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Words of Wisdom

  • A few opinions • Defend each other • Soapbox • Wikiguides • Wiser Editors •

Why we are here

You know it ain't easy

Protect the encyclopedia

Assume no clue

Wonkish & Arbish

Signature talk

→ See also: Signature talk section in Archive 1.

Apropos of nothing

Hi A, just wanted to say your curated signature collection inspired me to try being creative with my own. Ruhrfisch _><>° 21:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful fish, love the bubbles! — Athaenara 09:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Ruhrfisch _><>° 11:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

→ See also: Miscellaneous section in Archive 1.

You're a genius?

I hope this doesn't offend you, but you didn't seem like a genius. And you don't edit anything particularly brilliant, but rather, your edits seem to be just simple fixes here and there. How about completing the table of logic symbols? That's something I actually wrote on the article's talk page that I was going to do, but never did. Or how about "dumbing down," the articles on advanced mathematics and physics, so that, for example, the average reader can understand what the hell this means? At least maybe you can help me correct the article on Classical Liberalism. Robocracy 07:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC) aka HP_Owner in the IRC

No, I really cannot imagine why Mensa let me in. Given your low estimation of my intelligence, you won't be disappointed that I decline your offer of an assortment of ambitions in which you've lost interest. — Athaenara 14:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow

I don't think I've come across anyone on wiki that works as hard as you. You rock. Keep up the good work! I wish I could work the way you do, I'm serious. I've had a bad two days, suffered some personal attacks and stuff, and I've been thinking about quitting Wiki. I'm not going to do it. Looking at your edits was pretty inspiring. I've resolved not to let certain people get me down, and get back to fighting vandalism, something I'm pretty good at. Thanx for renewing my inspiration in Wiki. Sue Rangell 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you, it is very kind of you to say so, and I'm glad you're back on the job. — Athaenara 09:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Charles Lyell litho

→ (In re: Charles Lyell article and Talk:Charles Lyell#Image source)

Hi, sorry to be so slow replying, only just noticed your post re the tag about the Ipswich Museum origins of the lithography. I have replied in the discussion there where you posted. Hope that's fine, post me at my userpage if not! Best wishes. Dr Steven Plunkett 02:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons

BLP/N - the Misplaced Pages Biographies of living persons Noticeboard

See also:

• Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Living people
• Unreferenced biographies of living people
• Category:BLP Check

Duggar family

→ (In re: Jim Bob Duggar article)

I agree. Way back I changed it to the Duggar Family, and the redirect was reverted within a few days. I never fought it, but I still think that should be the case. --Kickstart70-T-C 03:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

One editor seems to think I've been trying to do that. I have not, but you may have the right idea. There is far more news media exposure and notability for the family than for Mr. Duggar alone. Please see Talk:Jim Bob Duggar#Discuss encyclopedic edits. — Athaenara 08:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Postscript: I checked contribs: that user has been using TW for only a few days (a new toy) but this article issue needs discussion, not disruptive editing. — Athaenara 08:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Noticeboard Archiving

→ (In re sections added to BLP/N Archive 18)

Hi! In this edit you archived a discussion that had been active just five hours before. It's not a big deal, so don't bother moving it back, but now that I'm back from work I would have continued the discussion. Perhaps you could give things a couple of days in the future? Thanks, William Pietri 03:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Normally I don't archive any sections which have been active in the past week or more, but all three of these had been resolved (one had been redirected to another article, another had referenced information properly included, the third had been deleted).

If you tell me which discussion you want returned to the active noticeboard, I can easily do so. — Athaenara 03:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I just thought you'd want to know. Thanks, William Pietri 02:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Content dispute

→ (Gackt now listed on BLP/N)

Hi Athaenara, there is a content dispute at Talk:Gackt (version 1 vs. version 2), coupled with increasingly aggressive reverts. Thought your BLP experience might be of help. - Cyrus XIII 02:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The issue seems to hinge on a reliable source for the year of birth. A report on BLP/N would bring it to the attention of a greater number of NPOV editors. Edit warring is terrible for articles.

If I missed some other issue here, please let me know. — Athaenara 02:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

That other issue would be the knee-jerk-reverts by the opposing editors, which by now have repeatedly re-introduced uncited information into a BLP (see my comments on the talk page). I was hoping for your actual participation in the proceedings, but I will take it to the noticeboard, if I must. - Cyrus XIII 10:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

My own view is that dates of birth, as matters of privacy as well as security, should not be in biographies of living persons. It's my view, not policy.

Tendentious editors seem to delight in drawing other editors into bitter little one-on-one disputes if they can—see Talk:Subtlety and Talk:Entremet for example, where one user with ownership issues treats every neutral editor as a fly in his soup—and I do what I must to stay out of such self-defined and extremely limited spheres of influence.

Noticeboards, though daunting at first, can help. — Athaenara 23:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Case not resolved

→ (In re: Shane Ruttle Martinez section on BLP/N)

Hi Athaenara. This case may involve editing by the subject, so is possibly a COI. It just came off protection and right away one of the partisan editors put back a libel charge that has no proper reference. A previous NPOV editor had added a bunch of cautions in hidden text, which I think may not be a vigorous enough response. There is an admin watching the case, who expressed an interest in keeping things legit. If you are willing to restore it at BLP, I'll add some comments and write to the admin. EdJohnston 15:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I can bring it back to the active noticeboard within the next ten minutes, I think, unless something goes wrong. — Athaenara 15:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)   (Done.)

Third opinions

WP:3O - the Misplaced Pages Third opinion Project

Loudness war

→ (In re: Talk:Loudness war#Popular Examples Refs)

I just provided a third opinion there, but it seemed you had picked it up while I was writing. Well, two third opinions can never hurt. --User:Krator (t c) 08:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Oy, isn't that the way it goes. I'll go ahead and post, and if it turns out my view isn't useful it can be reverted or ignored or laughed at or whatever. — Athaenara 08:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

;) --User:Krator (t c) 08:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, do you think you could recheck what's going on at that page? It seems your comments were either misinterpreted by myself or User:Jrod2 because you never made a judgement. Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. Illuminatedwax 12:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look later this morning tomorrow. — Athaenara 16:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

NM, it's all worked out! Illuminatedwax 04:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that. — Athaenara 04:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't notice my inadvertent pun until now ;-D   Athaenara 03:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

House swapping

→ (In re: Talk:House swapping)

I saw you removed it saying there was no indication of where discussion (if any) was. Did you look at the article history and compare diffs? I did, just to see if I might be able to determine what the dispute even was about and found a conversation at the bottom of the article using hidden comment tags. It seemed to be a fight over external links. I responded on the talk page. Just thought you might be interested in where I found it. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 18:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked at 3O history, user contribs, talk page, article history and last two diffs. At that point, I lost patience, so I missed out on the secret messages! I'll go take a look to see what you gave them, thanks for the note. — Athaenara 18:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Above & beyond the call of duty, ONUnicorn, and a very nice job. Athaenara 22:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Conflicts of interest

COI/N - the Misplaced Pages Conflict of interest Noticeboard

See also:

• WT:BP: Blocks for COI-only accounts?
• WP:AN: Expand indef blocking for COI-only accounts?

Like minds

→ (In re: Raritan Computer section on COI/N)

I see you have set decreasing limits on Raritan too. I deleted some of the fluff, and then asked Seraphimblade to help out and he deleted a bit more. I just shook my head when all they wanted to do was decide which unsourced version to revert to. I figure that eventually when they see the article disappearing, they'll wake up. If I actually had time, I'd do some quick research and find some sources for them. Its an old enough company, something has to exist on them, somewhere. :) peace in God. Lsi john 20:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Misplaced Pages really is an encyclopedia, not free content hosting for whatever commercial interests come down the pike. — Athaenara 20:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Bookuser

→ (In re: User Bookuser section, now in COI/N Archive 12)

Could you consider reading through and comment on Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Bookuser? It looks like this is close to being settled, and fairly easily. There is still the issue of Bookuser overlinking MIT Press and Semiotext(e) as in Paul Virilio#Bibliography . Your perspective would be appreciated. -- Ronz  17:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Bookuser's decision to suggest links on article talk pages rather than add links at will to articles is what one would hope as per NPOV policy. I checked the Virilio bibliography and linked each publisher once, which is sufficient. I haven't checked others, though. — Athaenara 22:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you think linking like this should be brought to Bookuser's attention? Discussed on COI/N? Both? -- Ronz  22:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think other editors either don't notice or eventually reduce such overlinking. There's certainly no harm in mentioning it on either or both. — Athaenara 23:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

VAwebteam

→ (In re: Victoria and Albert Museum sections, (1) in COI/N Archive 12 and (2) on COI/N)

Hello ... you replied to my comment regarding Instructions in Noticeboard/Header create a problem, and I noticed that you had also commented on WP:COI/N#Victoria and Albert Museum (which, BTW, I believe may be safely closed now) ... I don't know if you've been following "The Project" to bring VAwebteam (talk · contribs) up to speed, but I'm having a Civility problem with another editor at User talk:VAwebteam#To do list (can you say, "Going off-topic without making any contributions?")

I try Very Hard not to feed trolls, but I've recently wasted another block of pre-scheduled time responding to Johnbod (talk · contribs) about their insistence on following the letter, rather than the spirit, of the policies and guidelines in this situation, and I would really appreciate an intervention before it escalates to the level of Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

I'm sorry, but if the time that I had set aside to work on a specific Misplaced Pages page is instead consumed by responding to their WikiLawyering, then I consider their posts "disruptive behavior" ... I had neglected to remember that Johnbod was the one who inserted that "entire history" vs. "entire art history" distraction into VAwebteam's COI discussion, otherwise I would have simply ignored them when they showed up on VAwebteam's Talk page, so I guess I only have myself to blame for taking their bait a second time. :-)

Anywho, thnx fer any assistance that you are willing to render on User talk:VAwebteam#To do list ... and please mark this plea for assistance as another disruption of my time, as well as (possibly) yours. Happy Editing! —72.75.100.232 21:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

If "OK! Is this resolved now?" is a comment, I commented. Like quicksand, bickering on the sidelines is best avoided. I am particularly wary of such at the moment because of another situation which has many of the signs and symptoms of tendentious editing. — Athaenara 23:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Copy that … dealing with a WikiVandal should always take priority over a Talk page WikiTroll … I'll bug Some Other Editor who is both more familiar with the situation and with whom I've had more contact. :-) —72.75.100.232 02:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Timestamps

You edited my recent post on Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard (about my Navbox snafu) with the comment, No need to change sig/timestamp on earlier post, though. Restored that. … look at the edit history, and you'll see that I did not edit the comment to make any such revision manually … my Verizon DSL IP address changed yesterday because of a momentary power failure that rebooted by modem, which you'll find documented on the User pages for both IPs… —72.75.70.147 17:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

• 18:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)   •   06:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)   •   07:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Diffs retrieved from COI/N history. — Athaenara 12:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

COI Templates.

Hi, I'm sending you a message because of your involvement with the Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_18#Template:COI_and_Template:COI2 discussion. The result of the TfD was no-consensus, but there was a significant expressed consensus for editing the templates to bring them into line with good practice. Unfortunately this has not happened, and the templates have been left pretty much in the state they were before the TfD. Would you like to assist in bringing these templates in line with good practice? --Barberio 16:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)