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I would like to request this article's restoration on the grounds that bona fide reasons existed against its deletion that were neglected in the VfD process and also due to problems in the way the VfD process was conducted. This article pertains to an individual named Jim Robinson, who is the owner and president of ] - a prominent political website. The Jim Robinson article was merged with the Free Republic article, but this is not at all in keeping with how site owners of similar well known political websites are separated from the article about their site (examples: ], ], ], ], and ]). VfD on this article arose barely two days after its creation at the behest of a single editor who favored merging the two after the consensus on ] favored keeping it. At the time of the VfD request, this same editor had already attempted to merge the articles twice unilaterally in less than an hour's time of the article's creation, and in spite of outstanding indications by at least three separate editors (myself included) that he discuss his proposed changes before carrying them through. He then initiated the VfD process two days later to obtain a merge, though Misplaced Pages's deletion policy clearly says this was NOT the proper process to pursue at the time that he did (e.g. a merge tag and discussion would've been more appropriate). During the VfD process he misrepresented the discussion on ] by indicating it was deadlocked, when in fact it was ongoing and the only participant who refused to go along was himself. Given these circumstances and a fundamental flaw in the way the VfD was initiated and portrayed, I believe it should be undeleted and any discussion started over. Thanks ] 16:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC) I would like to request this article's restoration on the grounds that bona fide reasons existed against its deletion that were neglected in the VfD process and also due to problems in the way the VfD process was conducted. This article pertains to an individual named Jim Robinson, who is the owner and president of ] - a prominent political website. The Jim Robinson article was merged with the Free Republic article, but this is not at all in keeping with how site owners of similar well known political websites are separated from the article about their site (examples: ], ], ], ], and ]). VfD on this article arose barely two days after its creation at the behest of a single editor who favored merging the two after the consensus on ] favored keeping it. At the time of the VfD request, this same editor had already attempted to merge the articles twice unilaterally in less than an hour's time of the article's creation, and in spite of outstanding indications by at least three separate editors (myself included) that he discuss his proposed changes before carrying them through. He then initiated the VfD process two days later to obtain a merge, though Misplaced Pages's deletion policy clearly says this was NOT the proper process to pursue at the time that he did (e.g. a merge tag and discussion would've been more appropriate). During the VfD process he misrepresented the discussion on ] by indicating it was deadlocked, when in fact it was ongoing and the only participant who refused to go along was himself. Given these circumstances and a fundamental flaw in the way the VfD was initiated and portrayed, I believe it should be undeleted and any discussion started over. Thanks ] 16:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)




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May 02, 2005

Jim Robinson

I would like to request this article's restoration on the grounds that bona fide reasons existed against its deletion that were neglected in the VfD process and also due to problems in the way the VfD process was conducted. This article pertains to an individual named Jim Robinson, who is the owner and president of Free Republic - a prominent political website. The Jim Robinson article was merged with the Free Republic article, but this is not at all in keeping with how site owners of similar well known political websites are separated from the article about their site (examples: Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, Matt Drudge, Charles Johnson, John_H._Hinderaker, and Scott_W._Johnson). VfD on this article arose barely two days after its creation at the behest of a single editor who favored merging the two after the consensus on talk:Jim Robinson favored keeping it. At the time of the VfD request, this same editor had already attempted to merge the articles twice unilaterally in less than an hour's time of the article's creation, and in spite of outstanding indications by at least three separate editors (myself included) that he discuss his proposed changes before carrying them through. He then initiated the VfD process two days later to obtain a merge, though Misplaced Pages's deletion policy clearly says this was NOT the proper process to pursue at the time that he did (e.g. a merge tag and discussion would've been more appropriate). During the VfD process he misrepresented the discussion on talk:Jim Robinson by indicating it was deadlocked, when in fact it was ongoing and the only participant who refused to go along was himself. Given these circumstances and a fundamental flaw in the way the VfD was initiated and portrayed, I believe it should be undeleted and any discussion started over. Thanks Rangerdude 16:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


May 01, 2005

Casady & Greene

I believe this page should remain as it provides Casady & Greene customers with links for product support. C&G went out of business and left many customers without information on where to go for product support.

  • Keep deleted. It was deleted as a copyvio. It appears to be material copied wholesale from their website. As a long-time Macintosh user, I lament the passing of Casady and Greene which was a lovely little company that furnished many interesting and fondly-remembered products (Glider Pro, K.I.S.S., Conflict Catcher...) Although of borderline notability, I would personally support the creation of article on them. If someone were to write a decent new article on them and it were to be speedily deleted as re-creation, I'd vote for undeletion. If it were nominated for deletion, I'd vote strong keep. But... the existing article is a copyvio plain and simple and must be kept deleted. Because of the technical deletion issues, the history is conveniently there if anyone wants to use short and appropriate excerpts as the basis of a new article. The customary procedure with copyvios is to develop the new article at Casady & Greene/temp. Dpbsmith (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Misplaced Pages is not a web directory. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

April 30, 2005

Moe, Victoria

Was deleted "out of process".

Actually, if you'd read what was written, It was not the same article that I created, it wasn't a copyvio, just an article with facts on the town. So the first time it was deleted as a copyvio, but the article I ceated was not. Please make sure you don't delete articles without good reason.--Chammy Koala 22:10, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gee. Let's see. The version that got deleted because it was a copyvio (which you posted) began:

Formerly the city of Moe, this Gippsland town was amalgamated together with Morwell and Traralgon in 1995 into the LaTrobe Council. The town is bisected by the Narracan Creek and this area was originally occupied by the Woiwurung poeple. The name Moe is said to be derived from an aboriginal word mouay meaning swamp. After 1850 a small settlment known as Mouay or Westbury grew to service local agriculture including timber, dairying and potatoes. Moe was also a major stopping point for goldfields at Walhalla.

This was deleted via proper process as a copyvio. You then reposted:

Formerly the city of Moe, this Gippsland town was amalgamated together with Morwell and Traralgon in 1995 into the LaTrobe Council. The town is bisected by the Narracan Creek. The name Moe is said to be derived from an aboriginal word "mouay" meaning swamp.

The railway from Melbourne opened in 1910.

Explain to me how the second is not the same as the first, which was a copyvio.

However, the article has been replaced by a non-copyvio version, so this debate is moot. RickK 20:40, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Drouin, Victoria

Looks like Moe was a copyvio.
The reason for is unclear - "Redirect to article that was created without consensus; discourages writing of actual article." It was probably a redirect created to something larger, when there should be an article about the town itself. Same for Drouin. That seems to confirm it. "Delete redirect; discourages actual article on the topic." Unless the deleter forgot to check the histories, these appear to be good-faith deletions. --SPUI (talk) 10:37, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • there was no history other than the original redirect. Ambi deleted it so that it would be a red link so that somebody could see it and want to write an article about it. There's nothing to undelete. And Moe was a copyvio -- there are no votes when copyvios are concerned. RickK 22:04, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

April 29 2005

100 Greatest Guitar Solos

This article was deleted after a vote which was overwhelmingly in favor of such an act. However, all the votes were submitted before the page was radically changed and filled with content. The problem with the article after the redesign was one of the Name rather then the content being unencyclopedic.--TheGrza 19:16, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Would this article be acceptable as is but entitled GuitarWorld List of 100 Greatest Guitar Solos (2004)?--TheGrza 21:16, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
The title is irrelevant—the VfD decided that the subject did not deserve an article. Postdlf 21:20, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. VfU is not the place to rerun VfD votes. RickK 19:36, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. The rewrite changed nothing relevant for a reconsideration. The original version just included an external link and a brief summary of the results, and all the rewrite did was import the actual list. It's clear from the voters' comments that just such a rewrite was contemplated and would change nothing: "Even if the information was imported in from the external site..." (Dsmdgold); "Why should we have an article about this particular list?" (Dave the Red); "Unencyclopedic article from non-notable source" (Jayjg); "I'd say just add the ext link to the list onto Guitar World (which I just did) and delete this article." (Idont Havaname). Postdlf 19:42, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete. Gamaliel 19:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Mike H 20:59, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Properly deleted in process. Consensus was strong. It was clear that participants were not asking for the actual list to be reproduced. Furthermore, if this is an exact duplicate of a list of 100 names published by a magazine there are at least potential copyvio issues. I'm getting very tired of people asking for "re-votes" on the basis that articles were improved just before deletion. VfD lasts at least five days, usually more. There is plenty of time to improve the article and call enough attention to it the improvement to get people to reconsider their votes; when the improvement is genuine, people frequently to change their votes and only a handful of changed votes is usually needed to keep an article. Maybe the VfD template should read "However, during the first three days of the discussion, you are welcome to edit this article and improve it." Dpbsmith (talk) 00:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 28 2005

Trade Federation PAC

This article was deleted despite an unclear result at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Trade Federation PAC. A subsequent undeletion discussion in March resulted in unanimous support for undeletion ; however, the page remains deleted. - SimonP 18:45, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep deleted - Appears to be six votes to delete if you include the nominator. - Tεxτurε 20:05, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Even with six votes to delete it is still not consensus, as there were four votes to merge and two to keep. - SimonP 20:31, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
      • In addition to the comments below there are only three merge votes. One vote is delete but if his vote failed he was willing to accept a merge. It was not a vote to merge. That users vote is clearly delete. - Tεxτurε 20:09, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Deleted I consider myself a Star Wars fan, and I tend to go easy on pop culture stuff, but geez... this way too obscure for Misplaced Pages, especially if the 3 Google hit count is correct. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:37, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Unless the people who vote merge explain where they expect the article to be merged, their votes are useless. RickK 22:04, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Feel free to mention the Trade Federation PAC on the Star Wars article of your choice, but the merge votes were obviously just as opposed to an individual article as the delete votes. Postdlf 19:43, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps

This article was deleted earlier this month on the basis of non-notoriety. I submitted its redirect, Phantom Regiment, for speedy; Henrygb brought it back to its pre-redirect stub form, pointing out its Google presence (5K pages for "Phantom Regiment" drum). Seems notable enough, and comparable to other drum and bugle corps articles. Could it be undeleted, so that a proper merge of the two articles be done? --Fbriere 17:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment The content in the above article was basically identical. Why not just recreate it as a redirect? --khaosworks 17:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Because there was no way for me to know what was in the old article, of course. :) If there's no new material or interesting history, then I'll go and move the current article to the old location. --Fbriere 18:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Quite right. Sorry. :) The old content was simply this: "The Phantom Regiment is a Division I Drum and Bugle Corps based in Rockford, Illinois, which is a member corps of Drum Corps International. Official website for The Phantom Regiment: http://www.regiment.org." Merge away. --khaosworks 19:40, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 27 2005

Diagnosis: Murder

Deleted with copy vio concerns, explained in article talk that this is not the case. --Cool Cat 11:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid your request didn't make it clear that the information would be released under the GFDL license and could be and will be copied all over the Internet. This isn't appropriate copyright release. RickK 17:01, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep deleted. Cool Cat was dishonest from the beginning about this posting, denying at first that it was copyrighted, then claiming he had prior permission, then claiming he got permission after the fact (see discussion currently on my talk page). Furthermore, the text was copied from two websites, and the e-mail he speaks of at best covered one. If he likes the show that much, it shouldn't be a problem for him to use his own words to expand the new article. Postdlf 18:21, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. We can write an article from scratch on this just like we do for everything else. Gamaliel 22:19, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: I was the person clearing copivios who deleted part of this article. There were two copyvios from two different websites. Coolcat claims he got permission from one of the sites and notes this on the talk page. But he is unable to tell which site he got permission from, so I deleted both copyvios until Coolcat can figure out which is which. Coolcat asked me to look at the order of deletions and additions to the article, with respect to when the permission note was added on the talk page and this would tell me which website the permission is from. I'm not going to clear copyvios based on information like this. If someone else would like to- be my guest.--Duk 12:17, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 24 2005

Elf Only Inn

Webcomic deleted for lack of notability. The deletion debate and the article failed to mention its best claim for notability, namely that it had a several page crossover with Penny Arcade. Not the most important article in the world, but it's still a webcomic of non-trivial note, and I'd like to get the chance to expand the article with some more information and let it go through another VfD debate in its modified state. Snowspinner 17:00, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Update: WHAT? I did some more looking into it, and this is a KeenSpot comic. For those not up on webcomics, that means that the comic ran under one of the biggest webcomic sites in existence. This is not a trivial comic at all, and its low Alexa rating is probably more related to its being ended than anything else. Frankly, I think there's a strong case to be made for Keenspot and Modern Tales comics being inherently notable. This was a bad VfD - it was an article that could easily have been fixed if anyone had noticed it in the five day period. The fact that nobody did should not mean that the article can now never be written. Snowspinner 03:41, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Further comments: I note that even the strictest webcomic inclusion grounds (Which have largely been backed off on now) said to allow the top ten Keenspace strips. Keenspace is the more minor version of Keenspot. The fact that Elf Only Inn graduated up to Keenspot from Keenspace means that it was more notable than the top ten Keenspace strips. In other words, this met the strict webcomic inclusion guidelines. Snowspinner 15:08, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

  • Undelete. The crossover makes it more notable than many of the webcomics we have articles for. Gamaliel 19:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't see any grounds for undeletion here since the article was really a poorly written stub. Also, as crossovers are rather common among webcomics, I'm not sure how that demonstrates notability. However, if you think you can write a good article on the subject, by all means, go ahead. Radiant_* 07:59, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
    • Although crossovers are fairly common, the lack of crossovers is one of the somewhat notable things about Penny Arcade - I think there have only been two. Snowspinner 14:47, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
    • Beware of those who will delete it anyway, despite being completely different content. --SPUI (talk) 16:11, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted, as per VfD. Grue 15:51, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: If you want to write an article on Elf Only Inn, you're probably better off doing so from scratch, as the deleted article was of poor quality. --Carnildo 00:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Everyking 00:23, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Nice to know the limits of your inclusionism. Snowspinner 00:26, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
      • Non-notability is outside the limits of my inclusionism. Everyking 00:44, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. If someone is going to recreate it, they must be aware that the main problem was not the poor article, but lack of notability. Was it seriously discussedsomewhere else outside its home? In some permanent sources? I.e., chat rooms don't count. Mikkalai 02:33, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Worthless. Postdlf 02:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain I'd say that if Snowspinner (or anyone else) wants to take another shot at this article, they should by all means go for it. On the other hand, the dismal Alexa rank of 5,546,155 suggests very severe notability problems with the subject. I know Alexa results don't count for everything, but for a webcomic, it's pretty important, and I doubt it would survive another VfD. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:45, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete. If a decent editor will bother to put in the effort to make a borderline deletion - and this was borderline - into a good article, only good can come of it - David Gerard 16:26, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Properly deleted in process. Article not a useful starting point. Anyone who wants to write a half-decent new article may do any time without prejudice. If a new article is created and for whatever reason is speedied as a re-creation I will gladly vote to undelete that. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:22, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. Webcomics are truly a dime a dozen. Wile E. Heresiarch 13:10, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete. Make sure to expand. I love comics too.--Jondel 04:00, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete, notability not established the first time. Wiwaxia 07:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't see where it is estabilished the second time. Grue 09:10, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 23, 2005

Paul Bouche

A new article was submitted so saying that it should remain undeleted due to the history and votes should not be enough I think the people giving their opinions should have a chance to see the fully revised article that was posted in April 2005 and not judge on the discussion of a different article posted over a year ago.

I still think it's a vanity page, originally by Mr Bouche himself, though this anon may or may not be Mr Bouche, but he doesn't seem notable, but I'd like someone else to have a look. see talk:Paul Bouche; also anon comment that follows Dunc|☺ 20:47, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

\Did u see? the links that are enclosed in his article? I am familiar with Paul Bouche. How many of your listings have won an Emmy award? As a matter of fact I was searching for him after Discussion and presentation by him @ Miami International University of Art and Design.
He has been arround for many years and has been an inspiration for many young hispanics as myself. I guess you are not familiar with the field of spanish media. That is ok. But know I also searched The Miami Herald, El Nuevo Herald, La Opinion (Los Angeles Main Hispanic Paper), Even Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and Hispanic Business magazine have featured articles about him. Perhaps you should too. I don't see anyone on the list of comments that strike me as Hispanic or Latino. Ask arround. Even though you probably know no hispanic americans.
Just because you dont know someone doesn't mean they are not relevant for our community 35 million in the US and 400,000,000 arround the world. (end anon comment)
  • Keep deleted. VfU is not a place to try to rerun votes already cast on VfD. RickK 21:33, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted, valid VfD process. Radiant_* 07:55, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete Hispanically notable--Jondel 04:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted - Vanity deleted through valid VfD process - Tεxτurε 20:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep deleted. I was at first surprised based on the claims in the article that it was VfD'd (particularly being an Emmy Award winner), until I read the discussion and saw that the claims were already considered and rejected, and I too could find no verification that he actually received an Emmy. If we ever get an article on the TV show he hosted and produced according to IMDb (A oscuras pero encendidos—his only credit listed there, aside from an appearance on what looks to be a talk show or entertainment news show) he can be mentioned there, but there is no reason for any content on him outside the context of that show. Postdlf 19:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Deleted I certainly wouldn't consider it vanity, but the VfD seems valid as far as I can tell. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:12, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
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