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I think Fall of the Assad regime should be linked to from the word "overthrown." — Knightoftheswords 18:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Linked. Stephen 23:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I think Fall of Damascus should be relinked to Fall of the Assad regime sure it is the battle that ousted Assad (and his dynasty) from power but I think the "Fall of Assad regime" is more fitting. — Rager7 (talk)

overthrown ... flees is excessive, either word alone is enough. Srnec (talk) 20:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Srnec, maybe you have a point but I can't think of a reworded blurb that maintains the link to Fall of the Assad regime. If you can think of a blurb, please post your suggestion here. Schwede66 23:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Simplest way: Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives and overthrow president Bashar al-Assad (pictured). If it is critical to mention Russia, then: Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives, forcing president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) to flee to Russia. Srnec (talk) 02:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Now do it with the existing links. Stephen 02:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to Srnec in case you don't monitor this page. Schwede66 08:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• I agree that the current blurb is overloaded with links. It seems that there wasn't a significant battle for Damascus as Assad jumped before he was pushed and so his regime collapsed without a fight. The bold link therefore ought to be Fall of the Assad regime rather than a battle that didn't happen. The link to the various offensives seems adequate to cover the limited fighting that did happen. A simplified blurb could then be:

• Syrian president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) flees to Russia as his regime collapses following opposition offensives.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

That might be OK, but firstly the linked article has citations needed, and secondly you need to run this past WP:ITN/C as it's a blurb and linked article change not a straight error.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The relevant nomination at ITN/C has been closed, saying that "Further comments about the blurb should be taken to WP:ERRORS," So, that's here. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Support this simplified blurb. Grimes2 (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• that Thomas Sewell attempted to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, into the Lads Society?

The sources makes this very much clear this is a claim from Sewell and not a fact: Traumnovelle (talk) 00:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Changed to:

• ... that Thomas Sewell said that in 2017 he attempted to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, into the Lads Society?

- Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 07:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Abortion in Gabon

• ... that while supporting a law easing restrictions on abortion in Gabon, Prime Minister Rose Christiane Raponda said "it is not yet the right time" for further legalization

"Legalization" is binary: something is either legal or it is not. You can't, therefore, have "further" legalization, any more than something can become "more legal". Suggest "further liberalization". UndercoverClassicist 07:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for bringing that up, UndercoverClassicist. I have removed the phrase "for further legalization" from the abortion in Gabon hook as that qualification is not present in the article. Looking at the history, that qualification hasn't been removed by recent editing either. DYK hooks shouldn't make statements that aren't in the target article. Schwede66 07:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the feminist retelling of stories can focus on previously nonexistent or marginalized female characters?

This seems to go beyond what the article says: "...for example, by focusing on female characters to reflect the feminist perspective; something that has been common for example in recent Disney retellings, such as Maleficent." No mention of "previously nonexistent or marginalized." I'm particularly concerned about the use of "marginalized" - I'm pretty sure "marginal" is what is actually meant (can a character who was marginal in the original story be called marginalized?). But even if we made that change, it's not appropriate for DYK hooks to infer details / reasoning beyond what's in the article.

I also have some concerns about whether this article is ready to be linked from the main page at all. "A properly retold story should convince the reader to see the new version as more correct" is not a sentence that belongs in a Misplaced Pages article even with a hundred citations. The article also feels overall disorganized / somewhat randomly structured and it's concerning that the lead consists of one ungrammatical sentence.

So I would at the very least suggest rewording the hook to something like "...that the feminist retelling of stories can focus on female characters to reflect the feminist perspective?" But my preference would be to not feature this article at all in its current form.

-Elmer Clark (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The Main page says: 1688 – In the only substantial military action in England during the Glorious Revolution, forces loyal to William of Orange were decisively victorious at the Battle of Reading. The Battle of Reading page says: The Battle of Reading took place on 9 December 1688 in Reading, Berkshire. It was one of only two substantial military actions in England during the Glorious Revolution (the other being at Wincanton), and was a decisive victory for forces loyal to William III of Orange.

So, 'only' or 'one of two'?

The Wincanton clash involved about 150 people and killed about 20; we have it named as the Wincanton Skirmish. The Battle of Reading involved about 900 people and killed about the same number. I'll leave it to others to determine whether that's enough of a difference to mark one as "substantial" and the other as not. UndercoverClassicist 07:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I've changed it to read In one of two substantial military actions in England.... Thanks for your report, UndercoverClassicist. Schwede66 08:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The 1848 Napoleon III entry needs to be changed to past tense.:Jay8g 08:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I've tweaked the hook as suggested and made other improvements, too. Schwede66 08:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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