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	:@] {{tpw}} Perhaps, under your circumstances, you should start out writing a draft, perhaps in ] and then move it to mainspace when you're done, or if you want someone else to check the draft over before it's an article, ]ion. Though I have to agree with Explicit above. Knowing which article we're talking about will help greatly. ] ] ] 06:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)		:@] {{tpw}} Perhaps, under your circumstances, you should start out writing a draft, perhaps in ] and then move it to mainspace when you're done, or if you want someone else to check the draft over before it's an article, ]ion. Though I have to agree with Explicit above. Knowing which article we're talking about will help greatly. ] ] ] 06:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

	== File:V - Fri(end)s.png ==

	Hi Explicit. Would you mind taking a look at ]? It seems like it's at least {{tlx\|PD-ineligible-USonly}} to me per ], but I'm not sure whether it's {{tlx\|PD-shape}}/{{tlx\|PD-logo}} based on ] since that's where ], the label that released "]", is located. -- ] (]) 06:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
	:{{Reply to\|Marchjuly}} Hi, after viewing a of the cover, it seems that even the border design is too complex to qualify for {{tl\|PD-ineligible-USonly}}. ]] 03:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks for taking a look at this. -- ] (]) 08:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Hi, you deleted the page on ] saying you couldn't find any sources, but just a quick search on google scholar finds a few:
	* : The Qur'an school and trajectories of Islamic education {{tq\|A karamogo was an Islamic scholar, a term compounded by the verb "kalan" and noun "mogo". "Kalan" means to read/recite/teach/study while "mogo" means person. A student is called "karamogo den" (lit. scholar child) while a teacher is called "karamogo fa" (lit. scholarly father). A teacher like a father has perpetual authority over his student, one that endures after the student has completed their studies.}}
	* others just mention the term rather than discuss
	] (]) 15:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
	:{{Reply to\|Kowal2701}} Hi, the deletion summary is a copy of the words used by the user who ], not mine. Are you ] the deletion? ]] 03:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Yes, I’ll go through the process, thank you ] (]) 07:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{Reply to\|Kowal2701}} <!-- Begin Template:UND -->] '''Done''' – as a contested ], the article has been restored upon request.<!-- End Template:UND - prod --> ]] 11:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

	== About the categories of North Indian and South Indian descent. ==

	I noticed that you placed a speedy deletion tag on the categories ] and ]. I would like to offer some reasons why these categories should be retained, as they highlight important aspects of diversity within the broader Indian-American community:
	Recognition of Cultural and Regional Diversity:
	India is an incredibly diverse country with distinct regional identities, languages, cuisines, traditions, and cultural practices. Categorizing individuals of South Indian and North Indian descent helps acknowledge these unique aspects within the diaspora, which otherwise might be overlooked in broader, generalized categories.
	Better Representation:
	These categories allow for a more granular understanding of how various communities contribute to American society. For example, South Indian Americans have made significant contributions in fields like technology and classical arts, while North Indian Americans are prominent in areas like politics and Bollywood-inspired media.
	Facilitating Research and Accessibility:
	Scholars, journalists, and readers looking to explore specific contributions or experiences of South Indian or North Indian communities in the U.S. will find such categorization invaluable. It ensures that resources and information are easier to locate and study.
	Reflecting Diaspora Identity:
	Many Indian Americans identify strongly with their regional heritage (e.g., Tamil, Kannada, Punjabi, or Gujarati). These categories validate and reflect the lived experiences and identities of people within the diaspora.
	Consistency with Other Ethnic Subcategories:
	Misplaced Pages frequently recognizes subcategories for other ethnic or national groups, such as ] or ]. The proposed categories are consistent with this practice of nuanced representation.
	I believe these categories enrich Misplaced Pages’s diversity and inclusivity by acknowledging the varied and vibrant backgrounds within the Indian-American community. I hope this perspective provides a reason to reconsider the deletion proposal.
	Looking forward to your response! ] (]) 16:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

	:P.S. Please reply on my talk page. ] (]) 16:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] {{tpw}} I see that you've also put a message on {{U\|Liz}}s talk page. ] ] ] 16:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

	== Close of ] ==

	Does this close prejudice any decision to redirect the subunits to the main article per ]? There were no comments on them to my knowledge and the sources provided in the AfD doesn't provide enough coverage to justify a stand alone article for them. ] (]) 01:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{Reply to\|Traumnovelle}} It would probably be best if you made your proposal on the talk pages of the articles and pinging the AFD participants instead of redirecting them outright. Otherwise, your actions may be viewed as an attempt to circumvent the consensus to keep the articles. ]] 03:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I shall do that, thanks. ] (]) 03:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

	== Delete close but not done? ==

	Hello,

	I see that you closed ] as delete, but it would seem that both of the redirects WP:WHITEWASH and WP:WHITEWASHING still function and have not been deleted yet? Can you please complete the delete. ] (]) 04:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{Reply to\|Kowal2701}} Hi, it's deleted on my side. Maybe ] can do the trick? ]] 11:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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	::Looks like there is no history of them being deleted? Am I missing something ] (]) 12:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{Reply to\|Iljhgtn}} Oh, I see now. Only ] and ] were listed for deletion. ] and ] weren't tagged or mentioned at all. {{U\|George Ho}}, you'll need to follow up on these. I can't delete them out of process as they were never nominated for deletion. ]] 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::What is different with those? Are they not the same? ] (]) 13:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Even so, WP:Whitewash still redirects, when it should not now, correct? ] (]) 13:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

	== Flag photo ==		== Flag photo ==

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Deleted articles

Can I please see the deleted article Pavlos Danelatos. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 02:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I please see the deleted McMahon–Helmsley Faction. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 06:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Please let me see the deleted Alliance to End Hulkamania. Davidgoodheart (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 05:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I please see the deleted Scott Atkinson article. Davidgoodheart (talk) 05:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 05:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I please see the deleted article Kshitij (festival). Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. It is a promotional mess, but perhaps the sources may be of value. ✗plicit 13:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I please see deleted article Roller coaster phobia. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 00:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Please can I see deleted article Hailey Dunn. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: Here it is. ✗plicit 06:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart@Explicit@pavlos_danelatos

Hello brillliant minds - perhaps if you wanted for the page to be complete you'd get the gist of things than just rushing to delete the page with empty content. Unlike most of you lucky chaps in developed countries, I had a power outage before I could even complete the page.

So, if possible, heroes of Misplaced Pages, i would like to finish updating the page and only then can you decide to proceed with the deletion.

I'll wait to hear from you masters of the uniververse.

Cheers. Aatsol2007 (talk) 11:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aatsol2007: Hi, which page are you referring to exactly? ✗plicit 00:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aatsol2007 (talk page watcher) Perhaps, under your circumstances, you should start out writing a draft, perhaps in your userspace and then move it to mainspace when you're done, or if you want someone else to check the draft over before it's an article, through articles for creation. Though I have to agree with Explicit above. Knowing which article we're talking about will help greatly. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag photo

Would you please restore the local version of File:National flag carried by the 2nd Iowa Infantry throughout the Civil War.jpg? It is ineligible for F8, as I requested that the file be {{keep local}} after I took and while I was uploading it. Thanks, — Godsy_CONT) 08:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

The keep local tag was removed by Special:Contributions/188.163.69.47, and on a bunch of other files too. I've reverted the ones that haven't been deleted yet, but most have been. Explicit, since you probably deleted them all (at least, you did for all the ones where I looked at the logs), would you rather I compile a list, or undelete them myself as I find them? —Cryptic 09:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Godsy and Cryptic: Oh, what a naughty IP.

I went through their deleted contributions and found that most of their edits that resulted in subtracted bytes to the page were replacing {{keep local}} with {{mtc}}. I've restored a few more files. ✗plicit 11:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I've restored one more, where {{keep local}} was replaced with {{move to Commons}} and so added bytes instead. —Cryptic 19:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Does being tagged with "keep local" mean that a file can't be moved to Commons? Adding "keep local" seems to just be a request that a local copy be kept, not that the file not be moved to Commons, right? A local file that has the same name as a Commons file will be used on Misplaced Pages (it shadows out the Commons file), but the Commons file can still be used by other WMF projects, right? I'm not suggesting the IP was correct in removing the "Keep local" template, but wondering whether the restored files could still be tagged for a move to Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

{{Keep local}} is a request that a file not be moved to Commons - a move, by definition, means that it won't be in the original place anymore. It can still be copied to Commons. There's a {{copy to Commons}} template specifically for that, though it wouldn't have surprised me if there hadn't been. —Cryptic 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

My bad. I meant "copy" to Commons, but thanks for clarifying. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

This reminds me of a similar problematic IP edit which I spotted in October, see Special:Diff/1253930964. Did the other IP tag any keep local files which have been deleted? --Stefan2 (talk) 14:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
No; their only deleted edits were to File:Archibald Kennedy, 3rd Marquess of Ailsa.jpg, a scaled-down version of c:File:Archibald Kennedy, 3rd Marquess of Ailsa, by Bassano Ltd.jpg that was tagged as non-free. —Cryptic 19:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

BOOM Buster Deletion

I'm the creator of the BOOM! Buster draft. I noticed that you stated that it wasn't confirmed that I made the request for the draft's deletion, so I intend to fix that. I've been meaning to talk to an administrator to delete the draft. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:445:73B5:78DD:4F8A (talk) 01:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf

Hi Explicit. You just deleted "File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf" per Misplaced Pages:Files for discussion/2024 November 26#File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf, but it was shadowing a Commons file uploaded by the same uploader under the same name. The Commons file was actually uploaded after the local file started being discussed at WP:MCQ#File:Florida-Wildlife-Corridor-Map-Corridor-Conserved-Opportunity-Protection-Priorities-1.pdf and concerns were raised about its licensing, but under a different license. Since you're also a Commons admin, perhaps you could advise on the best way to deal with the Commons file. c:COM:CSD#F5? c:COM:DR? -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hi, thanks for pointing that out. I missed that the file was also on Commons. I've tagged it for lacking permission. ✗plicit 11:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look at this. FWIW, I didn't notice it myself until after the local file had been deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Michael Ruetz (1).jpg

Hi Explicit. Could you take a look at File:Michael Ruetz (1).jpg? It looks like the source for the image Welt might be some kind of German commercial photo/press agency based on this, but I'm not sure. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hi, I tracked down the news article, where they cite "dpa/A3818 Klaus-Dietmar Gabbert" as the source. I can't determine if either of them are photo agencies. I did a quick spot check of other articles on the website and they use a mix of images from photo agencies and other sources. ✗plicit 00:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that. Do you think this is OK then per F7? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: This would still technically violate WP:NFCC#1. While WP:NFC doesn't mention this directly (it really should), there is an implicit consensus that the recent death of an individual does not automatically grant a waiver for the replaceability aspect of policy. ✗plicit 03:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's implicitly assumed by many that the moment someone dies doesn't mean WP:FREER it met; a reasonable attempt still is expected to be made t find a free equivalent. Of course, just as many assume otherwise which is why you'll find non-free images sometimes being uploaded the same day some dies. There have numerous discussions about this at WT:NFCC, but they mostly end up getting nowhere because nobody can agree on the meaning of "reasonable attempt" or whether such an attempt is even necessary, and there are different ideas as to whether a bright-line time period after death should be specified or what it should be if one is specified. So, things are sort of stuck with the status quo where such images need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis. For many, the default is a non-free is OK in such cases until a free equivalent shows up regardless, even if there are F7b issues involved. Many, after all, still think "WP:NFC = fair use" and use the terms interchangeably even though that doesn't seem to have ever been intended to be the case or at least not the case since WP:NFCC became policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

C-SPAN screenshots

Hi Explicit. Do you think there's any point in discussing these at FFD or can they be tagged for speedy deletion per F3, F9 or F11? I don't see any way to convert their licensing to non-free per F7 and discussing such a thing is unlikely to change that. I'm sure they were uploaded in good faith, but they're not "PD-USGov" eligible works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hi, the noncommercial disclaimer is a textbook violates of F3, so I have deleted them as such. ✗plicit 03:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at these. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

F3 again

Hi Explicit. Would you mind watching User talk:Chadalvarez2021#File permission problem with File:Screenshot 20241201-173309 YouTube.jpg. These file's most likely qualify for speedy deletion per F3, but I figured I give the uploader a chance to sort things out. If there's no response within a day or so, or they respond negatively, perhaps the files should be deleted per F3. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Kang Ju-hyeok

On 6 December 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kang Ju-hyeok, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Kang Ju-hyeok (pictured) became the youngest player in FC Seoul's history at the age of 17 years, 9 months, and 6 days? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kang Ju-hyeok. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Kang Ju-hyeok), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Arambegama

I saw your edit on Arambegama (as it is still listed as having dab pages), but it appears to have no content after your edit - should it be deleted?— Rod 21:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Rodw:

Done. ✗plicit 00:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Kassia St. Clair

Could I please have a copy of Kassia St. Clair (which you deleted), as I had only recently added a photo to it. Edwardx (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Edwardx: Here's a copy. There isn't much content. ✗plicit 00:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Invicta Old Logo.gif

Why is File:Invicta Old Logo.gif deleted? I have already altered the non-free use rationale to comply with the guidelines? Marcnut1996 (talk) 00:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Marcnut1996: I have restored the image. If Iruka13 wishes to pursue it further, they should go to WP:FFD. ✗plicit 00:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Marcnut1996 (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)