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Business trip

I am now back from my trip. If I miss replying to a message, it's now because I'm excruciatingly busy at work, rather than because I am out of town.

-Ten, 6 April 2005

Tell me if I do something stupid.

It has come to my attention that the Talk link in my signature was nonfunctional for some time, possibly since its creation. Now that it's working, please tell me if I screw up anything else.

Thank you. (Special thanks to Rholton for mentioning the problem.)

Welcome notice from Flockmeal commented out

Aereosynchronous orbits

Note that areosynchronous != areostationary the last time I checked (and it was well before Dec 2004). Nothing is as simple as it seams. Please be careful with such quick fixes.

Cheers, ---0.39 22:57, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Coopetition

Thank you for your kind words on coopetition—I'll see if I can find a source for the earlier writer's comment about Taylor and incorporate Noorda. Stombs 08:56, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Your comments on WP:VFD/Operating system advocacy

Iasson has an RfC running against him. While I and apparently many others are as frustrated with him as you seem to be, it's not at clear that he's acting in bad faith. Of particular note is that English is not his first language. If, as it seems, he's acting in good faith, then a deep breath and some comments at the RfC are the way to go. On the other hand, if he's just trolling, then responses like yours are exactly what he's after. —Korath (Talk) 21:58, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

Consensus Science

Hi. Could you take a look at the recent edits I made to consensus science and consider changing your merge/deletion vote? I believe the new version more accurately describes the clear divide between the two concepts, and adheres more closely toward NPOV. Thanks. — Cortonin | Talk 09:25, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Niles Eldredge

'Directly'? 'Lifted'? My good man, what are you saying? However, thank you for the URL to Eldredge's own web site. I could find no reference anywhere to his DoB, but you supplied a suitable source of information! :)

I've shined it up a bit, explained some stuff in simpler terms, and removed the reference to Eldredge's eternal battle with the Creationists, as it's not very interesting. Toodle-ooh. sugarfish 23:59, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

Chechnya issue

Thanks for a piece of advice.

Although, I think the dispute this way only widened to the new space of Wiki. I don't quite think the opponents are about to agree even on the determination of the nature of this so called dispute. BBC viewpoints

Just compare:Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment

My explanatory text: The other Wiki's Chechnya articles are related to this one. The Article 'Second Chechen War' and the impartial Analyses and Reports resume deserves professional writing due to the sensitive political situation and Genocide topically on the spot.

Pnikolov's invert: NPOV and inclusion dispute.

Topically, who's to tell how to write NPOVwise about such as evidently imminent state terrorism and genocide among one minor defenceless people?--BIR 07:36, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page

Hello! Regarding my tagging, I probably had just then tagged several obvious GFDL's and automatically tagged it as one. On the router bits, I could have easily doen a replacement in Microsoft Word, and the description made it look homemade. Thanks, Bart133 (t) 01:27, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VFD questions

Hi, TenOfAllTrades-- You asked a few questions on the VFD page for my Misplaced Pages entry. I'm responding here rather than there because it doesn't really seem appropriate for me to participate directly in the debate any more than I already have. Feel free to repost any of the following or to ignore it completely, as you deem fit.

• " How many episodes of Dennis Miller Live did he write? Was he a significant contributor?"
  • I was a staff writer on the show from Jan 2000-August 2003. I was part of a team of 8-10 staff writers (depending on the season), which collectively wrote every one of the 75 episodes during those three years.
• "Is he a Joss Whedon, or anything close?"
  • If by "a Joss Whedon," you mean "a guy with the initials JW who has written for TV," then the answer is unquestionable "Yes." For pretty much any other interpretation of "a Joss Whedon," the answer is "Dear God, no." Whedon is a one of the greatest TV writers in the history of the medium, and I have a feeling he is ultimately going to be remembered as a major writer/director. I, on the other hand, am basically just some guy who writes for a living. Whedon is unquestionably notable enough for inclusion; whether I am depends on your definition of "notable," and I'm probably a borderline case either way.

I am an idiot

I just realized I wrote "August 2003". I meant "August 2002." My apologies. --Jacobw 18:47, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

category:VFD votes

Thanks for your comments. I have heeded them. I posted a reply on my talk page, and would appreciate your additional feedback.

By the way, your sig's talk link does not work properly. Did you customize it? -Rholton 16:22, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Policy consensus

Hi there! Regarding your comment on the 'little boxes' item on VfD-talk... of course you can start a policy consensus article! As can anyone else, if they think they have a VfD-related matter that bears discussion. Radiant! 19:11, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

• Ok, I found it and voted on it. Compliant with the vote on Tally Boxes, I've added a category about dealing with violators of policy. Radiant! 21:24, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for the Iceberg!

Hi! Thank you very much for your Iceberg of Cool Reason! I'm glad you liked my little rant on the VfD page. And the award itself is a brilliant idea on your part; I hope that it will be an inspiration to many future receipients. I for one will carry on the tradition of the Iceberg with fiery icy zeal! Cheers. --Plek 19:32, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandalized VfD

Good catch on that VfD. I'll change the result to DELETE right away. That'll teach me to assume that the votes I see are the votes that were cast. ;) I'll make a strong effort to investigate the votes more in the future. Thanks! Carrp | Talk 02:12, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

GRider

Regarding GRider's 'Socratic' VfD nominations and the ensuing reactions by voters, please read and comment on Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/GRider2. Thanks. Radiant_* 10:26, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi, this is just to thank you for supporting my adminship nomination. I really appreciate it. Best, SlimVirgin 00:15, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion vote aimed at me

Sorry to hear that you think that my biography at http://en.wikipedia.org/Robert_Broughton is unworthy of publication. I think that I've had a worthwhile and interesting life. I may be biased in this regard, but I know that there are other people who feel the same way.

Of greater importance is the "equal time" issue. If you're going to list one candidate in a political race, you're obligated to list them all. Otherwise, you risk being branded as one of those people who believe that only incumbents are entitled to win elections. And, there are plenty of people on this planet who believe that I'm more significant than Joyce Murray. If you don't believe this, I can ask a few of them to post comments in this space.

Hello Robert.

I'm pleased to see a wired and intelligent political candidate who is willing to contribute to Misplaced Pages. Regarding your comments on my talk page about the potential deletion of the article Robert Broughton, I have a few thoughts.

• First and foremost, it's nothing personal. The deletion vote isn't aimed at you, per se, it is about the article. It may seem a fine distinction, but it is an important one here. Many--perhaps even most--people have had worthwhile and interesting lives, and I hope you don't see the deletion discussion as passing judgement in that regard. (I think that my life has been interesting and worthwhile, too.)
• Under almost all circumstances, one should refrain from creating an autobiographical page. It is very difficult to write such an article from a neutral point of view, and such articles are often perceived as vanity pages. Pages written by candidates for political office are a particularly touchy subject, since such pages can be perceived as self-promotion.
• We are building an encyclopedia, not a general knowledge base. Candidates for office—perhaps regrettably—often aren't notable in an encyclopedic sense until they win an election.

I would urge you to establish a username on Misplaced Pages (it's quick and painless, and the button is right at the top of the page) to make communication easier. Cheers, --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 15:24, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ella Peterson

• Thanks for the kind happy positive response to my curmudgeonly VfD vote on Ella Peterson. I'll refrain from offering guidance on where to direct the emoticons referenced therein. If everyone deleted roughly from behind, nobody would want to submit articles, no doubt. Barno 15:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Modifications to your arbitration evidence

Hi, TenOfAllTrades:

FYI, I believe GRider has modified your evidence in the Request for Arbitration involving him. See this history.

Best, Jacobw 17:01, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Charlie Beresford

It should be remembered that there is no two-thirds rule and VfD is not a straight vote but a search for consensus. Personally the standard I generally use is that if two or three respected users advance a reasonable case for a page to be kept then I usually do not deleted it (there are of course some exceptions). In the vast majority of cases this gets the same result as the two-thirds rule, but in some cases such as Charlie Beresford the outcome is different. - SimonP 16:21, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers (well, my mop) for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:21, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Rankings project is not

• This is not suggesting a hierarcal system.
• It will be used only by users who want to use it.
• Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it.
• The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution.
• It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version.

I urge you to reconsider your vote based on this clarification. Thanks --Cool Cat 08:43, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ranking

it was requested to be moved from barnstars to this project. several users had the liberty of suggesting ideas which wont far fetch "chilidish vandalism". the voting was premature. The project has a future if people start suggesting. Declaring it hierarcal is not right like some users did. Things can only be usefull if people make them usefull after all :) --Cool Cat 16:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nicely spoken

Plaudits for your observations at Talk:Mark Geier. The article is very nearly functioning as a POV fork of those others.

12 inches redirect

I guess my US public school education's good for something after all. ;) In general, when patrolling the speedy cat I try to remember to consider less drastic alternatives to deleting articles. Niteowlneils 23:38, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vaccine articles

Hi. Haven't been ignoring you, just taking time to review the 'special master' link, etc. After an attack by the dread gatesian blue screen, an error crept into the reconstructed first draft of the Andrew Wakefield article last month, so evisceration of that article after many hours of work (preceded by trashing of contributins to the ADHD article and followed by a series of questionable revisions to vaccine articles) has served as a harsh introduction to Wikipolitics. Nevertheless, your attempts to inject reason and rationality into the articles have rekindled appreciation for the great value of the Wiki. As for the 'special master', after review the concerns appear valid and probably worth inclusion. Yet the apparent arrogance displayed in the documents is reminiscent of the lengthy battle chiropractors fought and won against the AMA, and of the problems that engendered the Post-Autistic Economics movement, and the avoidance of scientific input described in this months Scientific American editorial.

As you mentioned, the many issues just pertaining to Dr. Geier's article are already unweildy. Your approach has appeared to be to take the high road, so please accept this as an expression of appreciation.

As for the Wakefield article, after looking into a complaint about the date referenced in the article for the MMR introduction in the UK, more serious concerns came to light from the Melanie Philips article that was being referenced, and the incorrect decade gleaned, had been replaced by the blue screen. About when an earlier MMR was pulled from Canada, 1989, it was nevertheless introduced in the UK left on the market there for three years. The issue as it should have been addressed was the restrictions blocking access to single jabs about a decade later. Will try to help sort it all out; your continued objectivity will be much appreciated. Ombudsman 03:07, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Xiong

Hi there! Because the RFC about Xiong seemed to deal mainly on his disagreements with Netoholic, I thought it best to start a new RFC to see if people have comments on Xiong's behavior that do not relate to Netoholic. Please give your thoughts and/or opinion on that at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Xiong. Radiant_* 08:26, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, TenOfAllTrades. Thanks for your vote at my adminship nomination. I appreciate the support. Cheers! — Trilobite (Talk) 13:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Polgahawela level crossing collision/Temp

I have started a temp version of the above, as you suggest.

There are already lots of crossreferences and links.

I am combining the non-unique facts from various sources, with a lot of "alledgedly" and "said to have" because early infomation tends to be unreliable.

Please have a look an de-temp it if and when you are happy.

Tabletop 05:05, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Masts

Thanks, I'll look into it. Radiant_* 07:16, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

• Excellent idea. By the way do you think you can convince Klonimus that the point to merging is improved accessibility of information, and that there is no 'honor' to be had for a mast to have its own article? It would help if he would refine his viewpoints a bit. I'd talk to him myself but he thinks I am t3h 3vil. Radiant_* 11:07, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Please review pH indicators and related compounds

Hello, I just saw something that seems inconsistent with some pH indicators, i.e. methyl violet and Congo red. In pH indicators (page in which you have contributed), their behavior is said to be the opposite to what their respective articles state, i.e. from methyl violet "At the acid end of its measuring range, it takes on a yellow color. At the alkaline end, it becomes bluish-violet.". However, pH indicators states "Color at low pH: Blue, Color at high pH: yellow" (in a tabulated format). Something similar happens with Congo red. I was planning to rise the issue in the discussion page of pH indicators, but I saw that you have lots of contributions in chemistry, so I better ask directly.--Paiconos 22:37, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Klonimus and Jesus VfD

I have no idea how to interpret his vote. I am well aware of his inclusionist votes, most of which I find equally baffling. I think this particular VfD would be best served by a unanimous string of keeps that plainly give the sensible reasons why the article should be kept. I don't mind ironic remarks but I don't think an actual "delete" vote is helpful here. I am completely unsure of whether he thinks that the situation is so obvious that his vote will be understood as ironic, or whether in fact he is a troll who just enjoys casting annoying votes. Or is a supporter whomever nominated Jesus for deletion. Or is collaborating with whomever nominated Jesus in disrupting Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point.

And, yes, I am aware that my comment was a painfully clear explanation of the obvious. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Haham hanuka

I left out one of the notable frauds he's currently committing on English Misplaced Pages. His user page is an extensive list of random Hebrew and English words, the purpose of which is meant to pull in people from search engines. He also committed this act on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages, and the admins there explained what he did (translation):

This page contained, until September 30, 2004, a list of words whose purpose was to pull in random surfers from the internet. This list could've caused Misplaced Pages heavy damage, for search engines do not act with forgiveness towards attempts to cheat them. Because of this, was forced to clean out this page, and to lock it.

In the Hebrew wiki, this fraud led to his page appearing as sixth or seventh when searching for common words in Hebrew. They didn't take this lightly, and neither should we. --brian0918™ 19:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

What are you asking for on the RfC page? Do you want his user page translated completely? Here's a section of it:

Little story - free of charge he is they are you you it are this I we every lens of microscope of speaker of computer of television of house of apple of winter of summer of radio telephone hello use one Israel breakthrough of cake of keyboard of mouse of cat 1 pizza of garden seven can phh phhh phhhh phhhhh wine of quiet porno a in g d the and z h t about to from were s a p k ts r that was 2 sub purple green orange blue autumn of yellow heat of blood of money of hand of leg of hands of feet of flimsy heat of debit of third of balance of finger of disabled toenail of page of running of modem of sex will promise a demon of rehearsal of curb Kerry ant of pigeon of territory of sky aa aaa gangway of roof of breast that is hook moves hh tt if it quite is not hah ah sms year of circuit of lie of truth --brian0918™ 00:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)