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Rain gauge

Have a look at what I put. I'm hoping that way it's up to the reader to decide who invented the first proper one. Sorry about the confusion before. There had been a major edit war over the Korean/Indian invention and I thought it was starting up again. There were no sources before to indicate that the Indian gauge was anything more than just ordinary bowls without any sort of standardisation. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's good to get something solved quickly. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo image

Please see my comment at Image talk:Gogu-map.png. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Responded there, thanks for the comments. Komdori 17:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

true combat elite

do you play true combat elite?

I used to play it. Good friend100 22:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

block

when did I attack others. Good friend100 22:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Repeatedly saying someone is "wimpy" and "pathetic" is a personal attack. Komdori 22:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

the Infobox

Nonetheless, I think using the map you created in the infobox is doing disservice to the integrity of the article by bringing modern poltiics to the main content. Removing "Korean" is enough of a compromise. Cydevil38 23:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You would rather have no one know where the kingdom was? Komdori 23:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Go see the map again. It does include modern constructs that people are familiar with. Cydevil38 00:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Most people don't know where the boundaries are. We need them overlayed, as most people have no clue how far up Korea goes. Komdori 00:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo is a historic article on Goguryeo, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea, not modern-day boundaries of Korea or China. The map also provides modern constructs that people are familiar with, and if people are curious about modern political boundaries, they can check with respective modern states or just scroll down to modern politics, where the map with modern political boundaries are appropriately shown. Cydevil38 00:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

So having non-intrusive lines that would instantly help others know where the kingdom is would be unacceptable? Instead, you'd like a blob that is useless to the majority of readers--I am trying to assume good faith here, but you've broken 3RR by reverting to your versions 5 times today, and you seem to like a version that would not let people know exactly how much of the country was in China and how much was in Korea. Komdori 00:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Are modern political boundaries so improtant in understanding the history of this kingdom? I'm using a map based on history. You're using a map based on modern political boundaries. Now, you tell me which one is more appropriate for an article on a historic kingdom. And those are two separate pages. Reverts don't add up like that, not to mention they don't even add up to five reverts. Cydevil38 00:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I made a map based on the historical boundaries that shows the current boundaries as well to help people see where it is. The reverts are to the same page, infoboxes are on the same page. Komdori 00:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll propose a compromise shortly. And if those were actually on the same page, they would've been in the same reverts. Cydevil38 00:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I've attempted to add dotted lines of modern political boundaries to the historic map, along with name of modern states(South Korea, North Korea, People's Republic of China, etc) in smaller font on those boundaries, but I don't have the necessary tools to do so at the moment. I'll make one later on. As for the map you created, I don't think its usage is appropriate, as political characterization is too prominent. Cydevil38 00:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want to use an old map, the only way for it to be appropriate is to also include surrounding entities that are not of the three kingdoms of korea. Komdori 01:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh no

You didn't bug me. :) If there is a question on an action I've taken, I'd always prefer that it be asked. --Woohookitty 13:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image:Northport0491.jpg

When I came across that image, I noticed the {{Non-free game screenshot}} fair use template. While that in and of itself doesn't always a good description of fair use, I looked at its usage within the article, and it seems to be well justified in my opinion. If you disagree with me, you are more than welcome to tag it as a disputed fair use and put it up for deletion again, and I won't dispute that. It was just my personal interpretation of the situation. As I delete hundreds of images a day, this one was fairly routine to me, so I don't have any special attachment to it. Regards, ^demon 19:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Turtle Ship

The claim that iron cladding on the turtle ship is controversial is a personal opinion that is not referenced. Whoever made that initial edit fraudulently used references to portray claims of iron cladding as being controversial. However, the actual cited sources says nothing of the sort. Under WK:A personal opinions are inappropriate and the text of the article should accurately reflect what the referenced source actually states. The main article that is the source for all the Korean and Japanese quotations on turtle ship's iron cladding comes from Prof. Park/Pak/Bak's article in some SNU journal. If you read the article, you'll see that the article doesn't mention anything about a supposed "controversy" but rather assumes iron cladding on the turtle ship. Please check the references yourself if you're interested.melonbarmonster 21:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked over your compromise. I've already compromised by not inserting my personal opinion and commentary. I deleted the personal commentaries and opinions and have left the primary quotations(all of which are from Prof Bak's article) as is without commentary or opinion. Lactose and other trolls on the other hand are insisting on peppering the whole article about there being no evidence for iron cladding. Such personal opinions are violation of WP:A and WP:or. The referenced articles also mention NOTHING about any doubts on iron cladding. I'm going to leave it for now but am going to change it back unless someone gives some references about this supposed "controversy".melonbarmonster 05:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I've left a final request for references regarding doubts or referenced "controversy" about iron cladding on the turtle boat. It's my hope that those who offer no references will not instigate another revert war. If you have the time and interest, I would appreciate your investigation and commentary on the matter.melonbarmonster 17:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Saw your comment. I'll propose sentences that need to be changed but for now I want to give some time before we go ahead with the edit process for people to come up with additional references and sources.melonbarmonster 18:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation

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Thanks!

Armed Blowfish and Daniel Bryant, 07:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Rusk documents

Hi Komdori, sorry to revert you on the Rusk documents, but even your modified version of the claims about Korean independence is pretty far out there. I left a note on the talk page. --Reuben 16:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It's fine, I'm not reverting back on you, just read the response I left, we'll figure it out there. Komdori 16:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

ANI post

What's up? --Iamunknown 23:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Bizarre! It didn't warn me there was an edit conflict, and I'm sure I didn't delete the text. I'm sorry about that, if it was somehow my fault it was purely unintentional. Komdori 23:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a known bug in the software. I see it about once a week. It happens typically with the last section, when someone adds a new section using the "edit section" feature, and the edits are close to simultaneous. It only seems to happen on large, i.e. long pages with many sections. Antandrus (talk) 23:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Whew, had me worried I was going bonkers. Komdori 23:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know ... the first time I unintentionally blew away someone else's post, I got yelled at ... but then I started to notice it was a pattern.  :) Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey

No, I posted a reply to your reply afterward. You failed to answer that. I think I have a more accurate picture of the timeline.

I would have normally refrained from "accusing" you, however, I was already pissed at Jjok for not replying to my comments & I sure didn't want to let that happen again. (Wikimachine 01:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

It's not really correct.... This is not a chat service. You said I didn't respond to the comment you left after my change, but it was less than 10 minutes. Leave a good 24 hours (or more) before saying someone doesn't respond. Anyway, I understand how tensions run high, though, especially on an article like this, so no big deal.

--Cheers, Komdori 14:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, thanks for your kindness. By the way, does Komdori mean something? (Wikimachine 20:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

Yes, it's what my wife calls me. Aren't you Korean?

--Cheers, Komdori 20:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Komdori means "bear" or "teddy bear" in Korean, Wikimachine. Good friend100 22:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I never knew that. I left Korea when I was young. I'll make sure to remember that. That's real cute. (Wikimachine 23:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

Heheh, you know, it's a lot harder to argue with you guys when I see some "human" side. Probably if I happened to know you in person we get along well. Some people are obvious jerks or have a very pointed agenda, but even though I know both of you (Wikimachine and Goodfriend) have disagreed (sometimes a lot) with me in the past, you are two of the good ones. And Goodfriend, I see you said you might leave Misplaced Pages soon. Even though it means your vote will sometimes cancel mine, I hope you stay. You have a lot to offer. Anyway, enough kind words for now, or we cannot argue with each other at all ;)

--Cheers, Komdori 23:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Every Wikipedian has their soft side. I'm only leaving Misplaced Pages because of school, not because I hate it or something. Good friend100 23:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Heheh I'm not so sure, some seem pretty hard all around. Anyway, don't be disheartened by Misplaced Pages in general. You mention that people chip away at the quality. This might be true, but then one editor comes along and can fix all of it and more. Two steps forward, one step back still means progress.

As for your school, it comes and goes in terms of workload. I hope you can contribute when the workload is light. And I noticed you had an issue with math, I used to tutor math for kids in cram school and later, too. So if you have a question on homework send an email. Just don't send me an email about something controversial and then no problem ;) To bring this back to Misplaced Pages, I just hate to see an editor who spends time to contribute go. Just keep checking in when you can.

--Cheerks, Komdori 00:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Onishi

The linguisitics professor's blog is considered self-published material that's unacceptable as citation material. The NYT articles that you're complaining I deleted were Norimitsu articles that Jjok is using to expound his personal opinions. That last sentence, "Most of his article are about Korea or accusation of Japan rather than current aspects of Japan" is just personal opinion and should be deleted.melonbarmonster 01:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Korean Assassins

This is a bogus category created by Japanese POV trolls. There is no sane reason to justify your reverting back this bogus category.melonbarmonster 01:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see the following categories that are more well developed. Can you explain why you feel Koreans should be excluded?

• Category:American assassins
• Category:Dutch assassins
• Category:French assassins
• Category:Israeli assassins
• Category:Italian assassins
• Category:Japanese assassins
• Category:Russian assassins
• Category:Spanish assassins

Komdori 02:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Korean POV pushing

All your edits are anti-Korean and inflammatory POV pushing. Your edits are never substantial inclusions of published facts but made up of mostly reverts and POV edits. If you don't know the facts about issues, don't make edits. Additionally please stop interfering with my edits. Thanks.melonbarmonster 02:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Please assume good faith and remain civil. I explained the change to you on your talk page. While you are apparently assuming everyone is out to get you, the reality is that there are many other assassins by nationality as well. Komdori 02:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)