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Moving the page three times in one hour lead to the move function on the page being disabled by an administrator. Any move now will have to be done via a ] --] 15:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Moving the page three times in one hour lead to the move function on the page being disabled by an administrator. Any move now will have to be done via a ] --] 15:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::Technically it is not the "three times in one hour" that triggers the move protection, it is the admin (Steel359 in this case) noticing that a naming dispute is in progress and quite rightly protecting. In support of my proposed name, which in the spirit of ] is where the page is now, I would say that '''bomb''' is distinct from '''bombing'''. Words like "incident" and "discovery" are vague. The key event here is the existence of a car bomb and its location. The year is a quasi-effective naming convention that some people like and some people hate. ] 15:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


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Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper this article either needs to be merged with a broader encyclopedic topic ("Terrorist plots in London" or similar), or the efforts focused on this moved to Wikinews. --Monotonehell 10:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  • COBRA was called in which means it is significant. Also as mentioned before there are many precedents on Wiki. It defiantly should not be merged until the full details become available but even after that I think it should stay. Tamatisk 12:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree this article does not need to be merged with anything else. Misplaced Pages can be a good source of information if news reporting is a big 'sensationalised' SimonD 12:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you need to understand that wikipedia is supposed to be an encylopaedia, not a place for you to get information because most news reports are too sensationalised. The place for that would be wikinews Nil Einne 12:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I concur with all of the above responses. In any case, the idea that there should be a centralised Terrorist plots in London seems predicated on the asusmption that they are so numerous and/or "similar" that they can be dealt with collectively. The reality is that they are thankfully rare events and most/all of the most recent are sufficiently different from each other than they merit separate treatment. Nick Cooper 12:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually on the contrary the primary reason why there should be a centralised article is because they're rare enough that they can be covered in sufficient detail in one article. Nil Einne 12:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
That's nonsense, not least because combining just 7 July 2005 London bombings and 21 July 2005 London bombings would result in an unmanagably large page, quite apart from the fact that both already have other spin-off pages. In addition, centralising - for example - totally unconnected subjects like David Copeland, 7 July 2005 London bombings, Wood Green ricin plot and this page makes no logical sense. We already have List of terrorist incidents in London as an adequate index, and that has sufficed until now. Nick Cooper 13:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree with merging it and it also needs to be rewritten. Right now it reads like a porrly written news aticle with repeating facts.--Skeev 12:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • It seems to me there are two issues here. Firstly, should this article have been started in the first place? IMHO, no, it not yet clear that an article is merited. However I don't think there is any point in merging it now that it has been started. As often happens, the problem appears to be that people don't quite understand how things are supposed to work. The idea is not to start an article and wait for more details to be available. Instead, properly sourced details should be added to the existing article and the article split if & when sufficient details emerge that it's clear a seperate article is needed Nil Einne 12:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, this is news, but regardless of the eventual outcome, it will also, sadly, become part of modern British history, along with 7/7 and similar events. It is notable event, and should be retained - although in a more finished form, once things become more clear. Regards, Lynbarn 12:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • No way... Let it stay like this for a week or two, after the mess clears up, and the we'll see what to do. The article is changing to rapidly (multiple edit conflicts for me in about 7 minutes). --Evilclown93(talk) 12:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Curious if there is some strange connection to the William Blake poem, "Tiger tiger, burning bright..." --Anonymous
  • Far too early to deem such an article as unnotable on its own, for all we know (God forbid) there are 20 other car bombs out there as part of a large attack. Even if not the event is notable nevertheless, definite keep SGGH 15:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Car Colour

Is the car metallic green, as cited on sky news or silver (as cited by the BBC)? It looks metallic green to me. --Yini3 12:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It is definitely light green metallic, rather than silver - 've modified the article to suit. Regards, Lynbarn 13:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Title

The title seems a bit odd, like someone half-remembered the 1888 Haymarket bombing in Chicago. Also, the title seems to imply that the bomb was meant to be exploded at Haymarket, which doesn't actually seem clear. Any better suggestions?--Pharos 13:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

|...and strictly speaking, we don't know yet if it WAS a plot - although I'm not sure what else it might have been. The name will do for now, until more facts filter out, but how about The Haymarket car bomb incident? Regards, Lynbarn 13:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

What about 2007 London car bomb? --Evilclown93(talk) 13:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved it to 2007 Haymarket car bomb before I saw this discussion. I didn't realise there was a Haymarket in the USA. "London" feels a bit too vague to me, but might work. Carcharoth 14:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I'm thinking now maybe 2007 Haymarket car bomb discovery. Because the 1888 Haymarket Riot and bombing was a highly notable historical event, it did strike me as a little odd at first, but now I don't feel there's anything really wrong with using "Haymarket". And "discovery" is maybe more precise than "incident" or just plain "car bomb".--Pharos 14:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, as explained above, it's not 100% clear it's a "plot", and if it is considered a plot it's not at all certain that Haymarket was the target.--Pharos 14:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
PLEASE can we just leave it where it is for a while? - I've been chasing all over trying to keep up with it! Thanks, Lynbarn 14:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind the name, but I don't really see that "London, Uk" is necerserry. Why not just say "2007 London Car Bomb"? Also, see WP:MS or WP:NC can't remember which- didn't it advise not to put the country in, if there was no risk of ambiguity?81.152.98.35 14:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The recent move by Evilclown93 has resulted in a imprecise, messy and inappropriate name for this page. Putting "U.K." after London is entirely contrary to British practice and smacks of Amerocentrism. We have the established precedents of 1996 Manchester bombing, 7 July 2005 London bombings, 21 July 2005 London bombings, Wood Green ricin plot, etc. Since there was no concensus to make the change, I am reverting it to Carcharoth's version. Nick Cooper 15:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Again - PLEASE can we just leave it where it is for a while? - I've been chasing all over trying to keep up with it! Thanks, Lynbarn 15:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
2007 London Bombing Plot?--trey 15:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Moving the page three times in one hour lead to the move function on the page being disabled by an administrator. Any move now will have to be done via a WP:RM --Philip Stevens 15:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Technically it is not the "three times in one hour" that triggers the move protection, it is the admin (Steel359 in this case) noticing that a naming dispute is in progress and quite rightly protecting. In support of my proposed name, which in the spirit of m:the wrong version is where the page is now, I would say that bomb is distinct from bombing. Words like "incident" and "discovery" are vague. The key event here is the existence of a car bomb and its location. The year is a quasi-effective naming convention that some people like and some people hate. Carcharoth 15:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Raise notability

Hi. I'm not an active contributor but I think this article raises notability. There's no explosion and no injuries. It can be perfectly merged with other articles. I think that with a brief comment in fits perfectly. Darkcat21 14:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Im not sure this is just a list of terrorist incidents --Yini3 14:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
No explosion and no injuries - I think that is very notable, (as well as very lucky) especially as I work in London! Either way, at the moment, it is notable. If it proves not to be so in say a month's time, then we can always delete/merge/amend the article to suit. Regards, Lynbarn 14:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
However, having said that, and considering the effort gone into editing this article today, by way of comparison and contrast to this non-explosion - search wikipedia for Baghdad bombing - The results are quite sobering. regards, Lynbarn 15:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

London, U.K.

Is the U.K. really nessasary? It's a major world city, people know where it is. Zazaban 14:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

In Southern Ontario, yes, in Australia or India for example, no. London, Ontario, is a quite big city as well, and Canada has been under terrorist threats for the past 3 years, at least. --Evilclown93(talk) 14:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
There are more Londons than you might think! - London (disambiguation) Regards, Lynbarn 15:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Proves my point. The Ontario is biggest one (half million people), and I leave reasonably close to it, so that's why I automatically differentiate. : ) --Evilclown93(talk) 15:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Nightclub

This is the nightclub's webxite. I'm not sure if anything useful can be done with it.--Pharos 15:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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