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Update

At least 11 dead, sources report. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/20/germany-magdeburg-christmas-market/?msockid=3ffb1c7b735c6a9409f90eb372756b4f Internationed (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

This is not an official report from a German newspaper that is not reliable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

+1 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Football

Weird heading, I know, @ElijahPepe (tagging you because you're the one I've seen the most of) I've seen some initial reporting from Daily Mail and FootBoom saying that there was a football game between FC Magdeburg and Fortuna Düsseldorf that was in its second half when the attack happened. Reportedly this fact was broadcast in the stadium and seemed to have affected fans on both sides, would it be worth mentioning if/when better sources come in? CommissarDoggo 20:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I would add it to the "Domestic" section as soon as better sources can be found. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I'll keep an eye out. CommissarDoggo 20:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:BRD

@2a02:3038:20a:efe7:b8bb:856d:9672:d927 Would you mind explaining why you believe that an individual being arrested on suspicion of planning an attack against a Christmas market is somehow not relevant to the background of an attack on a Christmas market? CommissarDoggo 21:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's wikipedia, we have to deal with the bias Jjbomb (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's nothing new to Germany. What's new is that the security measures where pretty poor, because every Xmas market is secured with concrete barricades. In this case, they failed. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Of course it is nothing new in germany, the millions of people that have been brought in certainly do not integrate well, and now this attack in a german christmas celebration Jjbomb (talk) 21:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Business as usual. Like school shootings in the US. Do we cite every attempted school shooting in an actual article? 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It may be nothing new, but ultimately that info is about a suspected attack that was supposedly going to be conducted against a Christmas market this year. I fail to see how it's unworthy of note when sources about this attack are mentioning it. CommissarDoggo 21:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

As above. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't address the fact that the arrest was noted by sources directly relating to this attack; if said attempted/suspected school shooting arrests were noted by sources, we would be having this conversation there as well. CommissarDoggo 21:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I see. I guess I pass then. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's relevant at all to this attack. That other attacks were planned is not related until someone specifically says it was related to this event, in something other than just timine. That it's the 8th anniversary of other attacks is random trivia, that other attacks happened is unrelated. A lot of the major sources are rolling back even calling this 'an attack' at this point. I think we need to hold fire until more is know. per WP:NOTNEWS JeffUK 23:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit war

Please be aware of the pending edit war in the article. It is all about this fragment: . Karol739 (talk) 22:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

No need for an edit war. Both cases are connected. Editors should add, that the attacker was a practising psychiatrist. Really strange, since the guy has all the means to calm himself down from a rage. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any source for the information that he was a psychiatrist? Thanks in advance, Karol739 (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's in the article now: The suspect, a consultant for psychiatry and psychotherapy, was recognised as a refugee in 2016. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I've added that. Thanks a lot! Karol739 (talk) 22:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Background

I think the Background section should mention a recent plot related with German Christmas markets: https://www.politico.eu/article/terror-attack-bavaria-christmas-market-foiled-terrorism-isis-islamic-state-extremism-far-right-police/ 31.221.146.133 (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Already discussed above and now re-added to the article as it was mentioned in current sources talking about this attack. CommissarDoggo 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Two more incidents did happen in recent times:

• https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Terroranschlag-auf-Weihnachtsmarkt-geplant-Polizei-nimmt-17-Jaehrigen-in-Elmshorn-fest-article25353789.html
• https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/ein-sturmgewehr-fuer-den-weihnachtsmarkt-110168195.html

This stuff is really business as usual. I'd suggest to add all incidents or leave all out. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Why should we remove that? Regards, Karol739 (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Identity of perpetrator

It's probably him, right? According to Der Spiegel, the perpretator's name is Taleb A: https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/magdeburg-news-autofahrer-faehrt-in-menschenmenge-behoerden-gehen-von-anschlag-aus-a-58a3c255-9a4b-45a8-8e65-8ceac63477cd. Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Why is the perpetrator parameter not added to infobox? 207.96.32.81 (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

"It's probably him, right?" Based on what? You found a random tweet from 2017 with an image of a passport of a guy with the same name? Brandon Downes (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Same name, same age, same nationality. Die Welt also connected this X account to him: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article254939378/Anschlag-auf-Weihnachtsmarkt-Arzt-Islamgegner-seit-2006-in-Deutschland-Das-wissen-wir-ueber-den-Attentaeter-von-Magdeburg.html. Of course we'll have to wait until there is more clarity. However, it's still interesting. Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

If you have enough reliable sources, be WP:Bold and update the infobox. The twitter connection may be WP:Original but the name is widely sourced. 207.96.32.81 (talk) 00:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

It's him: . Saudi atheist, right winger, AfD and Musk fan. 2A02:3038:20A:EFE7:B8BB:856D:9672:D927 (talk) 00:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The driver of the car was subsequently arrested. He was an anti-Christian Muslim. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 00:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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