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Where is graceland at ?? And what does it represent?

Its a US National Landmark somewhere near Dollywood. 72.131.106.215 03:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Graceland is nowhere near Dollywood. They are at opposite ends of a very long state. Graceland is in Whitehaven, a very poor African-American neighborhood in Memphis. The area was a predominantly white suburban community in the 1950s, but it has been "economically depressed" to quote the article, for about thirty years now. Please do not form your opinions about Memphis based upon the blighted condition of Whitehaven. All cities have such blighted areas.

...and please do not form your opinions on Whitehaven based on your implication that the area became "economically depressed" only after black people moved in, changing it from a "predominantly white suburban community". -- Jalabi99 16:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I visited Graceland with my Father several months ago which got me interested in Presley. The area didn't seem that bad at all. I spoke to one of the tour operators and she mentioned that most of the staff at Graceland are made up of people from the Whitehaven area. Graceland is an important employer in the area and they seem very protective of it. Lochdale 02:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Elvis's death

Here is what reputed Elvis biographer Peter Guralnick says about Elvis's death at Graceland:

The only thing that appeared to have been missed, aside from the empty syringes, was the book that Elvis had in the bathroom with him when he died, a study of sex and psychic energy that correlated sexual positions with astrological signs. Warlick found a stain on the bathroom carpeting, too, that seemed to indicate where Elvis had thrown up after being stricken, apparently while seated on the toilet. It looked to the medical investigator as if he had "stumbled or crawled several feet before he died." ... nine pathologists from Baptist cond acted the examination in full knowledge that the world was watching but that the results would be released to Elvis' father alone. ... Francisco announced the results of the autopsy, even as the autopsy was still going on. Death, he said, was "due to cardiac arrhythmia due to undetermined heartbeat." ... But there were in fact at that time no results to report. The autopsy proper went on for another couple of hours. Specimens were collected and carefully preserved, the internal organs were examined and the heart found to be enlarged, a significant amount of coronary atherosclerosis was observed, the liver showed considerable damage, and the large intestine was clogged with fecal matter, indicating a painful and longstanding bowel condition. The bowel condition alone would have strongly suggested to the doctors what by now they had every reason to suspect from Elvis' hospital history, the observed liver damage, and abundant anecdotal evidence: that drug use was heavily implicated in this unanticipated death of a middle-aged man with no known history of heart disease who had been "mobile and functional within eight hours of his death." It was certainly possible that he had been taken while "straining at stool," and no one ruled out the possibility of anaphylactic shock brought on by the codeine pills he had gotten from his dentist, to which he was known to have had a mild allergy of long standing. The pathologists, however, were satisfied to wait for the lab results, which they were confident would overrule Dr. Francisco's precipitate, and somewhat meaningless, announcement, as indeed they eventually did. There was little disagreement in fact between the two principal laboratory reports and analyses filed two months later, with each stating a strong belief that the primary cause of death was polypharmacy, and the BioScience Laboratories report, initially filed under the patient name of "Ethel Moore," indicating the detection of fourteen drugs in Elvis' system, ten in significant quantity. Codeine appeared at ten times the therapeutic level, methaqualone (Quaalude) in an arguably toxic amount, three other drugs appeared to be on the borderline of toxicity taken in and of themselves, and "the combined effect of the central nervous system depressants and the codeine" had to be given heavy consideration. See Peter Guralnick, Careless Love:The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999), pp.651-652. Onefortyone 19:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Visitors

The trivia section states that it's the 2nd most visited residence. However, earlier in the article it lists 600,000 annual visitors. The article on the Biltmore Estate gives a figure of a million for that house. Does anyone have a citation for the "second most visited" claim? 72.196.104.129 01:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits

I've taken out trivial matters such as whether Presley shared a bed or not with anyone. This is an article about Graceland. Further, what is material like that doing in this article? I don't understand the reasoning here. Also commentary at the opening, regarding whether it is notable or not to be listed as a National Historic landmark is also trivial and commentary. I welcome any criticism and any help in perusing this article and making it NPOV and encyclopedic. Thanks. --Northmeister 22:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

You are talking about making the article NPOV and encyclopedic. Therefore, it is very interesting that you first removed this passage claiming that the commentary was "not appropriate for opening" in order to substitute this one concerning Bush and Koizumi's visit in its stead. Then you mangled some direct quotes by removing these passages from the article. As the quotes give some lively statements about Graceland from different points of view I have reincluded them. Onefortyone 23:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to learn to assume good faith towards other editors and to stop inundating articles about men you dislike with trivial nonesense. You've been warned about this and your editing patterns before. --Northmeister 23:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not think that removing all quotes that may include some critical remarks concerning Graceland and only including material that praises the National Historic Landmark is in line with NPOV. Onefortyone 23:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Do we need these edits?

This article is about Graceland and not directly about Elvis. It should state the facts of this estate, its history - its archetecture - 'notable events' that took place there and what Elvis liked most about the home. Trivial matters like below strike me as out of place for this article:

• There was some discord between Elvis and his stepmother Dee at Graceland, however, and Elaine Dundy said "that Vernon had settled down with Dee where Gladys had once reigned, while Dee herself - when Elvis was away - had taken over the role of mistress of Graceland so thoroughly as to rearrange the furniture and replace the very curtains that Gladys had approved of." This was too much for the singer who still loved his deceased mother. One afternoon, "a van arrived ... and all Dee's household's goods, clothes, 'improvements,' and her own menagerie of pets, were loaded on ... while Vernon, Dee and her three children went by car to a nearby house on Hermitage until they finally settled into a house on Dolan Drive which ran alongside Elvis's estate."

• According to the singer's cousin Billy Smith, Elvis spent the night at Graceland with Smith and his wife Jo many times: "we were all three there talking for hours about everything in the world! Sometimes he would have a bad dream and come looking for me to talk to, and he would actually fall asleep in our bed with us."

These two edits don't fit with the articles intentions - an encyclopedic presentation of the estate Graceland once occupied by Elvis Presley. Instead they relate to non-notable trivial matters that though interesting have no place in the article. Further quotations are tricky - they leave certain impressions that may be out of context like the second one - especially as it was originally worded and added by the same editor that undid credible edits in line with 'featured' articles and other estates like "Monticello". But, this has become a pattern unfortunately for Misplaced Pages with this editor. --Northmeister 23:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

These are some nice quotes from reputed authors and eyewitnesses that give a lively impression of what has happened at Graceland. Onefortyone 23:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

What makes them notable enough and relevant for an article on the estate of Graceland? They are trivial and non-related to the structure itself - but Elvis's life. --Northmeister 23:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Elvis lived at Graceland and these quotes clearly refer to Graceland and the people living there. They are part of the estate's history. What is missing is a section including some critical remarks about the Elvis cult at Graceland, as there are many critical voices to be found. Onefortyone 23:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Your blank reverts and your false claim in the edit summary that my changes were done "without discussion" clearly reveal your actual intentions. See , . Onefortyone 00:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

"Elvis cult"? Your editing patterns serve one purpose - DISRUPTING TO MAKE A POINT - over and over again. You need to learn good manners. I kept quote one above out of respect and assuming good faith towards yourself - and in the Elvis Presley article I did the same with some trivial and questionable material. Instead of discussing my edits - you assumed bad faith on my part; and reverted my entire efforts towards clean-up and making this article look and feel like other 'good' and 'featured' articles do. Unfortunately you have a history of doing this with Elvis Presley and other articles - adding trivial, dubious, incorrect quotations, over and over again - filling up an article to the breaking point. You need to learn to summarize material. I wanted so mucht to work with you cordially, but I see that is impossible, as you seem to have some sort of agenda as with your statement "Elvis cult" which defames millions of people. It shows your intentions here. --Northmeister 00:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

A Misplaced Pages article on Elvis, Graceland etc. is not a fan site. You are falsely claiming that I am adding incorrect quotations. Would you please provide evidence for your false claim. My quotes are accurately cited. As everybody can see, it is clearly your intention as an Elvis fan to exclude specific material from the article. This is not O.K. Onefortyone 00:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

One again, assumption of bad faith. --Northmeister 00:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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