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	::::::I also believe that my extended map does a better job at illustrating the extent of Germany (even if it's relatively smaller) from the minimap in the top left corner, which also shows another territory not in the original map, being the (disputed) territory of New Swabia in Antarctica.		::::::I also believe that my extended map does a better job at illustrating the extent of Germany (even if it's relatively smaller) from the minimap in the top left corner, which also shows another territory not in the original map, being the (disputed) territory of New Swabia in Antarctica.
	::::::Either the current map should be replaced with the extended map, or replaced with ] (]) 17:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)		::::::Either the current map should be replaced with the extended map, or replaced with ] (]) 17:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Indeed, you, as the author of the map, articulate this point here better now than I initially did above. My comment about your original rationale addressed another user's counterarguments rather than directly evaluating the the rationale itself. In responding to those counterarguments, I attempted to frame my argument differently while also responding to the users "conquests" comment which i originally used your rationale but was but the point was lost, hence my comment. Thank you for clarifying and reinforcing the central issue here. ] (]) 18:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)		:::::::Indeed, you, as the author of the map, articulate this point here better now than I initially did above. My comment about your original rationale addressed another user's counterarguments rather than directly evaluating the the rationale itself. In responding to those counterarguments, I attempted to frame my argument differently while also responding to the users "conquests" comment which i originally used your rationale but was but the point was lost, making me question the rationale hence my comment. Thank you for clarifying and reinforcing the central issue here. ] (]) 18:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Soviets should be mentioned in the first-paragraph synopsis

The thing is that the Western Allies (unfortunately) weren't able to reach Berlin before the Soviets (which were technically in cooperation with the Western Allies, but Stalin had other ideas for postwar Europe) got there first. 149.50.160.192 (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Why is this relevant? Slatersteven (talk) 13:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

RfE 19 November 2024

According to these sources the Third Reich had a population of 86,755,281 in 1939, that is, including the annexation of Bohemia. Mr. Maralago pawn (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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Mark Harrison, ed. (1998), "The Economics of WWII"., Cambridge University Press
Statistisches Jahrbuch für das Deutsche Reich, 1919–1941/42

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Add pronunciation example: Flame, not lame 💔 (Don't talk to me.) 15:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Not done: I think the vast majority of people know how to pronounce the two words here, and per MOS:PRON, Pronunciation should be indicated sparingly, as parenthetical information disturbs the normal flow of the text and introduces clutter. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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in the into of the article it says "transforming it into a totalitarian dictatorship" with both words totalitarian and dictatorship redirecting to totalitarianism. there should be two separate links totalitarian which redirects to the page totalitarian, and dictatorship which redirects to the page dictatorship NossonLA (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Per WP:SOB, different links should not be placed next to each other. cyberdog958 03:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

but it shouldn't be "transforming it into a totalitarian dictatorship" because its redirecting to the wrong page

so it should either be "totalitarian dictatorship" or totalitarian dictatorship" NossonLA (talk) 01:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

If you follow the link to Totalitarianism, there's Hitler's picture as an example of totaliarianism. Totalitarianism is a form of dictatorship. So I think we are okay. Diannaa (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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I want to have the tophat show that it links to the Reich disambiguation page rather than looking like it just links to Reich. I wouldn't have a problem with this is the disambiguation page is just called "Reich", but since there is already a page named "Reich", the disambiguation page is known as "Reich (disambiguation)". Therefore, to show the actual link, I want the tophat to change from

{{redirect2|Drittes Reich|The Reich|the 1923 book|Das Dritte Reich{{!}}''Das Dritte Reich''||Reich (disambiguation){{!}}''Reich''}}

{{redirect2|Drittes Reich|The Reich|the 1923 book|Das Dritte Reich{{!}}''Das Dritte Reich''||Reich (disambiguation)}}

{{redirect2|Drittes Reich|The Reich|the 1923 book|Das Dritte Reich{{!}}''Das Dritte Reich''||Reich (disambiguation){{!}}''Reich'' (disambiguation)}}

which changes

"Drittes Reich" and "The Reich" redirect here. For the 1923 book, see Das Dritte Reich. For other uses, see Reich.

"Drittes Reich" and "The Reich" redirect here. For the 1923 book, see Das Dritte Reich. For other uses, see Reich (disambiguation).

"Drittes Reich" and "The Reich" redirect here. For the 1923 book, see Das Dritte Reich. For other uses, see Reich (disambiguation).

respectively, to show what it actually links to. Al ten do 00:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been a week... so response? Al ten do 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Done Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Change Map

The current map abruptly cuts off, which is not standard practice on Misplaced Pages. I realize now that simply copying and pasting User:Qbox673's rationale doesn't reflect my actual point. My concern isn't about 'conquests' but rather about presenting complete maps—otherwise, what's the purpose of listing occupied territories? If the focus is on the Reich alone, one could simply use the second map already included in the infobox. Before anyone suggests "well that's it, isn't it? it's about the FOCUSING of the reich as opposed to only showing the reich!", please revisit what I've written here in this thread. My main issue is with the incomplete representation, not the focus itself.

The current map on the left, versus User:Qbox673's proposed map on the right. Yes i notice the part on france is wrong, however this is not my point either, since am not reverting my change back, anyone who agrees and knows how to edit svg files could simple fix that.

Gooduserdude (talk) 14:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It does not cut off any of the German Reich, the subject of the articel. Slatersteven (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

i never said it cuts of the reich, i said the map cuts off. Gooduserdude (talk) 14:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

And this article is about the Reich, not maps that show the Reich, so the fact the map cuts off is irrelevant, as it is being used to show the Reich, not Europe. Slatersteven (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

then i assume you would remove that map or create a map that just does that, which only shows the reich otherwise whats the point of showing the reich as you put it? you wouldn't do that nor would i but this contradicts your argument then. Gooduserdude (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

No, as the map we have show the relationship within the context of its neighbors, but not Europe as a whole, your proposed map makes the Reich too small, and this may not be useful to illustrate its extent. Or it's position to its neighbors. I have had my say, and its now tike for others to chip in.Slatersteven (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Gooduserdude's point in that the current map's size is good at showing Germany's size alone, but because the map also shows its occupations, an effort should be made to include all occupations on the map. I hold the belief that if a map highlights a territory, but doesn't show all of it, then it's a bad map and should be changed.

I also believe that my extended map does a better job at illustrating the extent of Germany (even if it's relatively smaller) from the minimap in the top left corner, which also shows another territory not in the original map, being the (disputed) territory of New Swabia in Antarctica.

Either the current map should be replaced with the extended map, or replaced with this map featuring no military occupations. Qbox673 (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, you, as the author of the map, articulate this point here better now than I initially did above. My comment about your original rationale addressed another user's counterarguments rather than directly evaluating the the rationale itself. In responding to those counterarguments, I attempted to frame my argument differently while also responding to the users "conquests" comment which i originally used your rationale but was but the point was lost, making me question the rationale hence my comment. Thank you for clarifying and reinforcing the central issue here. Gooduserdude (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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