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| *'''Merge somewhere''': AEW as of late has gone towards adding more subtitles to the weekly shows, but whereas specials such as Blood & Guts or Grand Slam are built like PPVs, the Thanksgiving Eve shows tend to be on the "regular episode with a subtitle bolted on" end of the spectrum. It's a plausible search term, so I'd err against full-scale deletion, but I'm not convinced it was really that special. ''']''' (]) 00:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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No evidence of independent notability for this holiday-special TV episode. JTtheOG (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Wrestling, and Illinois. JTtheOG (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This seems highly superflous, considering all the other years of this event exist in article form I see no reason why this should be any different. I was going to even describe the details of said event in the "Production" section. I really see no reason why this article should be deleted, it serves it's purpose, it's grouped in with the others and every other yearly event associated with it has it's own article. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Using an article from 2006 for a TV show almost 20 yrs later as sourcing isn't showing notability. This is about typical , seems to be a series of tv shows, rather than one special. I don't see anything showing this particular incarnation was very notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing you're not in the wrestling sphere, these are different comapanies with no relation to one another with seperate names and seperate specials. The company that hosted this event isn't even 10 years old. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, 2006 is more than 10 years ago, I don't know what to tell you. Oaktree b (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- All Elite Wrestling, the actual wrestling promotion who hosted the event, was founded in 2019. The event is not connected to the ones from 2006 as they are in a different promotion under an entirely different name. That is a fact and nothing else. Lemonademan22 (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- They are referring to the source in the article being from 2006. JTtheOG (talk) 03:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not understanding. I read the article but how can you connect this special with an unrelated 2006 special that I've never even heard of from a different company? Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- He's saying that somehow the reference used for this article was created in 2006. Realistically that source just says an outline of how wrestling works. It doesn't help push towards WP:GNG and, in this case, show WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't apply. Lee Vilenski 14:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest this article could just be tagged to be worked on and I'd gladly spend more time on it. It doesn't need to be full on deleted. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show that is it a notable event enough to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOTINHERITED not just as a regular Dynamite episode? Lee Vilenski 16:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think I can.
- Firstly, it is the fourth of five specials that has happened since 2019, not counting 2020 as one was not held, and all of them have articles.
- Secondly, it was watched by almost 1 million people alone (Source: ) and broadcast on TBS one of the biggest cable networks in America.
- Thirdly, it was extensivley covered while the action was happening by Bleacher Report (Source ) which is one of the biggest online sports news companies in America also and it was also covered by news outlet Cageside Seats (Source: ), a division of SB Nation, another big American news outlet.
- The evidence in my opinion is clear that this is quite notable, albeit the article does lack secondary sources it would not be an issue to add them as long as the article does not get deleted as I wouldn't be able to then. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- seems like routine content to me. It was watched by almost the exact same amount the week before. Cageside seats and bleacher report are both unreliable sources, but even if they weren't, they also cover most episodes of Dynamite. Lee Vilenski 18:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- And the ratings were actually down from the previous week in the key 18–49 demo. JTtheOG (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because it was before Thanksgiving? Personally I don't see the difference. Lemonademan22 (talk) 23:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Sources, Bleacher Report is a "limited reliable source", CagesideSeats is listed as an unreliable source so that's fine but I was illustrating the point that big news outlets were covering the action and the episode. Lemonademan22 (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- And the ratings were actually down from the previous week in the key 18–49 demo. JTtheOG (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- seems like routine content to me. It was watched by almost the exact same amount the week before. Cageside seats and bleacher report are both unreliable sources, but even if they weren't, they also cover most episodes of Dynamite. Lee Vilenski 18:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show that is it a notable event enough to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOTINHERITED not just as a regular Dynamite episode? Lee Vilenski 16:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh this? That's on every single wrestling article covering a PPV, special episode ect. that's nothing new on Wrestling articles on Misplaced Pages, it's always used. It shouldn't make a difference. If secondary sources are what you want I'll put them on the article and improve it that way than it being deleted. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be what's required. Multiple reliable third party sources talking in depth about the subject that aren't just WP:ROUTINE coverage. Lee Vilenski 16:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest this article could just be tagged to be worked on and I'd gladly spend more time on it. It doesn't need to be full on deleted. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- He's saying that somehow the reference used for this article was created in 2006. Realistically that source just says an outline of how wrestling works. It doesn't help push towards WP:GNG and, in this case, show WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't apply. Lee Vilenski 14:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not understanding. I read the article but how can you connect this special with an unrelated 2006 special that I've never even heard of from a different company? Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- They are referring to the source in the article being from 2006. JTtheOG (talk) 03:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- All Elite Wrestling, the actual wrestling promotion who hosted the event, was founded in 2019. The event is not connected to the ones from 2006 as they are in a different promotion under an entirely different name. That is a fact and nothing else. Lemonademan22 (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, 2006 is more than 10 years ago, I don't know what to tell you. Oaktree b (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing you're not in the wrestling sphere, these are different comapanies with no relation to one another with seperate names and seperate specials. The company that hosted this event isn't even 10 years old. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing in this article suggests that this is, nor the other events are independently notable from the regular Dynamite episodes. Just seems like a regular TV show that has a Christmas themed episode. Lee Vilenski 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No offense, but did you even read the title? It clearly says Thanksgiving. Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure the time of year makes any difference. Lee Vilenski 14:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- American Thanksgiving usually marks the start of the Christmas season if that makes a difference. Oaktree b (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No offense, but did you even read the title? It clearly says Thanksgiving. Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge somewhere: AEW as of late has gone towards adding more subtitles to the weekly shows, but whereas specials such as Blood & Guts or Grand Slam are built like PPVs, the Thanksgiving Eve shows tend to be on the "regular episode with a subtitle bolted on" end of the spectrum. It's a plausible search term, so I'd err against full-scale deletion, but I'm not convinced it was really that special. Sceptre (talk) 00:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)