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New NBA categories

While I have questions if these categories should even exist, the newly-created categories Category:NBA championship-winning players and Category:NBA championship-winning players from Canada need criteria for inclusion added. For example, should it only be for players on the playoff roster? Probably. Thoughts? Rikster2 (talk) 20:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

At minimum they would have to be contracted to the team, i.e. not players who were waived or traded away during the season. For instance, Scot Pollard and Caron Butler were not on their teams playoffs roster but are considered NBA champions. Alvaldi (talk) 20:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

The infobox uses WP:NBARING, which says the player must have been on the playoff roster.—Bagumba (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Why does the special category for Canadian players exist?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Overcategorization? —Bagumba (talk) 06:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Rikster2, @Alvaldi: On a related topic, there was no comment earlier at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_47#NBA_champion_in_infobox:_Two-way_players_and_Avery_Bradley about Avery Bradley in 2020, when he was on the Lakers roster but opted out of the bubble, and two-way players, who are not eligible for the playoffs. —Bagumba (talk) 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd say keep it simple by mirroring the WP:NBARING infobox consensus since that's a clear black-and-white inclusion criteria that also maintains consistency across the project. Anything else would be too subjective and/or create discrepancies, thus opening the door to further editorial disputes. Left guide (talk) 08:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Should be sent to afd Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 18#Category:Super Bowl champions, Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 11#Category:World Series champions.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 12:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  On the contrary, Category:Stanley Cup champions has existed since 2006. Left guide (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  That seems to regularly end with "no consensus". —Bagumba (talk) 15:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERSTUFF-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, I added a discussion on the Talk page about adding inclusion criteria. This needs to be set and then included on the category page to help editors know when to use it. Discussion located here. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Brooklyn Nets location... again

Two discussions were started about location of the Brooklyn Nets – Talk:National Basketball Association#Correct location for Brooklyn Nets and New York Knicks and Talk:Brooklyn Nets#Location. We have been through this many times in the past, but certain editors (old or new) like to come and question longstanding consensus. Your opinions are welcome in any of the new discussions. – sbaio 15:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sbaio, new editors don't know about previous discussions and consensus, which is why the same question arose again. For example, @Oknazevad, pointed out that there was a previous discussion at Talk:Brooklyn_Nets/Archive_1#Home_city_location_for_the_Brooklyn_Nets. How would I or any other editor have known about the existence of this archived discussion? Assadzadeh (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Without opining on the merits, from a procedural standpoint, fragmented discussions are unhelpful in forming consensus. Since this issue appears to affect multiple related articles (at least NBA and Brooklyn Nets), it's best to have a single discussion in a centralized location such as here, and ping everyone involved, which I will do momentarily. Left guide (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Pinging everyone involved in the article talk page discussions who hasn't yet participated here @Alielmi1207, Banan14kab, Bagumba, and Oknazevad:. Left guide (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

We should stick to the already open discussion at Talk:National Basketball Association instead of opening a third one. oknazevad (talk) 01:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide: Thoughts? It did seem like the bulk of the discussion was there. —Bagumba (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

That’s fine. I did not remember even posting about it before in all honesty. We all edit a ton so I don’t know off the top do my head, but will avoid it in the future. Banan14kab (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

List of career wins leaders

I wanted to get the thoughts of other editors here. Should there be an Article on a list of all-time leaders in career wins in both the regular season and playoffs or is that too cherry-picked? Stats for reference: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-wins-by-an-nba-player-in-regular-season-and-playoff Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 04:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It would need to meet WP:LISTN. Statmuse is not reliable per WP:NBASOURCES, but databases are anyways are not used to establish notability. —Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

This became relevant as this is apparently one of those records thay Lebron will inevitably break soon. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders for deletion

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Left guide (talk) 05:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Questionable articles

Hi all. Sushidude21! has recently created List of NBA career personal foul leaders and NBA Player of the Month and Week. Both currently contain minimal trivial sources. In my opinion, Sushidude21! has built a reputation for creating half-baked articles (warned here) across multiple different topic areas. I am not as active in this project anymore, so keen to hear what others think about the above two articles. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

They've since moved the personal foul one to Draft namespace. For POTW and POTM, there was already some mention at List of NBA awards; perhaps merge it if it's going to be a WP:STUB. —Bagumba (talk) 11:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@DaHuzyBru and Bagumba: Coincidentally, several months ago back in June, I created List of NBA career personal fouls leaders as a standalone article. Subsequent consensus deemed Fadeaway World unreliable, so I went ahead and merged it to Personal foul (basketball)#List of NBA career personal fouls leaders in September to spare it from getting axed in an AfD. I did extensive research on this topic at that time, so I highly doubt it passes WP:NLIST unless new sources have been published since I last checked. Left guide (talk) 11:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Note the difference in the title spelling between the new contested draft (which says foul), and the long-standing article/redirect (which says fouls). Left guide (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The list feels like a WP:COATRACK at Personal foul (basketball), a generic basketball page. Seems WP:UNDUE to highlight one league in the world, esp. if the coverage is limited to stats DBs. —Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: You raise some valid points, and hence I don't feel too strongly about its inclusion by this point, so feel free to gut the section if you wish. Left guide (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Boxscore link changes

Hi team, the NBA just modified his internal url link for the boxscores. So, since now the previous one (http://www.nba.com/games/20140615/MIASAS/gameinfo.html) is deprecated and doesn't works. Now they have a new one (https://www.nba.com/game/mia-vs-sas-0041300405/box-score), and I'm not able to see the equivalence. Looks like a random number in the subfix. Any clue on how to fix it or convert this? As you know we have tons of them spread over hundreds of articles, so modifying them without finding a pattern can be a very tedious task... Thanks in advance. Patrickpedia (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT is the inherent problem lurking with using WP:BAREURLs. —Bagumba (talk) 08:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

NBA.com is always tinkering with their player profile links too w/o redirecting. Basketball Reference seems more stable. But again, there's always a risk with bare urls. Could go with citations, where some bot would archive the links. —Bagumba (talk) 09:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Right! So maybe the best way is to use a bot for archive the old ones, but any clue on how to set the new ones? The pattern should be in somewhere... --Patrickpedia (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a particular template that is creating the URL that would need to change? I was just looking at 1999–2000_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season#Game_log, and that's just full urls entered directly by the editor. —Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

That one is using Basketball Reference links and, as u said, are manual urls editions. Same, what I'm refering is i.e check 2014 NBA playoffs boxscore links. These ones are not working anymore and we have a lot. Thanks --Patrickpedia (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Fate of NBA Cup/In-Season Tournament championship game articles

Some of you participated in or are otherwise aware that WP:Articles for deletion/2023 NBA In-Season Tournament championship game just closed with a strong consensus to merge to the parent tournament page. There's similarly still an article for 2024 NBA Cup championship game; should that one also be merged to the parent tournament page? What do folks think? (p.s. Happy Holidays to those who celebrate) Left guide (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging all AfD participants @Benison, Esolo5002, Alvaldi, H-Hurry, Reywas92, Rlendog, Bagumba, Conyo14, and SportsGuy789: Left guide (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Left guide, Kindly nominate it for AfD with proper rationale if you think it isn't mainspace worthy, rather than carpet pinging everyone involved in the discussion. Any decision regarding the merge or deletion can be taken at AfD. Thanks. — Benison (Beni · talk) 14:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• I was just going to do a bold redirect based on the results of that AFD personally. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Seems reasonable. I don't see why 2024 would be an exception. —Bagumba (talk) 15:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree. As long as the edit summary for the 2024 merged content refers to the 2023 AfD link, that should suffice IMO. SportsGuy789 (talk) 19:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  I concur. Conyo14 (talk) 22:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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