of Soros than liberals, although unless we see liberal sources defending Soros' practices as *not* vulture capitalism, it is reasonable to include conservative sources. AOKuneff (talk) 14:18, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

We don't generally include one-sided, context-free invective in BLPs, and the fact that no one has bothered to refute a claim is usually a good indicator that the criticism isn't notable enough to bother citing on Misplaced Pages. The sources you've provided thus far don't seem sufficient to constitute WP:DUE weight for including. Nblund 14:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

AOKuneff, that's a ridiculous thing to suggest. Any nonpartisan source worth its weight has debunked Pizzagate. The Blaze is a right wing conspiracy site that isn't reliable. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The Blaze and NRO are consistently more reliable than snopes or the nyt. Perhaps the compromise would be to say that "conservative sites such as The Blaze and the NRO have described George Soros as a Vulture Capitalist" AOKuneff (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The Blaze and NRO are consistently more reliable than snopes or the nyt. Yeah, no, if you really believe that, you should probably be editing Conservapedia instead of Misplaced Pages. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:15, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Is anyone opposed to adding "conservative sites such as The Blaze and the NRO have described George Soros as a Vulture Capitalist" to the lede? Please be productive to the conversation in why this does or does not work. Simply "blah blah conservatives suck blah blah" is unreasonable. And there are tons of instances of snopes being out of bounds. In the last 10 minutes, I found , , , . Can you provide a similar list for the NRO? Or the blaze? Perhaps you should be editing rationalwiki instead of Misplaced Pages. AOKuneff (talk) 18:04, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The Blaze and Daily Mail are unreliable, the NRO piece is an opinion, and Forbes is now a shadow of its former self, now mostly opinion pieces written by nobodies. It's junk. soibangla (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd be strongly opposed to adding that to the lead. I think you've gotten productive conversation, but you don't like the answers you've gotten. Statements of opinion should be given WP:DUE weight. Notable criticisms might be worth including in the body, but vague name-calling doesn't belong in the lead of a Misplaced Pages entry, especially when the sources are so weak. Nblund 20:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Update I didn't notice when I responded that AOKuneff has been blocked. I guess that puts a lid on this discussion. Nblund 20:45, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Go figure. Someone WP:UNINVOLVED should hat this then. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Please delete this redundant indefinite article in the section Honors and awards: 'describing him as a "a standard bearer for liberal democracy"'. 81.96.15.89 (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out! aboideau 16:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Right wing?

Under "Conspiracy Theories," the article cites several individuals who claim Soros was a Nazi sympathizer during WWII. These individuals are collectively labeled as"Right wing" despite one of them being Roseanne Barr. Barr has been a member of left leaning political parties such as the Green Party (running for president in 2012) and the Peace and Freedom Party. Misplaced Pages's own articles on Barr discusses this. Granted, Barr has been critical of Soros' perceived anti-Semitism. Her motivations may have been rooted more by the fact that she is Jewish, herself, than being a "Right-winger." I recommend (for consistency's sake) removing the label "Right wing" from this paragraph. DGTubbs (talk) 17:06, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

RS say rightwing. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:07, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans, the NYT source doesnt say that she is right-wing. The source says that she conservative. I think that since she has apologized for the tweets per her article, we can remove her name.--SharabSalam (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I thought he was disputing the lead saying he was subject of rightwing/conservative conspiracy theories Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh yea I agree. The sources say that they are right-wing conspiracy theories. I focused more on the point that DGTubbs made regarding Roseanne Barr.--SharabSalam (talk) 17:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Soros' Open Society Foundation found to have unprecedented influence on decision makings of the ECHR

A 6-month investigation carried out by the independent organization European Centre for Law & Justice found that George Soros' Open Society Foundation had unprecedented influence on NGOs & judges at the European Court of Human Rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah-x3 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Founded by Pat Robertson, run by one of Trump's impeachment lawyers. Very "independent." We should probably wait for independent secondary sources to exist before discussing whether any of this merits inclusion. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

So? There are lots of trustworthy media outlets/organizations created by people from the left/right. It may not be independent, but not because of that. I still wouldn't use that as a source.

References

1. https://eclj.org/geopolitics/echr/conflits-d-interets-entre-juges-et-ong

Matteo Salvini

It should be said that former Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini also believes in theories of Soros and the Kalergi plan. He is the only member of the government of a democratic country (not Putin and Orban) to have given credit to these things.

Reference/source:

(in Italian)

• Salvini e il piano Kalergi, così la bufala cospirazionista è diventata dottrina di governo (Salvini and the Kalergi plan, so the conspiracy hoax became government doctrine) - critical article by Il Fatto Quotidiano
• Critics by Agenzia Italia: Chi è George Soros e perché Salvini ce l'ha tanto con lui (Who is George Soros and why Salvini is so angry with him)
• Article in favor of Salvini by Libero Quotidiano (one of Berlusconi's newspapers) against Soros (which shows the billionaire's words about Salvini, defined dictator by Soros) and "Sardine" Movement (a left-wing movement): George Soros: "Matteo Salvini potenziale dittatore, le sardine trionferanno" (George Soros: "Matteo Salvini potential dictator, the sardines will triumph") --Traiano91 (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Does Trump also believe in conspiracy theories about Soros? Now I have the doubt.--Traiano91 (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Moving Conspiracy theorists

It should be a subsection under philanthropy. ToddGrande (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Liberal bias

I'm dumbfounded by the strong liberal bias of Misplaced Pages, in this article it's visible in the section of "Conspiracy theories"; now, I don't doubt that most of them are bullshit and that most (if not all) came from the right and Conservatives; however, a slight bias is visible in the way that section of the article states that most of those theories are promoted by Fox News and Breitbart, essentially portraying them as 'evil' right-wing propaganda machines and saying they blame Soros of everything they disapprove of. I don't doubt that these outlets promote those stupid theories, but can we please rewrite that part so we can stop potraying Fox News, Breitbart and other pro-Conservative Right-wing media outlets in a cartoonish villanous light (an endemic problem here in Misplaced Pages)? Let's substite a few words and make a slight rewrite so it looks more neutral and more objective, that's all I'm suggesting (and I think the rest of the article is fine). --177.225.172.224 (talk) 05:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

You're referring to the following paragraph:

Conservatives, meanwhile, picked up on the thread in the late 2000s, spearheaded by Fox News. Bill O'Reilly gave an almost ten-minute monologue on Soros in 2007, calling him an "extremist" and claiming he was "off-the-charts dangerous". Breitbart News, according to the London Times journalist, David Aaronovitch, in promoting East European nationalism, has regularly published articles blaming Soros for anything of which it disapproves.

This is the only place where that section mentions Fox News and Breitbart. It seems to be WP:DUE weight to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

References

1. Cite error: The named reference Vocativ_CSes was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
2. Aaronovitch, David (March 2, 2017). "Extremists find their time has come at last". The Times. Retrieved May 3, 2018.

Why do the summarization of the occupation list “Investor, hedge fund manager, author, and philanthropist” and omit “political donor” despite many major conservative / Republican political donors are correctly labeled as such?

For example, Sheldon Adelson is described in Misplaced Pages as “American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, and political donor” but George Soros is not, despite his article documenting substantial ongoing political contributions to liberal / Democratic issues and candidates?

Edokin (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Why do the summarization of the occupation list “Investor, hedge fund manager, author, and philanthropist” and omit “political donor” despite many major conservative / Republican political donors are correctly labeled as such?

For example, Sheldon Adelson is described in Misplaced Pages as “American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, and political donor” but George Soros is not, despite his article documenting substantial ongoing political contributions to liberal / Democratic issues and candidates?

Edokin (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

IMO Adelson's page shouldn't start off like that. Neiher Soros nor Adelson are notable because of their political donations. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Soros has individually donated several billions of dollars to political causes and has contributed to over 200 political organizations and he is not notable because of his political donations? Not sure I understand Muboshgu (talk). - Chiappoloni (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding to Political Involvement section

In reference to:

1. 05/23/2020

Please can we add these edits back to the Political Involvement section (sub-headings re USA federal, local, and other donations, as well as sourcing information for relevant articles)? Also, relevant sourcing to referenced The Telegraph article in the Brexit paragraph of the Conspiracy Theory section for the relevant sourcing for readers' ease-of-access and readability? I am fine with the wording of certain sentences in the article being reverted to the previous tone (which appears to not have enough of a NPOV), if necessary, but please can we not remove the helpful articles and information with legitimate sourcing articles. Chiappoloni (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I disagree; I think it's wildly undue weight to go into extensive detail about the arguments of, to choose one example, particular county district attorney candidates who may have received some funding from some groups which receive some funding from Soros. It's completely irrelevant to Soros' biography that Real Justice is underwritten by Cari Tuna, the wife of Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Soros and has no place in his biography.

Additionally, several of the sources you used in that edit are absolutely not reliable sources; "NeedToKnow.news" appears to be a right-wing extremist conspiracy-theory-peddling nonsense site, and Ballotpedia is a wiki at least partially made up of user-generated content and thus fails reliable sourcing guidelines. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

*I disagree - To Chiappoloni - I do not support your request. The verbiage used is derogatory, bias & violates NPOV. For example, "illegal aliens" is derogatory, bias, violates NPOV, and has nothing to do with the biography of George Soros. Plus, as NorthBySouthBaranof says, the sources used are not reliable sources. BetsyRMadison (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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You wrote "Numerous American conservatives have promoted false claims that characterize Soros as a singularly dangerous "puppet master"..." I believe the use of the word FALSE is a politically biased and an unnecessary add to the story. I support Misplaced Pages because of it's non-biased non-political offering of informational facts. I believe this violates those standards 2601:151:4502:14A0:A0CA:6F01:B0A9:1752 (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Being unbiased means telling the truth as verified by reliable sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The European right as well as the American right

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Please change

Soros' philanthropy and support for progressive causes has made him the object of a large number of conspiracy theories, most of them originating from the political right. Veronika Bondarenko, writing for Business Insider said that "For two decades, some have seen Soros as a kind of puppet master secretly controlling the global economy and politics." The New York Times describes the allegations as moving "from the dark corners of the internet and talk radio" to "the very center of the political debate" by 2018.

Soros has become a magnet for such theories, with opponents claiming that he is behind such diverse events as the 2017 Women's March, the fact-checking website Snopes, the gun-control activism engaged in by the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, the October 2018 immigrant caravans, and the protests against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Conservatives, meanwhile, picked up on the thread in the late 2000s, spearheaded by Fox News. Bill O'Reilly gave an almost ten-minute monologue on Soros in 2007, calling him an "extremist" and claiming he was "off-the-charts dangerous". Breitbart News, according to the London Times journalist, David Aaronovitch, in promoting East European nationalism, has regularly published articles blaming Soros for anything of which it disapproves.

Soros' opposition to Brexit (in the United Kingdom) led to a front page on the British Conservative supporting newspaper, The Daily Telegraph in February 2018, which was accused of antisemitism for claiming he was involved in a supposed "secret plot" for the country's voters to reverse their decision to leave the European Union. While The Daily Telegraph did not mention Soros is Jewish, his opposition to Britain leaving the European Union had been reported elsewhere in less conspiratorial terms. Stephen Pollard, editor of The Jewish Chronicle, said on Twitter: "The point is that language matters so much and this is exactly the language being used by antisemites here and abroad". In October 2019, Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Soros of being the "funder-in-chief" of the Remain campaign, and was subsequently accused of anti-Semitism by opposition MPs.

After being ousted from office in the wake of the Panama Papers scandal of 2016, Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson accused Soros of having bankrolled a conspiracy to remove him from power. It was later pointed out that Soros himself had also been implicated in the Panama Papers, casting doubt on the prime minister's theory.

Right-wing figures such as Alex Jones, Donald Trump Jr., James Woods, Dinesh D'Souza, Louie Gohmert, and Larry Klayman have spread a false conspiracy theory, which has been described as anti-Semitic, that Soros was a Nazi collaborator who turned in other Jews and stole their property. Soros was a child during World War II who had to hide from the Hungarian government during Nazi occupation.

In October 2018, Soros was accused of funding a Central American migrant caravan heading toward America. The theory that Soros was somehow causing Central American migration at the southern US border apparently dates back to late March 2018, however. The October 2018 strain of the theory has been described to combine anti-semitism, anti-immigrant sentiment and "the specter of powerful foreign agents controlling major world events in pursuit of a hidden agenda", connecting Soros and other wealthy individuals of Jewish faith or background to the October caravan. Both Cesar Sayoc, the perpetrator of the October 2018 attempted bombings of prominent Democrats, and Robert Bowers, the perpetrator of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, referred to this conspiracy theory on social media before their crimes.

In November 2018, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan denounced Soros while speaking about Turkey's political purges, saying: "The person who financed terrorists during the Gezi incidents is already in prison. And who is behind him? The famous Hungarian Jew Soros. This is a man who assigns people to divide nations and shatter them."

In November 2019, attorney Joseph diGenova, who is known for promoting conspiracy theories about the Department of Justice and the FBI, asserted without evidence that Soros "controls a very large part of the career foreign service of the United States State Department" and "also controls the activities of FBI agents overseas who work for NGOs -- work with NGOs. That was very evident in Ukraine."

A study by Zignal Labs found that unsubstantiated claims of involvement by Soros were one of three dominant themes in misinformation and conspiracy theories around the 2020 George Floyd protests, alongside claims that Floyd's death had been faked and claims of involvement by antifa groups.

to:

Soros' philanthropy and support for progressive causes has made him the object of a large number of conspiracy theories, most of them originating from the political right. Veronika Bondarenko, writing for Business Insider said that "For two decades, some have seen Soros as a kind of puppet master secretly controlling the global economy and politics." The New York Times describes the allegations as moving "from the dark corners of the internet and talk radio" to "the very center of the political debate" by 2018.

Soros has become a magnet for such theories, with opponents claiming that he is behind such diverse events as the 2017 Women's March, the fact-checking website Snopes, the gun-control activism engaged in by the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, the October 2018 immigrant caravans, and the protests against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Conservatives, meanwhile, picked up on the thread in the late 2000s, spearheaded by Fox News. Bill O'Reilly gave an almost ten-minute monologue on Soros in 2007, calling him an "extremist" and claiming he was "off-the-charts dangerous". Breitbart News, according to the London Times journalist, David Aaronovitch, in promoting East European nationalism, has regularly published articles blaming Soros for anything of which it disapproves.

Soros' opposition to Brexit (in the United Kingdom) led to a front page on the British Conservative supporting newspaper, The Daily Telegraph in February 2018, which was accused of antisemitism for claiming he was involved in a supposed "secret plot" for the country's voters to reverse their decision to leave the European Union. While The Daily Telegraph did not mention Soros is Jewish, his opposition to Britain leaving the European Union had been reported elsewhere in less conspiratorial terms. Stephen Pollard, editor of The Jewish Chronicle, said on Twitter: "The point is that language matters so much and this is exactly the language being used by antisemites here and abroad". In October 2019, Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Soros of being the "funder-in-chief" of the Remain campaign, and was subsequently accused of anti-Semitism by opposition MPs.

After being ousted from office in the wake of the Panama Papers scandal of 2016, Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson accused Soros of having bankrolled a conspiracy to remove him from power. It was later pointed out that Soros himself had also been implicated in the Panama Papers, casting doubt on the prime minister's theory.

Right-wing figures such as Alex Jones, Donald Trump Jr., James Woods, Dinesh D'Souza, Louie Gohmert, and Larry Klayman have spread a false conspiracy theory, which has been described as anti-Semitic, that Soros was a Nazi collaborator who turned in other Jews and stole their property. Soros was a child during World War II who had to hide from the Hungarian government during Nazi occupation.

Far-right politicians in Soros' native Hungary have also promulgated conspiracy theories revolving around him, with American-Polish writer Anne Applebaum describing among the Hungarian far-right a widely held "belief, shared by the Russian government and the American alt-right, in the superhuman powers of George Soros, the Hungarian Jewish billionaire who is supposedly plotting to bring down the nation through the deliberate importation of migrants, even though no such migrants exist in Hungary."

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban based his successful 2018 campaign for a third term largely on a "Stop Soros" platform, including a crackdown on various civil institutions and Non-Governmental Organizations supposedly associated with Soros.

In October 2018, Soros was accused of funding a Central American migrant caravan heading toward America. The theory that Soros was somehow causing Central American migration at the southern US border apparently dates back to late March 2018, however. The October 2018 strain of the theory has been described to combine anti-semitism, anti-immigrant sentiment and "the specter of powerful foreign agents controlling major world events in pursuit of a hidden agenda", connecting Soros and other wealthy individuals of Jewish faith or background to the October caravan. Both Cesar Sayoc, the perpetrator of the October 2018 attempted bombings of prominent Democrats, and Robert Bowers, the perpetrator of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, referred to this conspiracy theory on social media before their crimes.

In November 2018, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan denounced Soros while speaking about Turkey's political purges, saying: "The person who financed terrorists during the Gezi incidents is already in prison. And who is behind him? The famous Hungarian Jew Soros. This is a man who assigns people to divide nations and shatter them."

In November 2019, attorney Joseph diGenova, who is known for promoting conspiracy theories about the Department of Justice and the FBI, asserted without evidence that Soros "controls a very large part of the career foreign service of the United States State Department" and "also controls the activities of FBI agents overseas who work for NGOs -- work with NGOs. That was very evident in Ukraine."

A study by Zignal Labs found that unsubstantiated claims of involvement by Soros were one of three dominant themes in misinformation and conspiracy theories around the 2020 George Floyd protests, alongside claims that Floyd's death had been faked and claims of involvement by antifa groups.

References

1. Applebaum, Anne. "A Warning From Europe: The Worst Is Yet to Come". The Atlantic. Retrieved 6 June 2020.
2. McAuley, James. "Viktor Orban, after soaring to reelection win in Hungary, to target George Soros and NGOs". The Washington Post. The Washington Post. Retrieved 6 June 2020.

 Not done. Please break up your proposal into more digestible portions which clearly show what changes you wish to make. Please also attach any new refs rather than copy the numbers. El_C 20:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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The Term Arbitrage investor is misleading. This is more commonly referred to as Hedge Funds investor. All instance of the word "Arbitrage" be replaced with "Hedge fund". Matthew.buma (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

“Macedonia” is wrong

The part talking about Soros’ activity in Central Europe has a big mistake. It denotes the former Skopje country as Macedonia. The newly recognized country, along with its government, should be flagged as “North Macedonia”. If you write down solely the name “Macedonia”, this indicates a region of Greece, rather than the country of North Macedonia. Please change it where it‘s due. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LazTheo23 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The issues are mentioned before renaming, however, I inserted a link at the first occurence to clarify.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC))

SCOTUS rules against Open Society-yet another right wing conspiracy to be added

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-177_b97c.pdf

• court records are the epitome of RS, any editor that posts otherwise is merely waiting on spin.

98-6 editors posting more criticism vs the gate keepers who perpetually disallow it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C800:2260:DFD:C69B:4927:494B (talk) 19:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The word "Soros" does not appear in the document. The Misplaced Pages policy on original research says: "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article" (emphasis in the original). Philip Cross (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Disclosure of Soros ties to Wikimedia (and thus Misplaced Pages) funding

As this page discusses Soros, it seems it would be prudent to at least mention that Wikimedia (and thus Misplaced Pages) has a financial tie to Soros. This is not to say that Soros dictates what is on this page, but as disclosure is imperative in many other areas where information is attempted to be provided in a neutral way, it certainly could not hurt to disclose the connection when the subject is the also a donor.

Wikimedia cites Tides Foundation as a donor. In addition, Misplaced Pages cites Tides Foundation as a donor.

Reuters cites Soros as a donor to Tides by way of Open Society Foundations. This is listed on the Tides Foundation, as well.

You'd need significant coverage of that as an issue in third-party sources, and it's more appropriate for articles concerning Misplaced Pages than for an overview of Soros's life. Since nobody who actually edits Misplaced Pages is paid for it, it's not like we're the Washington Post where they presumably have a macro that inserts a disclaimer every time Jeff Bezos is mentioned. Acroterion (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

References

1. "Misplaced Pages celebrates 15 years of free knowledge". Wikimedia Foundation. 2016-01-14. Retrieved 2020-11-18.
2. "Misplaced Pages 15". 15.wikipedia.org. Retrieved 2020-11-18.
3. Nichols, Mark Egan, Michelle (2011-10-14). "Soros: not a funder of Wall Street protests". Reuters. Retrieved 2020-11-18.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

District attorney campaigns

@Snooganssnoogans: Did you have an objection to having a mention of the district attorney campaigns that Soros has been donating to in the #Political involvement section? You did not use an edit summary in your revert of Ihaveadreamagain.

The sentence was sourced with a Politico source. Politico is generally considered reliable. I think that this is due because there is wide coverage in reliable sources and the donations are counted in millions of dollars (which is unprecedented in DA campaigns per RS'es).

• Politico (30 August, 2016): George Soros' quiet overhaul of the U.S. justice system
• Los Angeles Times (23 May, 2018): Here’s why George Soros, liberal groups are spending big to help decide who’s your next D.A.
• Houston Chronicle (13 October, 2016): Soros again pumps money into Harris County district attorney's race
• Chicago Sun Times (20 February, 2020): Another billionaire weighs in on state’s attorney’s race: George Soros gives $2M to group backing Foxx
• Philadelphia Inquirer (25 April, 2017): Billionaire George Soros now a player in Philly DA race
• St. Louis Post-Dispatch (24 July, 2016): St. Louis circuit attorney candidate defends accepting super PAC campaign money from liberal billionaire
• The Wall Street Journal (1 June, 2017): Black Lives Matters Defender May Become Philadelphia’s Next District Attorney
• Buzzfeed News (7 March, 2018): The Campaign To Change Policing In The US Has Found A New Way To Win
• The New York Times (5 November, 2016): After High-Profile Shootings, Blacks Seek Prosecutor Seats

The coverage is so extensive that it would be good if an article was created for the Safety and Justice PAC itself, but given how these sources directly talk about Soros's donations, a short mention would be warranted. --Pudeo (talk) 17:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The text was added by a right-wing POV pusher, and the language of "quietly overhauling the criminal justice system" was clearly intended to feed into anti-Semitic George Soros conspiracy theories that he is engaging in sinister puppetmaster activities and more specifically that he is somehow behind the George Floyd protests. I have no opposition to addition of text that says that Soros has donated to causes such as criminal justice reform and candidates who run on criminal justice reform platforms. However, over my dead body that this encyclopedia is going to push anti-Semitic conspiracy theory narratives about Soros. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Does it in any way matter if the person commenting is on the right or left politically? And why is criticizing Soros "clearly intended to feed into feed into antisemitism"? I ask again, as a Jewish person why criticizing this non religious billionaire anything to do with AntiSemitism?

2601:445:447F:1370:4184:2AFD:C32A:65F0 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:48, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The the language of "quietly overhauling the criminal justice system" came from the Politico article, not me. You should read the source. Characterizing me as a right-wing POV pusher seems quite hostile, given my history of attempting to neutrally edit pages. I am new, and not so hardened to be impervious to slurs. --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 17:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)IHaveADreamagain

Politico's language is utterly disgraceful, given the context. The article is popular among white supremacists, right-wing conspiracy theorists and other crackpots for precisely the use of incendiary conspiratorial language. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Politico may write stories that you don't like covered, but considering how hated Soros is by many people in Israel, especially by the President of Israel, whom Soros has attacked numerous times, I think we can drop the "racists like it so we need to stop talking about it". A billionaire is trying to change our legal system in his image. How is talking about it antiSemitic?

2601:445:447F:1370:4184:2AFD:C32A:65F0 (talk) 21:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Notwithstanding anyone's opinion of Politico, it is WP:RS/P by consensus, and should be included. Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 19:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)IHaveADreamAgain

I find it very interesting how rather than argue for language that is not anti-Semitic and conspiratorial (which can be found in the Politico piece or in the many other articles listed above), you instead just keep arguing for the anti-Semitic conspiracy presentation of this content. It's almost as if the purpose of this content is not to clarify that Soros donates to the cause of criminal justice reform, but rather something else. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

How would you word the entry? I just wanted the information there that reflects what Politico said. You come off as a suspicious person who is intent on twisting the edits of well-meaning editors. It's no wonder new users often leave so quickly. You are making it a hostile environment. Personally, I LOVE Jewish people and HATE antisemitism, which I assume from your statements is the same as you. I do not understand your hostility to me when I simply wanted to add a Politico article reference. If you're trying to pick a fight, go elsewhere, please. I would like a neutral party to intervene and advise what should be done with the edit. This type of nonsense is not worthy of much more time spent. Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)IHaveADreamAgain

You do understand that some here may not even know who Jews are? I do not know. Never cared, another religion or what? I mean Soros is not a Jew, he clearly does not believe in God or whatever. Really, as a teenager, I think it is hillarious, all that BS. Also, it is against wikipedia rules to tell others they are homophobic, transphobic, etc, etc. Also, to the other guy. The way to have inclusion is WP:RfC and I vote yes on the speedy inclusion as it is a scandal of Fox News, notabilty and wide coveredge is overwhelming of that scandal. 91.78.221.238 (talk) 11:43, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Order of his real name "Gyorgy Schwartz" or the reverse?

For some reason, Soros's birth name is shown as "Schwartz Gyorgy". Is there a reason that his first name is last, and first name last? A small thing, but an error nonetheless. I'd just fix it, but maybe there's a reason it's done this way -- it doesn't even have a comma after "Schwartz" as it would be represented in a footnote or other reference. Soros doesn't seem to have a sense of humor and I'm convinced he's the real life incarnation of Karl Stromberg from The Spy Who Loved Me, so better to be careful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sychonic (talk • contribs) 12:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, unless noted, it should not be on Eastern name order.(KIENGIR (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC))

Project Syndicate

George Soros is a regular columnist to Project Syndicate, this needs added to his wikipage. --Devokewater (talk) 14:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Shorting pound to things Soros is known for?

As in title, namely in the infobox, would it be alright to add his short sale of the pound during ERM crisis into the things he’s known for? Or is it only for organisations he’s set up etc? Iamthinking2202 (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thats covered in: "Advising the Quantum Fund". --Devokewater (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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"Numerous American conservatives have promoted false claims..." - What are the sources of the "false claims?" If it's a journalist at a newspaper -- no matter how large or popular -- that doesn't make it fact. Cite what the claims are and how they've been PROVEN false. Journalists' opinions aren't proof of false claims. Perhaps their claims are false. User442 (talk) 13:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done. It's already cited. You can read the sources and see for yourself how it is a well-supported summary. Binksternet (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

-I propose changing "Numerous American conservatives have promoted false claims" to "have claimed". This is in order to keep Misplaced Pages as accurate and unbiased as possible. "False claims" would suggest they are proven to be false, while "Have Claimed" already suggests the claims are not proven right, but neither have they been proven false. I respectfully ask that we keep Misplaced Pages as politically neutral as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:C42A:7C70:7546:6C77:84D6:AFF2 (talk) 09:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Robert Soros - not CEU Founder

Robert Daniel Soros (born 1963): The founder of the Central European University in Budapest, as well as a network of foundations in Eastern Europe. In 1992, he married Melissa Robin Schiff at the Temple Emanu-El in New York City. The Rabbi Dr. David Posner officiated the ceremony.

Correction:

This line incorrectly references Robert as the founder of the Central European University in Budapest, as well as a network of foundations in Eastern Europe; George Soros is the the founder of the Central European University in Budapest, as well as a network of foundations in Eastern Europe.

Aine duffy (talk) 13:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC) Aine_Duffy

On being most giving person.

There should be a footnote or, something in parentheses mentioning that the foundation he gave to, is his. Seth.wrigh (talk) 19:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Seth.wrigh, we follow reliable sources. The Forbes article says When measured as a percentage of net worth, the most generous giver is renowned hedge fund manager George Soros, who has donated 64% of his original fortune. The Hungarian native, now worth an estimated $8.6 billion, has distributed more than $15 billion to nonprofits through his Open Society Foundations, an international grantmaking network that supports advancing justice, education, public health and independent media. He uses his foundation to fund causes, as he is supposed to, unlike those who set up foundations to run as a personal piggybank. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Certainly this is the most generous BILLIONAIRE donor in terms of percent of net-worth. There are, all throughout the history of mankind people whom have given everything they have to others, but they are not as notable because they never amassed a huge fortune. I propose parsing the sentence to state percent of original net worth, and then state that "Forbes called him the most generous giver." Surely this is more true than him actually giving the largest percent of net worth of anyone. Scotty.tiberius (talk)

George Soros - Education misrepresentation and falsehood/fraud

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I personally never knew Misplaced Pages could be a fraud and promotion was for an institution called London School of Economics. It's pathetic that Soros who is a billionaire is being promoted as a LSE degree holder.

It is a fact that until 2008, LSE as an institution never awarded a single degree to its enrolled students. Until 2008, all constituent colleges solely awarded University of London degree. There was no LSE diploma/degree/certificate in existence. It was a creation after 2008.

How did George Soros get a LSE degree in 1950's and 1960's when LSE started its degree from year 2008. Isn't this a blatant fraud and a lie? Why is LSE lying?

LSE is a social sciences institution and that's all. It isn't actually a university in the sense that it doesn't teach engineering, arts, creative sciences, pure/applied math and pure sciences. Neither faculties and not departments exists within LSE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.98.106 (talk) 12:48, June 30, 2021 (UTC)

LSE was founded in 1895 and counts hundreds of notable people among its alumni, and your claim here doesn't seem to even understand how colleges and universities work: One absolutely can graduate from a college that's associated with a university.

This should have been easy to look up, as there's an encyclopedia at hand, here. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:00, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Tell me all about it. you are biased and totally wrong. I have a good understanding how universities across world work. LSE was founded in 1895 but no proof it awarded any degree in 1895. LSE joined UOL in 1900 and under federal collegiate UOL awarded UOL degrees from 1901 to 2008.

How is LSE mentioned in the article and conveniently University of London not even mentioned? The fact is that the central federal UOL has been awarding degree (to its constituent colleges) since 1836 and not LSE which started to award degree in its own name since 2008.

University of London Worldwide was established in 1858. So in terms of existence the central body is more prestigious than LSE which began to award UOL degree since 1901. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.97.178 (talk) 13:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I am biased and totally wrong, eh? Amazing how this well-sourced encyclopedia here just so happens to agree with me that one can, in fact, graduate from a college that is part of a university, versus your assertion that they cannot. One wonders what the point of a Collegiate university is if one cannot actually graduate from it, but alas, I'm apparently biased and wrong, so I'll never be able to figure it out. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Bill Gates studied at Harvard College but dropped out. Why does his profile in his info-box say Harvard University as alumni and not Harvard College. This goes for other drop outs and famed alumnis across the world.

UOL is collegiate but so is Oxford and Cambridge. At the end any student studying anywhere at University of Cambridge, does get a singular Cambridge degree, but we all know studying at Trinity and other colleges are too different. Each other have their own alumni groups within Oxbridge.

LSE began to give degrees since 2008. We know the reasons why (goes for all UOL constituent colleges)? First, to raise endowments and come ahead in global and UK rankings. Ranking is a big business now.

The fact is George Soros did attend and study at LSE and as such he was both enrolled at LSE as student and UOL for exams. Without saying his undergraduate, master's and PhD are all from central UOL but now a backdated LSE degree to 2008 is a lie.

As you know English, you still haven't answered my previous question

• a) How did George Soros get a LSE degree in 1950's and 1960's when LSE started its degree from year 2008. Isn't this a blatant fraud and a lie? Why is LSE lying?
• b) How is LSE mentioned in the article and conveniently University of London not even mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.96.202 (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Read the sources. They're right there in the article. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

"He has also donated 64% of his original fortune, making him the most generous giver (when measured as a percentage of net worth)"

Can we clarify that this is among Forbes 400 billionaires? Imagine a recent grad with a zero net worth donating some old clothes to Goodwill...how can anyone beat infinity? 2600:1012:B060:9080:CD14:2257:D22F:4C33 (talk) 19:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Error

There is a mis-date in the paragraph regarding recent right wing attacks on Soros. Date says a 1998 interview, however the referenced articles refer to a 2018 interview date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:87F:5D76:683E:9E48:88D:A3A9 (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Categories overkill

There are too many categories. I'll try to remove the redundant.--Geysirhead (talk) 19:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed --Devokewater 19:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

George Soros is already in George_Soros, which is in Soros_Family. I'll remove Soros_Family.--Geysirhead (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Change http:// URL to official website to https://

Basically just the title. Jkhon0 (talk) 12:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Done. Marquardtika (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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Remove the word "false" from Paragraph 6. This loaded term is used without any attribution or validation. It is strictly an opinion, and has no place in an encyclopedic article. 47.201.41.187 (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: False conspiracy theories are false. It's not opinion and is needed to refute the conspiracy theories to maintain WP:NPOV. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter and the LGBT organization

Why isn’t recognized his relationship with these organizations?? 2600:1700:6580:5230:BC39:D1FA:A37E:53BE (talk) 23:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Provide WP:RS. And what is the LGBT organization supposed to be referring to? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:04, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Not one point is mentioned about his views on India?

Please add a suitable point immediately for I am new to Misplaced Pages and do not know how to add references! Science nerd11112007 (talk) 06:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Request edit to fix offensive image (2023-04-05)

When one's mouse hovers over the term "market fundamentalism" (which appears twice in the section "Political and economic views"), a popup appears with a photo of a housefly on feces. I don't know where/how this image originates (it des not appear in the main article: market fundamentalism) but it needs to be removed, it is offensive and an obvious troll of Misplaced Pages. Jimluschen (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jimluschen: I see no such image on this article, the article market fundamentalism, or anywhere else accessible from this article. Can you provide any more information about how the image appeared? Mindmatrix 20:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh how odd. I see it when not logged in on another browser when I hover over the market fundamentalism link. --jpgordon 02:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

It's the image File:Ch.megacephala wiki.jpg. Cute trick, I wonder what's invoking it? --jpgordon 02:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

yep, turned on page previews here, same thing. I've reported it on WP:VPT. --jpgordon 02:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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Please make two changes:

• ] should become ] UK currency crisis. If just the words are linked, it's clear that this is the article title, but when the whole phrase is linked, it leads the reader to suspect that the crisis has some other, more formal, name.
• By September 16, 1992, the day of ] should have Black Wednesday delinked. The phrase is linked just three sentences earlier.

Thank you. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Xan747 (talk) 01:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Succession and family

Perhaps the most important family news regarding George Soros came out in June and was reported all over the world. Please add something to the article, here is a sample of the press coverage:::

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/12/billionaire-george-soros-confirms-succession-wsj-interview.html 178.190.191.50 (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Recent takeover of the polish newspaper "RZECZPOSPOLITA"

The Soros owned firm "Pluralis" has bought the newspaper RZECZPOSPOLITA, to the dismay of the "FiDESZ" style "PiS" conservatives.

https://wszystkoconajwazniejsze.pl/pepites/firma-george-sorosa-przejmuje-kontrole-nad-dziennikiem-rzeczpospolita/ 2A02:8108:1640:5282:8D8F:7EF3:9E82:7805 (talk) 01:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Views on a one world government

Views on the U.S.- Views on Europe- Views on relations between Europe and Africa- Views on China- Views on Russia and Ukraine-

And yet no bold category stating direct "Views on a one world order"

"Soros' vision of a "New World Order," which he has promoted for years."

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-new-world-order-2011-9?op=1

I came here to read the article as I'm not really aware of who the man is, but the article missing this key point makes it appear Misplaced Pages is falling short of being what I deemed it was, unbiased. RobertFULL30 (talk) 11:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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There should be an addition to say that soros did in fact help confiscate property from jews to help the nazis. Here is a link to the interview where he admitted it: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/arunpudur_in-a-1998-interview-george-soros-admits-to-activity-7045000603265093632-H-yN?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android 2603:7000:1200:F916:2454:3FB4:9873:D22C (talk) 10:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 10:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

"False" Claims

At the bottom of the intro, none of the sources provide evidence that far-right theorists have promoted FALSE claims that characterize Soros as a dangerous "puppet master" behind alleged global plots. There are claims, but they are not verifiably false, and being that the claims themselves have not been verified true or false, perhaps it is best to remove that entire sentence due to being speculative/opinionated. Ainchamama (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

"Smear," "bizarre," and "outlandish" do appear in those sources. No doubt you can find something that covers the "false" if you look around. Acroterion (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Such as Reuters, Fact check: False claims about George Soros – Muboshgu (talk) 17:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Completely agree with @Ainchamama: here. I'd also add that the paragraph itself is unsuited for the intro as it neglects to mention that there are many controversies and legitimate criticisms of Soros that are widespread (and subsequently covered throughout the article). The paragraph is so specific and dismissive of these "far right" criticisms of Soros that it suggests he is merely a charitable philanthropist victim to smears, when the reality is there are many others who are not "far right" who would argue that's far from the truth. I think we should just chuck the whole paragraph and replace it with something like "Soros remains a figure of great controversy, with both his business practices and political funding being the subjected to a mixture of praise and criticism alike. He has been the subject of many conspiracy theories, with many fringe political groups speculating as to the extent of his global influence in geopolitical and economic affairs". --Jkaharper (talk) 23:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

And your source for that paragraph will be? HiLo48 (talk) 01:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

What "legitimate criticisms"? There are none that I am aware of after reading our article (you don't mean Société Générale, do you? One comment made by Paul Krugman?) that would justify such a wishy washy statement in the lead that could appear to give credence to George Soros conspiracy theories. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Well this might be news to you, but when you possess the power to crash a market (or to deepen a crash by betting on it), that has repercussions for national governments and for ordinary people. There's a huge ethical debate on whether that should be possible. Plenty of criticism of him and his practices online if you just look. Try here, here, here, and here. All pass WP:RS and are mainstream sources. --Jkaharper (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Clicked the first link, it starts with New York (CNN) - Elon Musk launched a baseless Twitter attack on George Soros, a frequent target for antisemitic conspiracy theories, accusing the financier of hating humanity days after Soros disclosed having sold off a modest stake in Tesla. It goes on to cite no legitimate criticism of Soros, so an odd choice by you to present this as though it does. In fact it highlights the conspiracy theories... Soros, 92, is a longtime target of right wing conspiracy theorists and of antisemites. He is a prominent contributor to Democratic candidates and liberal causes. Open Secrets, which tracks political contributions, shows he contributed $50 million to the Democracy PAC II Superpac in November, and $125 million in the fall of 2022. He is also founder and the major contributor of the Open Society Foundations, with a stated aim of working for justice, democratic governance, and human rights. It has raised the ire of some authoritarian regimes, including that of Viktor Orban, prime minister of Soros’ native Hungary. Orban is an ally of Russian president Vladimir Putin, accused of his own authoritarian moves in Hungary. Attacks on Soros have increased in recent years alongside a broader increase in incidents of antisemitic attacks. The ADL said that US antisemitic incidents reached their highest level last year since the group began recording them in 1979. Then it continues with the rise of the right-wing on Twitter. The Guardian starts off mentioning unspecified "failures" in their subheading, then declares It is for this reason that Soros’s failures are so telling; they are the failures not merely of one man, but of an entire class – and an entire way of understanding the world. The JC notes that Soros is partisan. Shocker. WP:NEWSWEEK is unreliable and that's noted as an opinion piece written by a conservative, Josh Hammer, again complaining that Soros is partisan.

This isn't news to me. It's not news to anybody. You know what is news to me? You need to brush up on WP:CIVIL. I'm not responding to you again with that tone. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

You don't sound at all unbiased or impartial with how you've approached this conversation alone. This reads like pure apologism for Soros with a touch of temper to boot. Just because you don't think the criticism is valid doesn't mean a Misplaced Pages page, which is by nature supposed to be impartial, should take sides. I would actually say forget the more neutral replacement--which you describe as "wishy-washy"-- and just put nothing there at all for that third paragraph, as it is totally unnecessary. But you give the impression that even just suggesting that will lead to either more anger, or maybe being ignored entirely.

This is very disappointing to see, and Misplaced Pages needs to be held to a higher standard than this. 75.113.98.48 (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

We do take sides. Specifically, the side of reliable sources. We do not engage in false balances EvergreenFir (talk) 18:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep. I was quite calm when I wrote that, by the way. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

There are countless valid criticisms of George Soros and you seem to be using the anti-semetic label to destroy any valid criticism. There are anti-semetic conspiracy theories thst exist around Soros. But there are criticisms as well. AtypicalPhantom (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Please share some of that "valid" criticism. I haven't seen anything but globalist and anti-semetic conspiracy theorizing. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

How 'bout the fact that "Project Death in America" which Soros funds supports euthanasia and assisted suicide? 75.113.98.48 (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

In what way is that criticism? It's a fact, but so what? --jpgordon 18:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You agree it's a fact? Cool. Put it on the page. Don't even need to call it criticism, let folks decide for themselves. Muboshgu thinks it's cool because other people do questionable stuff too, that's perfectly fine. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, so unless something about this fact you acknowledge disturbs you, no reason not to add it, is there? 75.113.98.48 (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You haven't actually read the article, I see. George Soros#Death and dying. --jpgordon 23:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

– Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

They focus on end-of-life issues. One could criticize our society for how we handle terminal illness. We're more humane with our pets in many cases. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, you certainly could criticize that! That's rather the point of criticism, lol. Don't see how that's related. 75.113.98.48 (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)