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Tonalsoft Encyclopedia external links

I know that you have been diligent at removing external links to my Tonalsoft Encyclopedia from Wikipdedia articles on music, and that you consider it "oft-repeated spam". Why? In most cases it was not me who added the external link, it was other users of my Encyclopedia, which is a frequently consulted source for information on music-theory and history in general and tuning-theory in particular. Often the link would be to an obsolete URL and i fixed it ... only to have you eventually delete it. My Encyclopedia pages cover the subject in far more detail than Misplaced Pages ever will, and i see no reason why you call it "spam". Is it simply because Tonalsoft is a commercial site? Anyway, our product is now available for free. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Monz (talk • contribs).

For the most part, it seemed the links were all added by one person and with no explanation of what the links were for. Classic spam. For the most part, even if your Tonalsoft site content is informative, it is still original research and is therefore not a good choice for us to link to per WP:NOR. If on the other hand, the content on your site is objective and cites other sources, perhaps it would be okay to link to. Of course if that's the case, it would be even better to bring that properly-sourced material into Misplaced Pages itself rather than keeping it on your own site. I'll admit I didn't examine every single link that I removed - I detected a pattern (which is perpetuated by anonymous editors here every minute) and removed them all. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Twelve Times Over

Why did you delete my article on Twelve Times Over. I see numerous band entries.. I assume it is cause I did not add the "This article does not cite any references or sources."? I am new to Misplaced Pages and am trying to figure out how to do that? Whatever the reason could you please let me know. Of course I want to conform to the rules.

JasonDamianUs 02:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiBreak

This user appears to be on an extended abscence from Misplaced Pages. He's not made any edits since the end of April (2007). I'm sure he'll respond back to folks when he returns from that strange place called the real world. Not to be confused with that other place. :) -Ebyabe 18:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

74.97.46.60

Could you take a look at this user, please? Every one of his or her edits so far has been malicious, despite repeated warnings. Pats1 03:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Saul Rogovin article

Hi ... If you have a moment and interest, you might help out on the Saul Rogovin article. I am trying to avoid an edit war. Thanks.--Epeefleche 14:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Why have you deleted the page for Philip Wilkinson (entrepreneur)? What possible justification....

The guy is a well known internet entrepreneur and the founder 3 businesses - one of which was Kelkoo UK. http://www.thinkvitamin.com/team/philip_wilkinson.php —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.161.137.66 (talk • contribs) June 6, 2007.

thanks for winter alert

Thanks for the 31 Dec 2006 notice that YYYY in baseball is under discussion. It looks like my participation may be limited to the summer, solstice to equinox, but I appreciate the alert. --P64

Your recent user block

Hello Wk-- In reponse to my report at AIV, you (quite properly) blocked User:Nosoyyo who was inserting improperly-uploaded pornographic images into an article. On the same subject, could you take the time to look at my recent post to another user's talk page: User_talk:DavyJones7#Tom_Welling? It is self-explanatory and I'm not sure how this should be handled. Thank you. Kablammo 00:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC) (It appears that the latter user first attempted the edit, then created a new user identity-- now banned-- which successfully uploaded the material. The edits are identical and the timing of the events occurred within 10 minutes.) Kablammo 01:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Churches in Amsterdam

Dear Wknight94, you recent renaming of articles regarding churches in Amsterdam is understandable in light of WP:UE, but for some these, the new name is not an accurate translation of the actual Dutch name. IMO North Church should be Northern Church (Amsterdam), South Church should be Southern Church (Amsterdam), West Church should be Western Church (Amsterdam), and East Church should be Eastern Church (Amsterdam). These are also the English-language names given in the body of the article. Could you please rename these articles? Thanks in advance, Jvhertum 10:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I considered this but a Google search does not support it. A search for "South Church" Amsterdam gives 15,500 hits while a search for "Southern Church" Amsterdam gives only 450. Similar comparisons for the other churches gives similar results. When I took an English-language tour in Amsterdam, the churches were all called North Church, South Church, East Church and West Church, not Northern Church, Southern Church, Eastern Church, and Western Church. —Wknight94 (talk) 10:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That begs the question: is the proper English equivalent the most commonly used translation or the correct translation? I honestly think the latter. I am fluent in both Dutch and English so please believe me, Northern rather than North is correct. "North Church" would be Noordkerk. Thanks, Jvhertum 11:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That level of detail is probably worth a WP:RM. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back

I had just about given you up for dead. I'm guessing you went on a Baseball Sabbatical. d:) Baseball Bugs 17:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC) (formerly Wahkeenah)

To show you that some things don't change, the "Ron Liebman" sockpuppet brigade is still at it. I have just now sent a note to the actual Ron Liebman at SABR (who I don't know personally) and alerted him to this fact, as it has now been going on for nearly 6 months. Baseball Bugs 18:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've trolled around a bit but severely cut down on my activity. Probably permanently. Liebman - or whoever - is a nice example of the nonsense which was taking up far too much of my time. I'm back to upload photos from my latest vacation, etc. but then I may disappear again. No drama or political agenda - just way too much time taken up. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That's part of the reason I abandoned my old identity. Too much time being taken, too many pages being watched, too much aggravation. Baseball Bugs 18:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I can understand. I'm trying to upload pics from my sojourn around the Orlando area, and am being sidetracked constantly having to report Ronnie's sockpuppets. Oh well... :) -Ebyabe 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for archiving my talk page a while back. Much obliged.  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 13:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I had a brief (so far) e-mail exchange with Ron Liebman. It's actually him, although he says a lot of the more recent stuff must be copycat vandals. I gave him some advice on how to work within the wikipedia guidelines. We'll see what happens, if anything. Baseball Bugs 04:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hard to believe about the copycat vandals. What would be the point of that? Something's amiss. I'm at a point where I will block without hesitation just based on the massive disruption already. —Wknight94 (talk) 04:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I had sent him the link to the sockpuppet page. Among his other comments: "I submitted the edits under the name of 'Ron Liebman' prior to being blocked indefinitely as a user. I submitted some IP edits and edits under the name of a friend of mine (in and out of SABR) who gave their approval during my temporary blocks... I have not made edits to Misplaced Pages since May under any user name or IP number. It's obvious that people are imitating my changes... Until your e-mail, I didn't know that this 'sockpuppet' network (including names of active and former SABR members (some deceased) and some radio and TV newscasters and sportscasters in New York - with many strange names included) was so widespread." He would like to be reinstated IF his edits will be allowed. I told him I would help in that regard IF he shows a willingness to follow policy. I haven't heard back, although it was a few days before he answered my first query also. He's not a loony (no more than I am, anyway), he's a long-time SABR member. We'll see how things go. Baseball Bugs 04:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to see his entire message, let me know, and I'll activate my e-mail. Baseball Bugs 04:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Max Goldberg

Tried listing a better reason for deleting it, according to the table at Misplaced Pages:Redirect, this is not one of the reasons why redirects exist. Isn't that right? -Mike Payne 21:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

68.221.255.121‎

There is a sockpuppetry case about this guy. See Misplaced Pages: Suspected sock puppets/68.221.255.121‎ because I'd like some help. Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk page protection

This user User talk:142.163.97.233 is vandalising talk page after being blocked. I think page protection is needed. Momusufan 03:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Spamming Wikisource

I am not questioning the legitimacy of the link itself, just that it was being added indiscriminately to any article having to do with Hinduism. After the first warning, the IP did not attempt to justify the addition of the link. To my mind, that is spamming just as if the link was to a commercial site. I hope that explains it. ... discospinster _talk 01:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The Perry Weissman 3

Hello, my name is Rick Benjamin. I'm the trombone player that played on the Neutral Milk Hotel recordings. I'm also a member of the Perry Weissman 3, the band mentioned in the article. I would appreciate any assistance in adding an article to the Neutral Milk Hotel one. Thank you.----

Famecity

Notes:

1. I live in Australia. The time zone I live in is called CST and is UTC+9.5
2. I am placing this on User talk:Eliz81, User talk:Anthony.bradbury, User talk:Wknight94, User talk:Gilliam, User talk:Coredesat and User talk:Pdfpdf

(Is there a better way to do a "group posting"?)

• Weeks ago I started creating a page and then forgot about it. It did not assert its notability.

On Saturday 23rd June:

• 21:12 (CST) 11:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC): Eliz81 noticed this, marked the page for speedy deletion, and left a very nice explanatory note on my talk page.

• 21:18 (CST) 11:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC): Six minutes later Anthony.bradbury deleted it, leaving: deleted "Famecity" ( { { db-corp } }

• 21:47 (CST) 12:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC): I left a note on Anthony.bradbury's talk page.

• 21:52 (CST) 12:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC) I left a note on User talk:Eliz81

Sunday 24th June

• no replies received yet.

• 01:29 (CST) 15:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Still no replies. Left a note on Misplaced Pages:Help desk

• 02:00 (CST) Went to bed.

• 03:00 (CST) 17:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Eliz81 replied

• 03:10 (CST) 17:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Anthony.bradbury restored page and put a { { hangon } } on it. (Thanks Anthony)

• 04:00 (CST) 18:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Wknight94 deleted "Famecity" (content was: ' { { db-bio } } { { hangon } } Famecity Entertainment Limited and Famecity Management Ltd are two similar British companies.* Both have the same ...')

• 04:02 (CST) 18:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Wknight94 restored "Famecity"

• 09:00 - 16:15 (CST) - Dog damaged eye. Took dog to emergency vet. Organised operation.

• 16:15 (CST) 06:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Started to write Assertion of Notability.

• 16:23 (CST) 06:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Coredesat deleted "Famecity" (CSD A7, no assertion of notability)

• 16:30ish (CST) (I think) 07:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC) - hit the save button - found that page had been deleted. As advised by Eliz81, now that I had written assertion, recreated page.

• 17:00 (CST) 07:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Wife ill. Took wife to doctor

• 18:00ish (CST) 08:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Dog in distress - back to emergency vet.

• 19:00 (CST) 09:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Gilliam deleted "Famecity" (content was: ' { { db-bio } } { { hangon } }:-----I agree this page did not assert it's importance.
  Unfortunately, my dog looks like it's going to lose an eye, so I ha...' (and the only contributor was 'Pdfpdf'))

• 22:00 (CST) 12:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Got home. Made dinner.

• 23:00 (CST) 13:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Looked at Famecity page. Not there!! Looked at deletion log. Started writing this.

Monday 25th June 2007

• 01:00 (CST) 15:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Finished writing this.

• 08:00 (CST) 22:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) Take dog to eye specialist, and then to animal hospital for eye operation.

• 20:00 (CST) 10:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Look at Misplaced Pages to see what response I have received.

I thought I had made a copy of my changed page-with-Assertion-of-Notability, but I can't find my copy.

If any of you can resurect the "new" page and put a copy of it in User talk:Pdfpdf/Famecity that would be appreciated. Pdfpdf 15:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Cy Young

I've gotten into yet another squabble with Tecmobowl, who insists on pushing the misleading and pretty much irrelevant point about how Young's perfect game was not officially recognized by MLB until 1991, which is technically true, and "not recognized during his lifetime", which is completely false, and the 1991 ruling had no impact on his game one way or the other. I will probably have to do an arbitration with this character on this stupid point, and will probably need an admin's help on how to set one up, not having done one before. Baseball Bugs 16:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Have you followed other steps of the WP:DR procedure? If not, there's a good chance that an ArbCom case will not be heard. Also, per my limited understanding, they don't "do" content disputes. They are geared more towards addressing conduct issues. I've kept up very little with the recent disputes involving Tecmobowl but from what I can tell, better diplomacy tactics could be afforded by everyone involved. I've stayed clear of the whole thing! —Wknight94 (talk) 16:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

You are very wise to be Leary, Timothy. (How's that for an obscure reference?) I had thought arbitration could be used to decide content issues. Well, we'll just see how this goes. Your advice is good on all counts. :) Baseball Bugs 17:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't want to get you directly involved, only to advise on how to proceed. Which you've done. :) Baseball Bugs 17:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandal

If you're still in the business of shooting down vandals, here's one that has only two edits, but basically says his purpose is vandalism. Honesty is good. Baseball Bugs 23:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Baseball player naming conventions

Thanks for your input into the proposed naming convention for baseball players (made either here or here... or both). Hopefully, the final tweak has been made to the proposed guidelines. If you get a chance, please review them here and add any comments/suggestions/feedback on the talk page. If there are no major issues, we'll put this thing to a straw poll in a few days, and if successful will then submit for inclusion on WP:NC. Thanks again, Caknuck 04:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm seeing this discussion about names, and I'm not sure what to make of it. If there are two or more movies of the same title, they are designated by year, as with Ben-Hur (1959 film), for example. Trying to pin them down by position is slippery. How about by range of years. If someone puts in "Frank Thomas" it would go to the disambiguation page and they could select "Frank Thomas (1960s baseball player)" or "Frank Thomas (1990s-2000s baseball player)". A bit awkward, but you can't go by position, because they could have played the same position. Baseball Bugs 04:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bugs, it's more of a problem with wikilinks as opposed to searching. Many names don't have an associated disambiguation page, so people wind up at the articles for the wrong people. See the talk page at the proposal for the Frank Thomas issue. Thanks, Caknuck 05:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I see, from the second item of your two references, that the issue is trying to establish some kind of standard. Good luck. You could always go with the IMDB standard of Roman Numerals (I), (II), etc., but that doesn't seem very satisfactory. Obviously, you want to keep it as brief as possible. So "(baseball)" is better than "(baseball player)". I like how you have a sentence-long qualifier on each Frank Thomas. I was thinking of a similar qualifier (without looking it up, as the edit page will time out) for the Alex Gonzalezes, who faced each other in the 2003 NLCS. They could read "the shortstop who booted a potential double play ball after the Steve Bartman incident" and "the other one". :( Baseball Bugs 09:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that User:Tecmobowl has horned in on the discussion on one of those pages, and naturally disagrees with my (not-yet-posted) view on it, I'm leaving it. :) Baseball Bugs 11:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Death threat

I assume you didn't watch the episode that the article was about, then! The main part of it included a video of the Doctor saying, "Don't blink. Blink and you're dead. Don't look away, and don't turn your back. And don't blink! Good luck!".--Rambutan (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WMAC

FYI, I just changed the WMAC from a redirect to a disambigulation page. There is an AM radio station in Macon, Georgia with those call letters. Chris 00:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply

To reply to your message at WP:AIV, the IP in question switched voice actors here, added junk here, added a fake plot synopsis here and is sock of a vandal who I refer to as "The Hidden Message Vandal". I have yet to report said vandal on anything yet, but I was wondering if you had any advice on how to proceed. -- Scorpion 15:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP. You may want to start tagging the talk pages with {{sockpuppet}} to track them so WP:AIV watchers can pick up on the behavior more quickly. Otherwise, the vandalism is sneaky enough to cause admins to take pause. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Carbogen

I think this user is actually trying to contribute constructively, but just doesn't understand policy. From my brief interactions, s/he appears to be a new user who needs some guidance rather than a returning troll. I'll let somebody else review the request, since I was conversing with this user, but I think Carbogen could benefit from a nudge in the right direction and a second chance. - auburnpilot talk 03:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The behavior seems too over-the-top and sockish (bizarre nonsense pages, odd talk page comments, conversing via edit warring edit summaries, overwriting entire pages) to be innocent but I've been known to be wrong. I won't interfere if anyone - including you - wants to overrule. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You may have been wrong with blocks, but I tend to be wrong and hand out good faith like free candy. I agree the behavior is a bit odd, and considering a user who I insisted was not a troll (Doctor11) turned out to be a sockpuppet intentionally created to appear like a normally editor, I'm not too willing to stick my neck out for anybody. I'm not necessarily pushing for an unblock, but I guess I'm not pushing for the block either... Either way, - auburnpilot talk 03:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what this situation smelled like to me. No good. I'll unblock and we'll see which of us is right :) —Wknight94 (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

more Ronnie

Thanks for the blocks on the Ron socks. Another one has cropped up, Special:Contributions/149.4.108.72. I've alerted Netsnipe, who has previously done a range block. If you can do so, that would be loverly. If not, we can wait for Netsnipe to do so. Welcome back to the jungle! ;) -Ebyabe 15:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• I had been wondering where Ron went. I was reminded of an old joke about two assassins waiting for Hitler. Remind me to tell you about that one. Baseball Bugs 15:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • He's been keeping it on the down-low recently. Which is good, less to revert. He seems to be diversifying, doing a few edits on several different accounts. He must think that'll fool us somehow. Not so long as his behaviour (the edits, the style of his abusive edit summaries) remains the same. I've tried to explain that, but it's like talking to a dead horse. Or riding a wall into the ground. Did you get that I'm not good with the whole metaphor thing? *hehe* Anyway, I'll keep an eye out and report his offenses, and not let myself get provoked by him. B/c that way, he wins. It seems like at this point, it's all about who'll outlast whom. Dunno about him, but I can do this for a very long time. We shall see... -Ebyabe 15:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, Special:Contributions/149.4.108.72 is getting snippy with Momusufan. How predictable. *sigh* -Ebyabe 15:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Any more contact with the actual Mr. Liebman? —Wknight94 (talk) 16:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
      • No, nor do I expect to. He had asked to be unblocked and said he wanted his edits restored. I told him he needed to provide citations. End of story, end of communication. He refuses to do it. Finis. Baseball Bugs 17:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: I'm really not kidding

Per my username violation removal, my last boss's first name was Sushil and his last name started with Bh... After that it was different but Sushil is definitely a person's name in Asia. See here —Wknight94 (talk) 16:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh Ok. Thanks! Have a great day! MAJ5 _(contribs) 16:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Userpage in IE

Hey, cheers for letting me know. Unfortunately I don't have access to IE as a mac user and it's fine in Firefox and Safari, so I'll have to get back in the library and try it sometime! - Zeibura 19:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

IOTW Deletion

I was wondering why the article was deleted. It is in reference to a board with over 35,000 members worldwide, so it hardly seems like an "insignificant group" of people. Thanks. (I had already posted this, then deleted it because I thought I had the wrong admin. But after double checking it, I have the right one)

Dear Wknight94

Hello, this is Carbogen just saying thanks for assuming good faith and unblocking me. I am indeed a genuine wikipedian who has nothing but the best of intent, although many people frequently think I am a vandal. The reason they think I am a vandal is because I try to explain to them that if any number multiplied by zero equals nothing then any number divided by zero should equal everything! In other words, if 0/1=nothing then it is true that 1/0=everything. Right now they say 1/0 is undefined but you see there may be a real definition that will cause us to really think about everything. Anyway, I don't want to bore you with that too much because I see you're not a mathematician or a physicist. At any rate, it's something everybody can understand. One thing divided by nothing is something that is undivided, and something that is undivided must therefore be unified. Therefore the unified field that everything is theoretically made out of is literally the definition of 1/0, according to english. Anyway, thanks again for unblocking me. Never again shall you think I am a troll.

peace