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I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, but I do find the demographic article to be offensive to Cibaeño(Northern) Dominicans. We know who we are, we know our country. My family has been in Quisqueya for centuries, they have fought the French, the Haitians and the Spaniards in the 18th century, it has been passed out from generation to generation. So stop insulting the heritage of white-skin Dominicans here, like if " we don't exist".] 16:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Platanogenius. I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, but I do find the demographic article to be offensive to Cibaeño(Northern) Dominicans. We know who we are, we know our country. My family has been in Quisqueya for centuries, they have fought the French, the Haitians and the Spaniards in the 18th century, it has been passed out from generation to generation. So stop insulting the heritage of white-skin Dominicans here, like if " we don't exist".] 16:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Platanogenius.


'''You should actually take a look at ],''' who went there, the amount of ] winnners, fortune 500 executives, as well as sports championships that have come from the school. If you have a strong idea of ] you would know that ] is a college within the ] system. CUNY is a world class univeristy system and CCNY I can easily say has produced more world renown students than any university in the Carribean. Even ] went there. '''You should actually take a look at ],''' who went there, the amount of ] winnners, fortune 500 executives, as well as sports championships that have come from the school. If you have a strong idea of ] you would know that ] is a college within the ] system. CUNY is a world class univeristy system and CCNY I can easily say has produced more world renown students than any university in the Carribean including DR. Even ] went there.
'''Secondly''', white skinned dominicans does not mean that they are white or caucasion. They can still be white skinned be black. This exists within African Americans i.e. '''Secondly''', white skinned dominicans does not mean that they are white or caucasion. They can still be white skinned be black. This exists within African Americans i.e.
. No one insulted white skinned dominicans or stated that they don't exist. ] 18:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC) . No one insulted white skinned dominicans or stated that they don't exist. ] 18:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Lastly, the CUNY Dominican Institute at CCNY is very specific and has done much work. You should take a read at it.

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Creation of the Republic This selection making the Trinitarios look racist which they weren't. Juan Pablo Duarte clearly stated that it was not a race thing, that he actually admire Haiti. Not all Trinitarios were white, Francisco del Rosario Sánchez was a mulatto. I understand there a growing anti-Dominican campaign going on, but i thought this page was about facts not propaganda.

update Now the Trinitario inspire KKK, this page is about facts not propaganda. So please stop using this as way to spread propaganda. The Trinitario weren't racist, or all white. User:avfnx

U.S Military Control This part seems to be, perhaps, translated directly from Spanish. In English, we cannot really say 'two periods' past, or 'four periods.' Either time is measured in years, months or is a single 'period' of time. I'd replace these 'periods' with the exact number of years or months (I need to look this up though. Can anyone else verify some numbers?) Cuvtixo 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


Economy - Fact vs. Opinion

According to the 2005 Annual Report of the United Nations Subcommittee on Human Development in the Dominican Republic, the country is ranked #71 in the world for resource availability, #94 for human development, and #14 in the world for resource mismanagement. These statistics emphasize the national government corruption, the foreign economic interference in the country, and the rift between the rich and poor.

Is that so? This last sentence bugged me the first time I read it, and it continues to bug me. The statistics are helpful, but these three conclusions need a lot more support, and sound more like theses of research papers rather than encyclopedic content. I would like to see this last sentence cut altogether. If the next person who reads this agrees with me, please cut it.
These statistics emphasize the national government corruption, the foreign economic interference in the country, and the rift between the rich and poor....I Dont think this Is Accurate and if it is it should be cited. I am A Native born of the Country and i know there is Corruption, Economic Interferences but i dont think that it is all the reason it has. I think there is more in it than that and for now it should be removed...in fact!even in the U.S there is corruption. Corruption is everywhere but is not the entire reason..EdwinCasadoBaez 02:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can make out, the UN (http://www.un.org) doesn't even have a "Subcommittee on Human Development in the Dominican Republic", let alone a ranking of resource mismanagement. jiHymas@himivest.com 216.191.217.90 20:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

  • But neither source mentions resource availability or resource mismanagement that I can quickly see. Although that second resource will take a lot of analysis time :) -- LeCour 00:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Religion

No country in the world, except Vatican city, has a population that is 95% Roman Catholic. That is not only grossly inaccurate, it is absurd.

The Dominican Republic has a very old, large, and rapidly growing Anglican Church. http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/diocese.cfm?IDind=632

This whole section is right out of the Catholic Encyclopedia and completely ignores the explosive growth of Protestant churches in the Dominican Republic, including Mormons and Pentacostals.

Does anyone moderate this stuff?12.72.208.136 02:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Please read the article again. The 95 % figure refers to the population adhering to Christianity, not to Roman Catholics. Also the growth of Protestant denominations is mentioned. The reference given is not the Catholic Encyclopedia. So I fail to see the problems you mention. VirtualDelight 10:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


Puerto Rican Heritage of 2 Dominican Presidents

Please confirm to me somewhere that states they didn't have Puerto Rican heritage. 64.131.205.111 21:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I have changed "In the late 1800's and early 1900's large groups immigrated to the country from Venezuela and Puerto Rico, so much so that 2 of the country's former presidents (and rivals ironically) Juan Bosch and Joaquín Balaguer, both had Puerto Rican parents." to "In the late 1800's and early 1900's large groups immigrated to the country from Venezuela and Puerto Rico. Two of the country's former presidents Juan Bosch and Joaquín Balaguer, both had had parents who immigrated from Puerto Rico." as I think that "(and rivals ironically)" is personal opinion rather then fact. I did not change the fact of regarding Puerto Rican heritage. So I fail to see the problem here. I do have a problem with your undoing of all my recent edits to change the wording of one sub-section. VirtualDelight 21:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

VirtualDelight....Joaquin Balager and Juan Bosch were Rival for the fact that they were in opposite Parties. One was in the Dominican Liberation Party(Juan Bosch actually started this party) and the other one, Joaquin Balager was of the PRSC(Partido Reformista Social Cristiano).EdwinCasadoBaez 00:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Birth of a nation Section.

I have found the sources of the questionable statements that have caused much debate on this article.

" In 1838 Juan Pablo Duarte the son of a Spanish born merchant, formed along with Spanish descended Ramón Matías Mella and Francisco del Rosario Sanchez founded a racist secret society called La Trinitaria created to overthrow and undermine any government run by people of color. Driven by a belief in white supremacy and a desire to create a counter-revolutionary white-catholic run state, the Trinitarios declared independence from Haiti on February 27, 1844 . Drawing inspiration from St. Dominic's Order of Preachers responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of Jews and Moors during the Spanish Inquisition, The name Dominican Republic was chosen as a testament of white supremacy over individuals of color. This victory inspired other white supremacist movements in the western hemisphere, notably the Ku Klux Klan. The victory of La Trinataria also inspired significant parts of the plot of D.W. Griffith's famous silent movie "A Birth Of A Nation" in 1915. "

The text under the "Creation of the Republic" is in-accurate ,the source does not support this text "In 1822 Haitian liberation forces unified the entire island under a free government of color, ending 300 years of colonial domination and slavery. Roads were built; school curriculums were changed from a Spanish view to a worldview. Institutions of European colonialism were also phased out, and replaced with ones more representative and respectful of Taino and African culture. Land was redistributed communally and individuals who had benefited from the Spanish invasion and domination of the island were rightfully expelled ."http://www.hispaniola.com/dominican_republic/info/history.php.The text cannot be found on the website.Also,This describes the Haitian occupation as a "liberation" (sound familiar?),its an overwhelmingly biased peace of text.

  • Considering that 209.247.5.216 seems to have a history of vandalism and deletion (including this today), I think that many of his/her non-NPOV contributions should also be regarded as vandalism. -- LeCour 05:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

They come from 63.215.27.201 at

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=next&oldid=131235242 and 146.95.69.177 at http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=131157287 and 146.95.69.177 at http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=131158496

Please question these individuals above. This seems to be more of a historical context. http://countrystudies.us/dominican-republic/4.htm

64.131.205.111 04:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Trinitario

I will prove that it wasn't a racist movement, I will be collecting sources, and writing from Duarte himself. One more thing why so important to include that Trujillo (kill als0 lot Dominican) killed Haitians...first was know the creation of the Republic now is know the creation and develoment only to include that sentence. Why not also how Haiti trying kill the Spanish culture, how Dominicans of light skin had to hide in the the Cibao (and there werent hiding cause there were going be treated nice). Why can't we have History not propaganda. For those that don't understand where I'm coming from there a movement going on, that trying drag Dominican in the mud, so sorry if it seem like i have to much emotion, or edit this more then i should, but ya could see I didn't write propaganda, and Trujillo been 1/4 Haitian i would like other source, cause i have never heard of that. Thank you User Talk:avfnx

I Just want to add that i Agree with your point here. In this Dominican Republic Article their is a lot of propaganda Unaccurate information which can even be considered vandalish. Trinitario was in no part a racist movement even thougth it was a secret movement against spaniard colonization!EdwinCasadoBaez 00:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


Trujillo Haitian Heritage

I looked for a while on the alleged Trinitario racism and couldn't find anything on it. It seems to be some extremely creative editing which cannot be proved anywhere else. If you can find something on it then maybe it can be placed in, but I don't think it will be found. Trujillo's being 1/4 Haitian is pretty well documented. His exploits are a sad part of history. Similiar to that of Hitler in Germany or Stalin in the Soviet Union. No one is stopping anyone from placing in sourced information concerning about any Haitian attempt to kill spanish culture. I have found many sources concerning Trujillo's family: 64.131.205.111 20:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you, you learn something new everyday. I actually did my own research and found out it to be true. AvFnx

Immigration

Dominican Republic doesn't deny anyone health care, and other thing...to get Dominican Citizenship parents only need to be legal in the country. Yes it not the samething as USA...but DR is not USA...like Italy not USA (for those that don't know Italy have Right of Blood)...once again what up w/ this propaganda...miss information about DR. AvFnx

This information is from amnesty international. Which seems to be pretty credible. This really isn't propoganda, but just a part of current history. There seems to be a lot of information on this particular subject. 64.131.205.111 12:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

amnesty international also said they treat like slave now they saying they didn't say that. The Dominican gov't don't deny Citizenship, it on Dominican Republic law that if you illegal in the country your kid don't get the citizenship. Amnesty International is part of that group lunching a Anti-Dominican propaganda in Europe. I lived in DR, study, read the news everyday...70% of the public hospital cost come from Haitian. I'm only trying trying debate this. AvFnx 02:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Amnesty International isn't an anti-dominican organization. They are more for humane treatment of people. They also noted the US torture techniques in cuba. Many illegal immigrants in the united states eat up hospital costs which is also a growing debate here. There are many dominican children born in puerto rico that were here illegally, but are granted US citezenship. It isn't the fault of the children. It's been stated that the Dominican law for people to get citizenship is so tough that almost everyone who tries to apply is excluded. There are a lot of human rights abuses that have been documented. That though may have to be another article. http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=domini

So you saying that a country have no right to it sovereignty (or only Dominican Republic)...in Italy they apply right of blood (which means the parents got be Italian, so the kid can get the citizenship). Dominican Republic is simply if you illegal you, you kid don't get the citizenship...what they can't have there laws like every other country. And for the record Amnesty is it...so are two priest...they have raised over 30 million Dollar to lunch a Anti-Dominican campaign (so you know something about those priest they declare bunch kids as there own but when they left didn't take them w/ them). The US has it rules and laws...why can't Dominican Republic have theirs...granted Dominican do benefit from it, but Dominican is not trying be mini USA. They are the own people with very rich history. And so the world know no one have done for Haiti what Dominican Republic done for it, they even go out they way to ask for help for them, give them school, heath care, jobs. If was so bad how the big 3 make seem (USA,Canada,France) why would they still try come to DR...mmmmmm here a thought maybe cause not true. Let stop the the game let blame Dominican Republic so we don't have to help Haiti. The mess that France and USA made Dominican Republic got clean up...how can they when they are poor too. And one last thing if was that bad Haiti would have been taken Dominican Republic to court, but why does the Haitian government always come out to defend Dominican Republic? AvFnx 01:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly it's not really about a debate. It's about listing up to date situation that concern Dominican Republic. Rather about it being right or wrong. It is an actual event that even you state goes on and is debated in DR newspapers. The history section hasn't touched the over 15,000 Haitian's that were killed under Trujillo's rule , nor the forced movement of black dominicans and black haitian's to Haiti or their mistreatment. With all history there is good and bad. In an encyclopedia we should be able to show everything. The situation as it stands it similiar to the apartheid that existed in South Africa. How fair is that? Second class citizens? 64.131.205.111 22:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

you talking about health care which is not true...and what Dominican Republic should have a right to follow it laws... Once again DR is not trying be a mini USA...every country got it laws about citizenship why can't Dominican Republic have it own laws. Other thing there been studies and it show that immigrants in DR don't get treat any worst then immigrants of other country. I'm tried people blaming DR for Haiti problem. Why is a big issue in DR is cause big 3 don't wanna clean up the mess they did. Avfnx 04:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

First Capital

Sources state that Santo Domingo was the first capital of the americas. I doubt i'll find any protest and have inserted it. http://www.visiting-the-dominican-republic.com/dominican_republic_history.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.205.111 (talk • contribs)

Tie that binds

It has been stated that the Taino population is the tie that binds, but they are also said to have been exterminated within 25 years due to mistreatment and disease. Is there any citation that shows that they lived longer? There are numerous citations that show that they died off. "The culturally indigenous Taino population is blended into the culture and considered to be the common tie that binds. There has been claims that the Taino population died off within 25 years of settlements of Europeans. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.205.111 (talk • contribs)


    • Great read, extremely interesting. The survival of a culture doesn't always mean the survival of a population. Many latin words are still used in Romance languages as well as English. The Taino appear to be a specialized tribe of the Arawak or the Carrib who resided in hispanola. There may have been some Taino's in haiti, but according to records, there were none in Santo Domingo --> Dominican Republic


When I study in Dominican Republic I was told that the Taino mix, that the make up of Dominican is Taino, Spaniard and African, that what on the Dominican text book. Avfnx 04:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

any links? or refernces? 64.131.205.111 08:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


Here some links, and I also remember the history channel saying that majory of Dominican have Taino DNA. I don't have the text books with me; the 1st time i heard that taino didn't mix was here, in DR your told other wise. http://www.sastravelandtours.com/Tainos/Taino%20History.html http://www.hispaniola.com/dominican_republic/info/history.php Avfnx 10:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

DEMOGRAPHICS

51% Mulatto population of Quisqueya is accurate, by you placing " 90% African heritage? you making it seem that DR is Uganda or Zambia. African heritage comes in many forms, it could be by itself or it could be mixed. You can say that a Shaka Zulu has " African heritage", and that a Korean/Black mixed has " African heritage", but the two examples are not the same. We need to be more specific about types of " African heritage".

Northern Dominicans a.k.a Cibaeños, specially the light ones from the Central Valley, show strong European decent, mixed in with African, but in some locales, the European side shows more, as is the case with me. Stop trying to portray the whole of DR as if it were Zambia or Gabon, because it isn't. Is not that it is " bad " to be dark skin African, but that is just the fact. DR speaks Spanish,that has survived and is intelligible with other Spanish-speaking countries not some " creole" like in Haiti, Jamaica and other neighbors.

In reference to the term " Mulatto", wether is considered " offensive" , that is subjective. Stop imposing North American " political correctness". DR is a different country with different history. Mulatto wasn't always " a house negro " like in the U.S context. First of all, the mixed population resulted mostly in concensual interaction, that explains how many of them held administrative positions, some owned Black slaves and even became presidents. So stop this " all the America's is Kinta Kunte syndrome". Study some history before. I recommend you read Torres-Saillant's Essay " The Tribulations of Blackness" about the rise of the Mulatto in DR.Platanogenius 06:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)PLATANOGENIUS

the 90% african heritage is from the Dominican Institute at City College. I doubt a dominican institute would offend or try to offend DR. 90% African heritage means that 90% of the population has some sort of African roots. Haiti speaks French/Creole, Jamaica - English, Cuba Spanish, Puerto Rico - Spanish. The African heritage statement is not at all false and is cited by a reputable source. Mulatto like Negro is offensive in todays world. Feel free to place in reputable sources. 64.131.205.111 08:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I would think that a the Dominican Studies institute at CUNY woud give a more in depth understanding of the racial component of the Dominican Republic due to its academic status . The CIA is a governmental organization whose sources and research may be of dubious basis. Even with 73% of the population being mixed and 11% being black, that does not take away from the fact that at least 84% could easily be of african heritage. Stating someone is mixed without giving racial components is dubious at best. Mixed could be asian and white, middle eastern and asian. It doesn't give strong information concerning demographics. What also isn't taken into account is the over 300,000 Haitians who live in the Dominican Republic (their education (literacy rate) and racial statistics aren't brought into consideration). Suprising considering they account for at least 4% of the population. 64.131.205.111 15:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


90% black ? I went to that link and saw that it says black and mulattos make the 90%. As being dominican myself I was always taught that the majority of dominicans are mulattos, the rest are white, black, or from the "other" category. I think the CIA fact book has more accuracy towards dominican demographics, not this new citation that was added.

I give up

This page all is using Anti-Dominican propaganda...this not about history or facts is about people point of view. I tried bring to a discussion that didn't work. I'm Dominican and I know what I am. This page has turn to the forum about how Dominican treat Haiti. The fact of the matter is no country in the world has done for Haiti what Dominican Republic does for it but hey we can't please the world only for the fact the world does care and what blame the one that trying help. How you deny citizenship when they not in title to it, what Dominican Republic can't follow it own law...Italy have right of blood, USA is right of birth. Every country has it own thing but no Dominican Republic can't have it own thing. I know there lot money been put on the fact make Dominican look like South Africa but that why there a law suit going on, that why amnesty is eating it own words, say we never said this or that. That why the Frances backing off. What you write today don't matter cause History will say at the end who right. There a saying if don't move the dog will not bark, when you start moving froward the dog will. Put blank DR must been doing something right, that everyone wanna have it there mouth. Avfnx 20:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


I go with You Avfnx...No other country in the world cares about Haiti and is the truth..You see George W Bush going there and he doesnt do any crap..He just talks to the president and then leaves. We cant ignore that Haiti and DR are two different countries and we are not suppose to help them out because the rest of the world wants us to. The World wants to blame us the problem haiti is facing today but they dont realize that DR is playing an important role in giving out jobs to to haitian Illegal Immigrants(they may not be good jobs but they provide enough for food and Basic Needs)..PLEASE DONT GIVE UP!!!I AM GOING TO SEMI-Protect this page as soon as possible!EdwinCasadoBaez 00:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Biasing

This article does not respect the Neutral Point of View. It looks like its intention is to re-write history and delete any trace of Spanish ancestry by calling things like language and religion left overs. Besides, an anonymous user is trying to make it look that my edits are vandalism by stating that I added things that I didn't. I have to admit that Dominicans tend to ignore and even reject our African ancestry (even when it is physically obvious), but denying our Spanish heritage is wrong too. Several of the statements are not backed exactly as they say by their references. For example, the sentence that says that 90% of Dominicans are of African descent (without mentioning other races involved in it) is somehow biased. Not wrong, but not exactly right. The article states that "90% of Dominicans are black or mulattos". Note that mulattos are not only of African descent. They (or we, I am one myself) also have some sort of white somewhere in their blood line.

from -- 22:41, 22 May 2007 Dominican (Talk | contribs)

Looking at the history it was traced to you. The I believe people who use the encyclopedia have a good comprehension of english and know the difference. Also again mulatto is a deragory word as is Negro. Mulattos are by definition a mixture of black and white. As such they have have african roots. So if you like you can say that 90% of the dominican population has african roots or ancestry. Better words for you to use might be Zambo, or mestizo , but then you would have to find statistics to back this up. 64.131.205.111 00:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Mulattos is wide use among Dominicans, we don't deny either one white or black. The things is we dont see that our self as race system of USA, Dominican are Dominican that it, like the culture is a mix, a blend of world culture Avfnx 03:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

User Dominican above states taht many dominicans tend to ignore their african ancestry, would you not say that ignore is very similiar to almost the same as denial? 64.131.205.111 03:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, user 64.131.205.111, I apologize if I used an offensive word, I didn't think the word had a derogatory meaning, specially because it is literally used in the article. Not to be picky, but could you cite any references (other than Misplaced Pages itself or other mirror websites like Answers.com) that say this is a word that has a deprecating meaning? I think that if we can use the article as a reference we can use the words appearing in it.
On the other hand, what I meant by saying the 90% African descent was not totally accurate is that it only mentions the African component and ignores (almost denies, as my earlier edit was deleted) the other(s) (as is done in the rest of the article), so technically it would be more accurate to mention all the races involved, including the Spanish.Dominican 06:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Sure
  • http://www.bartleby.com/68/79/3979.html " It was once used generically for a racial blend of any sort, but originally it meant “the offspring of a North American Indian and a European.” It has not been in polite use for nearly a century. Mulatto’s plural is either mulattoes or mulattos. Avoid all these words."
  • http://www.rsdb.org/ racial slurs database
  • http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html Mullato Mixed Races Black/White mix, usually.
  • http://www.ericajackson.com/writes/essays/biracial.html The very word "mulatto" carries this animal connotation; it comes from the Spanish for "little mule." This hidden racist assumption cannot be downplayed. Referring to blacks in animal terms is generally not socially acceptable, the word "mulatto," however, has been accepted as a standard reference, even though it too is a slur. If mulattos are animals, then by implication, so are blacks.
With the mixture you can state 90% of the population have at least some traces of African blood, 40% have some traces of Spaniard blood (i'm making this figure up). etc. I disagree with LeCour about reliable sources using the word mulatto because reliable sources also used words like Nigger, Fag, Spic and Gook. Censorship is bad, but there is a responsibility we all have to make a non obscene article.64.131.205.111 08:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I did say "in a constructive manner." :) One source mentions that "the word 'mulatto,' however, has been accepted as a standard reference." That is exactly why I feel that it should be mentioned. I propose something like:
"Today in the Dominican Republic, many citizens of mixed race are often referred to as mulatto. While common, the term is considered by many to be derogatory, as it derives from the Spanish word for mule and has a historical context of enslavement."
This is an encyclopedia, after all. Just because we don't like a verifiable fact, doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. -- LeCour 15:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Warning to User talk:EdwinCasadoBaez

Warning for placing in information that can't be inferred from a cite. . The population statistic is unfounded and based on opinion. . Opinion with unsourced information. . Removing citations . Placing in NPOV wording to fit an agenda . Please make constructive edits, also please utilize the talk section. 64.131.205.111 03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Let's cut down the warnings for non-vandal edits, and get on with collaboration and discussion. Not every differing opinion is a warnable offence. -- LeCour 05:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

EdwinCasadoBaez

I reverted deletion of comments made be EdwinCasadoBaez on my talk page. I'd like to show the extreme behavior and irrational thinking that seems to becoming as a result of objective material that is being placed in the article. From the removal of words like because it is now considered to be in the same league as negro and oriental, to the use of listings of abuses that occurred and were documented in the dominican republic by . To research from the CCNY Dominican Institute stating that the population is 90% of african ancestry. I have been met with replies such as "Stop trying to portray the whole of DR as if it were Zambia or Gabon, because it isn't. Is not that it is " bad " to be dark skin African, but that is just the fact." "" Mulatto", wether is considered " offensive" , that is subjective. Stop imposing North American " political correctness". "So stop this " all the America's is Kinta Kunte syndrome". Study some history before." . All in all maintaining a constructive and neutral article is what is being attempted. Please remember that this particular version of Misplaced Pages is the english speaking version that utilizes English customs. So although negro may be alright in spanish culture it isn't in English culture. It seems as if several highly patriotic members feel as if many things is an attack on them or their culture, when it's actually being neutal. 64.131.205.111 03:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sources for "Culture" section

Some statements in this section need to cite their sources:

  • 1.2 million speak Haitian creole "fluently".
  • The paragraph uses the custom of eating rice and beans as a proof of African descent.
  • Family structure as a proof of African descent.
  • It ignores the Spanish heritage by calling language and religion "left overs".

Dominican 05:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


Be wary of information that comes from User: 209.247.5.216 . They can be removed, but please make notations in the talk section. 1.2 million speak Creole fluently (maybe, but no citation needed)

  • rice and beans? (dubious)
  • family structure (possibly many socities maintain specific types of family structures)
  • leftovers? (i dont' see why it shouldn't be removed) - remove if you like.. it's non-neutral.
64.131.205.111 06:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick answer, user 64.131.205.111. Wao! You really keep good track of who does what in this article. Another question: why the "1.2 million speak Creole fluently" does not need citation? Can I change the number at will without citation either? Also, can a registered user (other than just an IP address) comment on this post? Dominican 13:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sources, please!

Please note that almost every source listed in this article is not a reliable source. Google searches are not reliable sources. Travel websites (www.st-maarten.com, www.visiting-the-dominican-republic.com, www.godominicanrepublic.com) are not reliable sources. Emails from non-experts are not a reliable source. The CIA World Factbook and ESPN are reliable sources. So, arguably, is Amnesty International. You may disagree with any reliable source, but that is less relevant. -- LeCour 05:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


CIA factbook is reliable to a degree due to the fact that they are a governmental organization involved in espionage as well as other activities including subversion. They aren't a strong research organization especially when it comes to specific nations. Their stats are based on a collection of information derived from other sources. I'm a proud american, but that is a fact. I do believe that the Dominican Institute at CCNY is a strong research organization. . Travel websites aren't strong, but at this point a weak citation is better than no citation. 64.131.205.111 06:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


Crime Section

I have created this section to document an aspect of this within the article. It will be approached slowly and carefully. There exists crime sections in numerous nations articles including the united states. , Russia , Nigeria . Thanks for taking the time to read this. 64.131.205.111 08:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, user 64.131.205.111. The articles about crime in theUnited States, Russia and Nigeria are separated from the main article, therefore, there is no basis for having them here. I will proceed to delete the section, create a new separate one and include the link. Dominican 13:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

CUNY IS NOT SPECIFIC AND POSIBLY BIASED.

You(the ip person)present the " CUNY" source, so what? 90% African is not an accurate, because like the other person said, it oblitarates the European heritage completely, by not making any mention of it. CUNY is a third rate,public university anyways where any retarded, illiterate person can get into.

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, but I do find the demographic article to be offensive to Cibaeño(Northern) Dominicans. We know who we are, we know our country. My family has been in Quisqueya for centuries, they have fought the French, the Haitians and the Spaniards in the 18th century, it has been passed out from generation to generation. So stop insulting the heritage of white-skin Dominicans here, like if " we don't exist".Platanogenius 16:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Platanogenius.

You should actually take a look at CCNY, who went there, the amount of noble prize winnners, fortune 500 executives, as well as sports championships that have come from the school. If you have a strong idea of CUNY you would know that CCNY is a college within the CUNY system. CUNY is a world class univeristy system and CCNY I can easily say has produced more world renown students than any university in the Carribean including DR. Even Colin Powell went there. Secondly, white skinned dominicans does not mean that they are white or caucasion. They can still be white skinned be black. This exists within African Americans i.e. . No one insulted white skinned dominicans or stated that they don't exist. 64.131.205.111 18:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Lastly, the CUNY Dominican Institute at CCNY is very specific and has done much work. You should take a read at it.

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