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You may want to help me with this...

As you are member of the wikiproject Spain and I've seen that you have collaborated in many articles of history about the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, etc, you may be interested on helping me to reform the article Hispanic. My main goal is to end with the idea that "hispanic" is equivalent to "south american", so I am introducing a few sections to the article Hispanic, to explain the great missunderstanding about talking of "hispanic" as a synonym of castilian-speaking (forgetting the basques, portugueses, catalans, etc), and I'm also adding a small section to explain the history of Hispania from its roman times, etc. So you may wanna extend some section. I'm doing it because I couldn't suffer the fact that the 90% of the article Hispanic was talking about the so-called latinos of the U.S. and so on, while the word "catalan" just appeared once. Onofre Bouvila 22:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Note mk. 2

Hi there! Who can I ask about editing my contributions pages, since they have removed some of them? Thx! Cercia (aka Novice Wikipedian).

Hello Cercia! What do you mean "editing my contributions pages, since they have removed some of them"? I am not really understanding what you mean... The Ogre 15:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I mean they removed some of my edits that I made (reset the article) and I get confused when I look at the contributions list and it still says that I made an edit. Is there a way I can rearrange the logs on a special page? Cercia (aka Novice Wikipedian).

Well... no! There is no way to rearrange the logs on a special page. You did made the edits! So, they have to be logged, independently of the fact that your edits may have been reverted. The Ogre 15:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

About the article "Iberian"

I've reformed the Iberians article, and added quite a lot of information, pictures, restructurated the sections, etc. Visit the post I created at its talk page if you wish.

More specifically, I'm here because I've seen that you have created lots of articles about ancient Iberian tribes (Ilergetes, Cassetani, etc). If you could group them all (also the Celtiberian tribes, there are lots of stub-articles about them, dunno if it was you too who created them), so if you could group them all, and put them all in a category called like "Ancient Iberian Tribes" or something like that, and also link them all from the Iberians article, it would be kinda cool.

I've tryed to do it, but there are too many article-stubs about these ancient tribes and I probably miss them all. But as you've created the articles, I bet you'll be able to do it.

Thanks.

Onofre Bouvila 21:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Colonialism

Hello! I removed this info because I created The Roman Catholic Church and Colonialism article where it is included. Because of the length of colonialism, I believed this was necessary for editorial consensus. However, I am rather of your POV that it should be included anyway, and the "Church & Colonialism" article improved and extended. Lapaz 16:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah! Okay, then. Good job! The Ogre 17:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. You might be interested in voting against deletion of the sub-articles concerning First & Second Wave of colonization. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The first European colonization wave (15th century-19th century) and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Second European colonization wave (19th-20th century). Cheers! Lapaz 14:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Population genetics

This might be of some interest. Velho 23:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote

Hi Fellow-WikiPedian, This thing came up: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Where Troy Once Stood. Would you like to vote? Antiphus 20:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese People

Caro Peço-lhe desculpa pela maneira como me dirigi a si no meu primeiro post.E agradeço-lhe a mensagem que me enviou. No fundo, partilhamos o mesmo ponto de vista.No entanto, acredito que a influencia negra na populaçao é bastante superior á sofrida em qualquer outro pais europeu,sendo a mistura entre culturas algo que define a cultura portuguesa. Lembre-se da nossa história,dar novos mundos ao mundo, tudo isso e etc,a expansão maritima está profundamente marcada na cultura do povo portugues, é isso que os distingue dos outros europeus.se não está, deveria estar. Foi por isso que insisto tanto em se manter lá a influencia africana. De resto, ainda nos nossos dias, se viajar pelas regiões de Alcacer do Sal e Coruche, bem sabe que a influencia africana nessas populaçoes é mais que evidente ao "olho nu". Cumprimentos 00:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Vieirasimoes

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Veritas-spanish Article.

Some people continue erasing verifiable and up-dated information in the Spanish People's article about recently published books pointing to a strong link between Iberia and Atlantic Europe. Those books are Blood of the Isles, by Bryan Sykes, Origins of Britons, by Stephen Oppenheimer and Deep Ancestry, by Spencer Wells. What do you think of it? Veritas et Severitas 17:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, user Burgass has done it again. Just look at this user's constant and strange behaviour in this article. Veritas et Severitas 18:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Please look at Burgass' attitude in the Spanish article. Veritas et Severitas 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

luso-islamic war

Hi ogre

You are right in everything you asked and said:

1 - it is about the campaigns of Afonso de Albuquerque which I'll call Luso-Islamic War.

2 - The info is wrong because I just copied the infobox of my "dutch-portuguese war" and planed to chnage the details.

Unfortunately I haven't had the time.

Tradução do latim

Hoje, não, porra. Mesmo depois, confesso que ainda me dará um bocado de trabalho...
Sabes que isto de ler a língua das línguas não é para todos (os dias)... Velho 02:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Falcata

Hey, Ogre, what do you think we should do about Señor Usuario Anonimo's changes to falcata? For the reasons I explained on the talk page I am in favor of just reverting, possibly incorporating some of the better stuff from the Spanish article he was translating afterwards. But I don't want to do so without some sort of consensus, for obvious reasons. --Iustinus 21:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If he's not Spanish, but claimed to be... um... that's really weird! --Iustinus 21:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Man, this guy is really getting on my nerves. I don't understand why he thinks he needs to be so nasty either. --Iustinus 01:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Mr. Ogre, I got really worked up about talk:falcata yesterday, so I've kind of been avoiding the page. Is Anonymous still being pugnacious, intractable, and accusatory, or has he come around? If not... well, did I understand correctly that you're portuguese? Maybe as a fellow Iberian you can convince him, since he seems to thing everyone else is not worth taking seriously. --Iustinus 02:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just went to look at the talk page, finally. WHAT THE HELL? How on earth can I even deal with such a person?? --Iustinus 02:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject tags

Your comment:

Hello EspañaViva! Thanks for removing WikiProject Afghanistan from some pages (there's still more...). I really could not understand why it tagged the articles on Iberian Caliphs! But tell me, why did you remove the tag of WikiProject Spain from the article Míl Espáine? Don't you think that it also deals with Spain, even if it is not very high in the importance scale? Hope to hear from you! Hasta luego. The Ogre 15:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed it probably because I'm being a touch over-sensitive! If you think it belongs, please do re-add it! I see that you're a member of WikiProject Portugal, but you're being very helpful in adding the WikiProject Spain tag to the caliphs . . . thank you! Would you like to join WikiProject Spain as well? ;) PS: I see what you mean about there being more Afghan tags on the caliphs! EspanaViva 15:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, also, I've got to ask you . . . are you using a bot to add all those WikiProject Portugal tags, or are you doing those manually! (The Afghan tags all showed because a bot added those tags too broadly). EspanaViva 15:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Your comment:

But my aim is one of precision and balance. In that sense, I do struggle for a NPoV on Portugal and Spain, amongst others, that does justice to its history and reality. Do you still think I should join?

Mas naturalmente, senhor, we would be delighted if you would join WikiProject Spain! You are absolutely right that there is a high degree of overlap on many issues.

Plus you will get a front-row seat on our attempt to use a bot to add the WikiProject tag to articles in categories related to the Project. All the best, EspanaViva 20:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Abaixo os escuteiros

Pá, vai a Talk:Scouting aderir ao que eu escrevi! Há um featured article só a dizer bem dos fascistas dos escuteiros! Irra!! Velho 02:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

AMO-TE

AMO-TE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.193.84.127 (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

Ophiussa

I did see the developments on talk:falcata, so hopefully he'll stay calm now. It's funny you should come to me with some Latin: a friend of mine, seeing the research work you'd done on Fulgosio was impressed, and thought you would be a good candidate for la: if you know some Latin ;) Anyway, now's a bad time, but I'll take a look at your quote when I get home. --Iustinus 21:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, some changes are needed:

Post illa rursum quae supra fati sumus,

magnus patescit aequoris fusi sinus

Ophiussam ad usque. rursum ab huius litore

internum ad aequor, qua mare insinuare se

dixi ante terris, quodque Sardum nuncupant,

septem dierum tenditur pediti via.

Ophiussa porro tanta panditur latus

quantam iacere Pelopis audis insulam

Graiorum in agro. haec dicta primo Oestrymnis est

locos et arva Oestrymnicis habitantibus,

post multa serpens effugavit incolas

vacuamque glaebam nominis fecit sui.

(Note also that there appears to be disagreement over whether Ophius(s)a should be spelled with one s or two)

Translation:

Back after the places we spoke of above, there opens a great bay filled with water, all the way to Ophiussa. Back from the shore of this place, to the inland water, through which I said before that the sea insinuates itself through the land, and which they call Sardum, the journey extends for seven days on foot. Ophiusa extends its side, being as large as you hear the Island of Pelops lying in the territory of the Greeks is. This land was originally called Oestrymnis by those who inhabited the Oestrymnian countryside and region, much later the serpent chased away the inhabitants and gave the now empty land its name.

The point is that ὄφις (ophis) means "snake" in Greek.

This translation may need some editing, but it should do for now, I hope.

--Iustinus 01:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, my friend's point was that over at la: we really value attention to primary sources. You see, we try not to invent new Latin words if we can help it, and between the scientists of the renaissance, Historians, Ethnographers, the crazy people who write in Latin to this day, and so on, virtually everything has already been described in Latin, you just have to know where to look. Not everyone is careful or dedicated about this. In theory at least you don't have to know Latin to help: some of our most helpful users actually work behind the scenes. So it is at least possible you could be useful, and enjoy yourself. Whatever you like.

I did go to the pages you quoted me on and modified the footnotes. Eventually I'll probably need to improve my translation too.

I don't read Portuguese very well at all, which is odd, because I have no problem with Spanish, and can also read French and Italian. But given that I can read Latin, it might be fun to practice reading portuguese by means of your list ;)

--Iustinus 19:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Tomé Pires

You are correct. I have moved this page. Thanks for pointing it out. My source also says Pires so it 100% my fault. Must be 'old age' on my behalf. It makes sense, Pires is a much more successful google search too! thanks Merbabu 01:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

¡Bienvenido(a)!

¡Bienvenido(a) to WikiProject Spain! We look forward to your contributions. If you already have a project in mind, please feel free to contribute. If you would like a suggestion, please contact me on my discussion page. Again, welcome! EspanaViva 18:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate your kind note.--Brownlee 23:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome?

Só um gajo muito avariado é que anda a espalhar welcomes à bruta por todo o lado.... Velho 20:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

for the welcome message! omes 20:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

eh

Listen guy, give me a break here. I know alot of Portuguese people, and I only know one who has MIXED blonde shades. No one in Portugal has lightest blodne shades seen in northern Europe and there is now ay that 20% of the whole country has blonde hair ? Have yo uever been there ? There is NO way the country has that much blondes and I would bet my life on that. England barely has that percentage even though the majority of people there are of pale complexion. DOn't be riduloucs. The website you referenced is a joke. Portugal has one of the highest percetnages of darker complexions in all of Europe, and the smallest in lighter complexions.

Orge

Dear Orge, thank you very much for you warm welcome :) I also edit on Basque Misplaced Pages. Again thank you! Euskera 15:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Jorge Sampaio

I'm re-opening up your concerns of Jorge Sampaio being on a list of Jews. Since he says he's not one, WP:BLP supports your position. If you want to continue the debate please comment on it. Mehmeda 02:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Maximus (rapper)

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Prehistoric Iberia

The Ogre,

Thanks for your interest in my proposal. I have responded on the Talk page. Jimp 20:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Jimp 14:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese empire

Porra, o mapa ficou fabuloso! Confesso que preferia amarelo em vez de cor-de-rosa, para se ver melhor, mas era só isso!
Cervejolas logo? Velho 17:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Portugal and Banda

Hello there. Thanks for your interest. i replied on the article in question (and reverted sorry). By the way, i do love the map. Nice work indeed. But, there might be one dot that needs a change of colour. Pink i suggest, not read. he he. Some weeks ago i did a bit of work on Portuguese explorers, and their presence in Indonesia. I will pass the links on to you shortly. I have a question though, why was the Portuguese Empire article split? Ie, to the "Evolution of..." article. ciao for now. --Merbabu 13:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Portgual and Indonesia

Just for your information, or to share with anyone else who may be interested: as i mentioned earlier, a few weeks back I wrote a bit about the Portuguese in Indonesia across a number of articles. There's probably more that can be done in this area. These articles included:

• Malacca
• Ternate
• Francisco Serrão
• Ambon
• Solor
• Francis Xavier
• Maluku Islands
• History of Indonesia - i actually inserted a 'portuguese' section.

Soon I would like to summaries this info into a single consolidated article. Merbabu 05:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Defender-te?

Ouve, tou na Germânia Superior! Num portátil ínfimo. Como é que te posso defender, puerra?! Velho 18:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Grafia do nome Francisco Doria

Caro Ogre, percebi que mudastes a grafia de "Francisco Antonio Doria" para "Francisco Antônio Dória". Apesar da última grafia ser a correta em Português, na certidão do professor Doria consta "Antonio Doria", sem acentos. Acredito que a razão seja a grafia Italiana, origem de sua família. Em tempo: em minha dissertação de mestrado escrevi o nome do professor Doria com acento (ele foi meu orientador), e ele imediatamente corrigiu a grafia. Você teria como reverter o título da página para o original? Obrigado, Acacio de Barros. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 171.64.22.40 (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Celt

Stop introducing lies in Wiki. Nowhere in Portugal is Rb1 90%. The only area is in the Basque country in Spain. 65.11.114.84 16:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User The Ogre is erasing Spain and adding Portugal as an area of 90% R1b. He is a liar and manipulator, because he knows that 90% is only seen in the Basque country in Spain, nowhere in Portugal. Look at the values for Spain and Portugal and other places in this article . I urge him to provide a single study that says 90% or even close to it in Portugal. In fact Portugal has the lowest values in the Iberian Peninsula as you can see. But this is my last word here. I am tired of liars and manipulators. Wiki stinks with all these people around. 65.11.114.84 16:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately you will not be able to escape liars and manipulators by leaving the Misplaced Pages. Real life is full of them too. It's just easier to miss them because they don't leave a permanent record of their every move in real life as they are forced to do on the Wiki. -- Derek Ross | Talk 17:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Again, 65.11.114.84, and as a follow up to our "discussions" regarding the map of the Spanish Empire... Let me tell you again that it is quite annoying, to say the least, to have to discuss these or any other subjects with someone who prefers to stay anonymous and uses several different IP adresses. If you have something to contribute to Misplaced Pages on a regular basis why don't you register as a permanent user? Secondely, you are not assuming my good faith. If you check my contributions and profile you may be able to see the serious and open minded attitude I have regarding any subject, you may also note that I am a member of WikiProject Portugal and WikiProject Spain. I have no nationalistic agenda of any sort, and am, in fact, quite opposed to such agendas. Contrary to you, I do not wish to attack you personally, by calling you a liar, manipulator or a nationalistic something (even if your insistance, contrary to well known and established facts, in saying that the Spanish Empire included the Portuguese Empire between 1580-1640 is quite suspicious to me...) - Please! No personal attacks! If you want to discuss something, let us do it in a civilised and calm manner. Regarding the present issue of the percentages of R1B, I am, by no means, an expert or even someone with more than a superficial knowledge on these subjects. I reverted your edits because I am generally suspicious of anonymous unregistered users who seem to be forcing an agenda on several articles and basically delete information that has been in those articles for some time, without anyone disputing it. Now, regarding the statemente that "Haplotype R1b exceeds 90% of Y-chromosomes in parts of Wales, Ireland and Spain. ", I believe that the links presented do not prove any such things for those countries (and in wich "parts" of those countries?). Futhermore, the samples are quite small and non-representative of overall populations (and believe me, if you will, I do know population sampling and statistics!). What I do know is that R1b is of Iberian origin and represents the majority of Iberian populations' Y lineages, in any part of Iberia, with a concentration in the areas of the Basque country. My edit did not intend to erase Spain from that polemic statement of the 90% - I must admit I reversed because you had deleted Portugal, I did not notice that Spain disapeared from the version I saved... I admit my fault! So, my friend, calm down. And do not treat others as villains until they prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are so. Thank you. The Ogre 15:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

65.11.114.84, you even called me a liar in my talk page! Is that a proper way to behave? The Ogre 15:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Império dos espanholos

Mas ouve lá, pá, o mapa inicial até distingue bem as coisas portuguesas, dizendo que o são. O que lá te chateia é a expressão «Spanish Empire»? Velho 22:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Já respondi. E não, sou do continente! :PCâmara 21:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Sp-Port Empires

Ogre, I've made some changes in the Definition on the Sp Emp page and a change to the anachronous map by putting in Spanish-Portuguese monarchs in place of Spanish sovereign. Please check them out and hopefully we can put some of these disputes to rest. Cheers Provocateur 02:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom of Portugal

Could you please comment my proposal on the article's talk page?

Best wishes, --PaxEquilibrium 21:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Caviar2.jpg

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REDIRECT

I'm trying to redirect Mike Freeman to Mike_Freeman_(disambiguation). Misplaced Pages:How_to_edit_a_page says to replace content with

#REDIRECT ]

at the top of the page, but I get a numbered list item instead. What's the trick? Elphion 08:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, I see from Help that I should have moved Mike Freeman to Mike Freeman (football) rather that copied it, in order to preserve the page history. Can this be fixed at this point? (and after the move, can one then create a new Mike Freeman that redirects to the disambiguation page?) I suppose another solution would be to add a dab reference to the top of the current Mike Freeman page and junk my copy at Mike Freeman (football) Elphion 09:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Francisco Antonio Doria, no accents =

Dear Ogre: my name, as it appears in my birth certificate, has no accents. Reason? Basically my parents felt that the use of accents (diacriticals) in Portuguese was so unstable that avoiding them was the best policy. (Of course the Doria family has spelt it as Doria for the last four centuries or so, as the documnts show it, both in Brazil and in Italy.) So please do correct it.

Also, I use the no-accent-name in all my publications. As some search engines are diacritical-sensitive, if people look for my name with a diacritical, they will find no references...

Best,

Francisco Antonio Doria

Considerations

Hi, I insert some correct and impartial modifications in Hilda Toledano page: 1- the libel suit in Italy against Guy Stair Sainty "It is nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the case nor the claims of Mr Poidimani which have not even been addressed by the court as yet" . Infact these are Stair Sainty words and you can see this here . So I insert this also in Guy Stair Sainty page. 2- I have added a external link concerning the violence against the Royal House of Portugal, Constitutional Line by the Brazialian Culture Journal. In Duarte Pio of Braganza page I insert an important (and famous in Portugal) critique web site of Duarte and this news: “On March 17, 2007 the portuguese press reported the news that after the People's Monarchist Party president (Nuno da Camera Pereira) charge there will be a criminal trial against Mr Duarte Pio of Braganza for theft and unlawful use of the "São Miguel da Ala" Order.” but the Duarte Pio supporters continue to delete this. Why?This is only a vandalism against the freedom of opinions. I insert also in pretender page the truth about: “Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza, was the (illegitimate daughter of Carlos I of Portugal. In the 1982 the Sacred Roman Rota confirmed her baptisimal documents with the paternity of the king and the presence of a document signed by King Carlos granting her the rights of the princes of Portugal.” But always a miguelist supporter continue to delete this and put his libellous version. I am also disgusted that this people insert Hilda Toledano as name of her wikipedia article and not her real name Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza. This is their method in order to discredit this pretender... Is possible and correct for you in a democratyc encycloepdia this censorship against this lady and her heir in favour of Duarte Pio? I hope you can see that my contributiones are not vandalism but based only in objective facts....My best regards, Manuel de Sousa

Map of Portuguese empire

Hi, I'm trying to make a map of the Treaty of Tordesillas and Saragossa lines, showing briefly how they affected the history of the people living in the territories of the Portuguese and Spanish empires. (Unfortunately I probably won't be able to contribute this map to Misplaced Pages, because the graphic designer working on this project with me has a vector map that he prefers to work from that has licensing incompatible with Misplaced Pages illustrations... but maybe we can do another version if we find a better-licensed base map.) Anyway, I'm wondering where you got the information for your very thorough historical map of the Portuguese empire. Trying to show the colonial possessions of Spain and Portugal has turned into a difficult challenge, partly because they varied so much over time, and partly because they don't quite correspond to present-day national borders. Do you have a source or a reference you could point me to for the map you produced (and perhaps equivalent information for the Spanish empire)? Do you think it would be more edifying to see the treaty lines drawn against the eventual colonial territories, or against the current national borders of the Lusophone and Hispanophone countries? Thanks! Schoen 23:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Schoen! The map I did for the Portuguese Empire was done using the information presented at Evolution of the Portuguese Empire. That's how I did it. That and with the help/comments of other editor regarding more specific locations (such as Brazil or Indonesia), as you can see in the talk page and in the map's talk page. I find nothing equivalent for the Spanish Empire, sorry! Regarding your questions about the map you are making, I would prefer to see the treaty lines drawn against the eventual colonial territories, because in this way you can see the historical areas of de facto influence, rather than the more reduced areas of present linguistic spread of Portuguese or Spanish. Good luck! The Ogre 15:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and the pointer to the image's talk page. It looks like this is quite a complicated task, which might explain the lack of prior ready availability of these maps in freely-licensed forms. It's a bit daunting to try to get the designer I'm working with to repeat all this work, but I guess I can pass the information along to him and see what he thinks. As far as I can tell, the corresponding Spanish Empire map now in Misplaced Pages may well have been produced simply by using the current borders of former Spanish colonial possessions. Schoen 17:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Welcome

Thanks for your welcome to the wikipedia in english. I hope to contribute specially in heraldry and in spanish matters. Nice to meet you here. --Ignaciogavira 18:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way: I have removed the coat of arms in the article about the Spanish Empire and changed it for the only common arms in all the period: the small arms of Castile, Leon and Granada, surrounded by the Golden Fleece and crowned by an open crown. The other was the coat of arms of the Presidio National Park in San Francisco Bay, not the Spanish Empire coat of arms. --Ignaciogavira 18:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Spanish vs Castillian

Vem aqui: Talk:Portuguese_grammar#Spanish_vs._Castilian. Velho 18:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Francisco Alvim

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Spanish Empire

Hi, I noticed you are keeping reverting anons on that page, I just wonder if you would agree if I asked for a semiprotection request there. --Andersmusician $ 23:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Andersmusician! Thank you for your atention! And you are right, a Semiprotection, impeaching non-registered users of editing the article would be a good idea. The anonimous user in question defends a POV position that the Spanish Empire was, without discussion, the first global empire, wich is contradicted by the previous existence of the Portuguese Empire. Trying not to fall into petty competition, the text now states the the Spanish Empire was "one of the first global empires." I believe this is a good way to put it and it should remain so. Could you, please, ask for the semiprotection? Gracias, hombre! Hasta siempre! The Ogre 16:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Celtic Tribes

I don't know what a British isles point of view is, but clearly yours is a biased one. The article works on the assumption of "people" not political borders, we have had this argument again and again. The iberians were not celtic, but iberian. A distinct and seperate ethnic grouping, which is why they have their own sub grouping but do not appear in the "list of Celtic peoples". The celts that were in Iberia, being covered by the list of Gallic celts, or Celtiberians, make the need for a new section irrelevant. If you wish to begin a revert war, and seek a third party juridiction, ok. It is not about the "evidence", it is merely about the necessary format of the article. Ciriii 16:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

There is now an expanded list of Iberian tribes etc that may be a compromise...if you couldedit it and put the relevant info like place names and also the maps on theer I think iut should be ok now. Ciriii 16:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

No, no not your former version, the one now, if it suits both parties. Because the information on other contemporaries is there, but some other information for the reader I see as a compromise. In future, please do not use terms like "british point of view"; it is unecessarily inflammatory and highly sterotypical from someone who doesn't know my views. I apologiese for acalling you bias. Thank you for making the edits. Is it possible to find a better map of the British isles and Gaul than the ones that were formerly used, perhaps like The Iberian one, which is easy to read? I am not good at inserting images otherwise i would try. ThanksCiriii 17:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok then, If you feel happy that you can state this better, then go ahead. But I would just still like it to state something about the difference between Iberians and Celts, and also the Celtiberians, as distinct group. Thanks for your help with the maps too!

Desculpas pelo malentendido

Dear friend, I apologize if I my words look like unrespectful for you. I did not said that you were national-chauvinist. I said that discussion was only interesting for those people. Of course I understand what you say and I agree. Anyway I was very surprised when after reading that discussion I read this on Portuguese Empire article: "The Portuguese Empire was the first global empire in history. It was the earliest and longest lived of the European colonial empires, spanning almost six centuries, from the capture of Ceuta in 1415 to the handover of Macau in 1999", and I have not see changes on that article. Peço-te desculpas pelo malentendido. Um abraço. --Ignacio 15:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I see the article about Portuguese Empire continues the same. Will you correct it soon? Saludos --Ignacio 21:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Loriga's article

Hi. Someone, 213.22.178.52, is trying by all means to introduce an internet address that's not reliable, and to tell that Viriatus was born in a village that he was not (due to a misinterpretation of an ancient text). He doesn't provide bibliography to suport his changes. He's doing the same on the italian and portuguese wikipedias (where he was banned for one day). Obrigada pela atenção. Septrya 03:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Roman Legions

Thank you for your modifications- but they do not help the general reader's understanding of the Roman terms. (1) I am not aware that there is a modern state called "Iberia"- as you will see from the map of Roman provinces, modern Portugal is included in the Roman Lusitania. Therefore, Hispania Tarraconensis is indeed most of Spain. (Spain minus Baetica, which was essentially Andalusia) (2) The term "Hispanics" is misleading, as today it is largely used to mean Latin Americans, especially Latin Americans resident in the USA. I understand your point that the ancient Iberians were not the same as modern Spaniards (although they are their ancestors); but that is the same as saying we can't call the ancient Greeks Greeks because they are not the same as modern Greeks! As a compromise, I've entered "Victor Iberians". One further point: when you edit tables, bear in mind that you can screw up the spacing by entering terms which are too long for the box: so by entering & northern portugal, you have doubled the spacing of several lines, making the table much bigger; same for Hispania Tarraconensis. Please think before you act. 21.6.07 86.85.44.73

== Silbo Gomero language ==

De facto, tem graça, foda-se! Velho 02:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)