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User jayjg stalking and reverting

I have noted the incidents both on the user page and the article page but have not reverted anything. So far this individual has yet to reply but just continues to revert references claiming even cited Bible passages are original research and violate NPOVRktect 13:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't regurgitate huge chunks of discussion into this page. I've left your dispute but removed the copied text. Please provide brief links only. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Can the bible even be considered a reliable source? Until(1 == 2) 15:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Can most Roman literature be considered reliable? This is an inappropriate question for this board, but I'll say one thing: ancient literature and sources are different from modern sources. Every ancient historian knows this. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

<nitpick>Wouldn't it count as Greek literature, technically?</nitpick> -- ChrisO 09:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The Bible would be a reliable source for simple statements as to, for example, what the Bible itself says (for example, as the source of a directly-quoted passage.) However, interpretations (such as this edit by Rktect) require a secondary source. Primary sources should be used cautiously and sparingly, and should not be used to support a claim which is interpretive. From what I've been seeing, several of your edits, Rktect, are pretty poor in quality (use of "you"/second person, weasel words (the edit there is also of marginal relevance, at best, to the article's subject), poor grammar/syntax/spelling/capitalization which sometimes make it difficult to understand what you mean ), and various other problems. I'd suggest you work with Jayjg and other editors to correct these issues, I see you want to contribute, and that is great, but I'd advise you take a more willing attitude toward learning how. You might also want to have a look at WP:ADOPT, I believe you may benefit from it. Seraphimblade 15:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The primary written sources for are often borrowed or collected from texts in Akadian, Egyptian, Sumerian and other ancient languages which include deemed important in their own right at the time. As the collections were consolidated so were the different gods. Most Bibles reference this in their introductions as they do or what some people call wordsmithing which includes some less than reverent double entendre similar to what you are doing here. There isn't a lot of commentary on that because first it takes away from your appreciation of a joke to have to have someone explain it to you, and secondly other people deem it sacreligious to discuss it and revert it. That's the issue here.

The approach in Misplaced Pages is to cross reference many different sources in many different languages. In doing that a basic problem is lack of consistancy. Each individual link says what is says without regard for what other links say. Many of the referenced sources in the links are not primary sources but link to various religious encyclopedias, commentaries in English Greek or Latin and very few fill in the dots. Archaeologists like mine the passages for textual artifacts such as the price of slaves or the form of contracts which can often be linked to historic artifacts while at the same time believers try and limit the discussion to what they believe is true. The idea that the first five books are actually a law book called is ancient and much commented upon as Mosaic Law. The purpose of my edits was to gain some cross referencing consistency in wikipedia sources in a comparison of Biblical references to Mosaic Law, Sharia Law and Hotep, the law of the Egyptians. Having them systematically reverted along with their many reputable references amounts to systematic censorship by user Jayjg .Rktect 12:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Rktect, you have a habit of synthesizing facts and using primary and overview sources as purported evidence for your own commentary. Jayjg is correct in referring you Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Rktect/Proposed decision#Proposed findings of fact. Using the Times history of the world book to prove that modern Palestinians are the same as the ancient Philistines, for example, is not good use of sources. nadav (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess you figure that since the jews left in a nobody remained and the region was uninhabited for a couple of millenia until Israel was established in 1947.

Canaan was refered to as Palestine in Egyptian and Akkadian in the 18th Dynasty of Egypt. Its size varied a little; it was at its greatest extent when Thutmosis I reached the Euphrates and it extended as far north as Kadesh. Its legitimate to argue that Cannan was never a kingdom just a collecton of tribes until after the Conguest, and you could argue that the Phillistines who lived along the coasts were a little different than the people who lived inland, but that people who lived there stayed there and became Palestinians and remain Palestinans to the present day seems pretty clear.

The first references to the start here (Babylonian MAT A-mur-ri-e), Kur-Mar-tu-ki = MAT A-mur-ri-e} and in Akkadian borrowing the Egyptian name Kur ti-id-nu-um-ki MAT A-mur-ri-e) Akkadian borrows Kur (meaning mountains and enemy) from Sumerian. MAR TU or SA GAZ ('apiru) and both reference the people of the west known as the Amurru. Thats amout the farthest extent north.

There are other people in Canaan which are covered in but the people who gave the land their name were the Peleset, one of the refered to in the Bible as Thats about the farthest extent south.

The Times History of the World Atlas that I cited, summarises and details the continuity, but there are thousands of other ways we could demonstrate that the Canaanites remain in the same area doing the same things as Phillistines, Phoenicians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Abbisaids, and Ottomans until finally they become a British protectorate. Palestine lasts not just until the European jews return to establish a homeland, but to the present day.Rktect 20:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't the place for discussing content. Your reply completely missed the point of my comment, and also puts words in my mouth. You must understand that No original research means not adding your personal interpretation of facts. What you are constantly doing is citing the facts to a good source, and then making up your own interpretation. That is why so many of your edits have been reverted. In the particular case of Palestinian people (if you want to discuss it further, do it on the article's talk page), you cite a general history book about how the land was continuously occupied, and then you add your personal interpretation that this implies that modern inhabitants of the land and ancient inhabitants are one and the same. You made the same sort of mistake in Jerusalem and, I assume, the other articles where you tried to add content recently. The arbcom case tells me you have had this problem for a while. Perhaps the WP:ADOPT program would be a good step towards overcoming this habit; your adopter will be able help in showing where the thin line is crossed from good use of sources into WP:SYN. nadav (talk) 11:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of you might explain how something that has encyclopedic sources becomes original research? For example why are the references to semitic roots from Bartleby's removed?. How are the additions of references from creditable sources trolling? Why are the wikipedia links to and removed from a stub on Bael Zephon? Why the insistance that the etymology of all bible passages is Hebrew only rather than allowing an etymology from Akkadian or Greek depending on the period when they are written? Does NOR mean no addition of references? What's the necessity of that? Isn't that POV? Why can't the reverts be discussed on the talk pages? Why the systematic reverts of every contribution? Why always reverts rather than occasionaly an edit after discussion? Is that Misplaced Pages policy On the Jerusalem page the reverts removed hidden comments noting material which was inconsistent with other wikipedia pages and incorrect? Rktect 11:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Original research vs. WP:SYN. If the reason given for revert is Original Research, then the argument that Original Research that creates primary sources is not allowed should be the basis of judgement. However, research that consists of collecting and organizing material from existing primary or secondary sources within the provisions of this policy is, of course, encouraged: this is "source-based research," and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia. If the reason for revert is WP:SYN then there needs to be A, B and C and the revert should not be allowed if only A and B are present. Rktect 12:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Further discussion is taking place below in the section Misplaced Pages:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#stalking and unwarranted reverts by User Beit Or. nadav (talk) 03:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

God: Valuable Wikipedian, or disruptive editor with a history of sockpuppetry?

This off topic discussion was archived to Misplaced Pages:God: Valuable Wikipedian, or disruptive editor with a history of sockpuppetry? and listed at WP:BJAODN. It's also listed at Digg

Images uploaded by Chrisg21090 (talk · contribs) - help requested

Please see User talk:Chacor#Sorry! Need help! and User_talk:Chrisg21090#False_license_tagging.2Fimage_source. This user has uploaded a whole bunch of images as PD-self (including two NASA images, which was what drew my attention to this user). After some discussion, he claims that the rest of the images have indeed been taken by him.

I'd ask any admin with the time to a) check his story, see if there's anything that is weird with his claims that I might have missed; b) check the images to see if they match his story; and c) check to see if these images are elsewhere on the web.

As everyone knows, we're getting stricter with imagevios. I've already assumed good faith all the way through, and this user is willing to let an admin double-check everything. Thanks in advance to whichever admin takes on this. – Chacor 06:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Check the others carefully. If any other is clearly not by this user, assume they're all not by him. Od Mishehu 08:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyone willing to go through it all? I personally have no time to do so. – Chacor 11:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't see anything clearly wrong about the images still tagged as self-created. --Carnildo 09:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack vandalism

Hello all. Telephonepoll (talk · contribs) has vandalized my user page several times and even uploaded a modified version of the picture of myself. He also tried to post earlier (deleted) versions of that image to the Ameriprise Financial article. All of this is presumably due to my deleting posting of external links to an attack site to the Ameriprise article (one example of many) for which he made personal threats of disruptive editing which he seemed to follow through with from yet another IP. I can only presume that Telephonepoll who started by trying to post a doctored image of me to the Ameriprise article and has done nothing since but attack me is the same person. I would normally bring this to WP:AIV, but with the complication of a doctored attack image in Image:08-25-05 1125.jpg's history I decided this was the better venue, my apologies if I am wrong. Thanks!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted the vandalized revisions of your photo and blocked Telephonepoll for 31 hours. If anyone sees fit to extend this block, I won't object. ˉˉ╦╩ 21:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Polltelephone (talk · contribs) has made the same vandalisms to my talk page diff and uploaded the same doctored image Image:08-25-051125.jpg. A pretty obvious sockpuppet evading a block. I would like to note that several of the IPs this editor used when trying to edit external links to attack sites into the Ameriprise article were later blocked as being open proxies, perhaps a checkuser is warranted? —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Both accounts are now indefinitely blocked. I don't know if a checkuser request will do any good, since the sockpuppetry was obvious and all previously used IPs should now be blocked. Keep an eye out on similar users/IPs, they might flush out other open proxies. I'll try to keep tabs on the Ameriprise article. ˉˉ╦╩ 19:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again and point well taken on flushing out more open proxies. Who says vandalism can't be useful? In fact I've been consoling myself that as long as he was beating up on me, he wasn't messing around with Mainspace, which is what really matters. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Replacable fair use nightmare

I've found dozens on dozens of bad free use images, most of which are easily replacable with free use images. Most, but not all, of this search, pretty much. What should I do?! There's so many, and at least half of them are of people from the 16th century or earlier.... And did I mention they're used bloody everywhere? In articles with the most tangental relationship to the subject at hand? I've made a start, but have to sleep, so... Adam Cuerden 22:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand. How can images from the 16th century be replaceable fair use? They should be lapsed copyrights. Corvus cornix 23:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The website these images supposedly come from appears to license them as "attribution" - which is an acceptable license if I read the website's terms correctly. WilyD 00:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, attribution is acceptable in a free license; indeed, the license under which Misplaced Pages content is distributed, the GFDL, requires attribution. --FOo 03:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The first image I looked at is labeled PD but states permission granted by private email. There's a procedure someplace for granting permission. Origin site has "Copyright � 1996 - 2006 K. L Kamat, Jyotsna Kamat, Vikas Kamat, Kamat's Potpourri. All Rights Reserved." So the copyright has been aging for six months. (SEWilco 04:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Excuse me? According to this and this Mr. Kamat certainly isn't releasing his photos under a free license. All of these images need a rationale. Yikes! Borisblue 06:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

No they don't. See Misplaced Pages:Public domain. "In the U.S., any work published before January 1, 1923 anywhere in the world is in the public domain." It looks like these are Indian photos, so also see Misplaced Pages:Copyright_situations_by_country. That says "India: Life+60 Photographs instead go into the public domain 60 years after their creation." These (those I've glanced at) are all photographs over 60 years old, so all public domain, whatever Kamat.com says. We do have to give a link to the source, and we are grateful to Mr. Kamat for providing them. --AnonEMouse 16:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

can we verify that they are all over 60 years old though? There's going to be a huge amount of retagging we have to do in either case. Borisblue 23:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

User:PersonalityPhotos

PersonalityPhotos (talk · contribs) has been uploading tons of images with invalid copyrights. When questioned, they claim they have the right to do so. All of their images need to be removed, the articles they've added them to reverted, and the User blocked for using the name of a company. Corvus cornix 23:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Hold on... please see Misplaced Pages:Possibly_unfree_images#July_1 as it may well be the copyright holder doing the uploading. Where did this user say they are not acting on behalf of Personality Photos? Tabercil 00:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I never said they were not acting on behalf of Personality Photos. I am saying that their claims that Personality Photos has the rights to the images is specious, and the fact that they are working on behalf of Personality Photos is a violation of the Username policy. Corvus cornix 02:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • They even specifically said, we may own the images and rights to them, to use them commercially however, requires the permission of the estates of the people appearing in the images. This is an incompatible license with Misplaced Pages's needs. Corvus cornix 02:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that they were referring to personality rights. Misplaced Pages does not require a signed release from the subject of a photograph - a license from the photographer or photograph copyright holder is sufficient. ˉˉ╦╩ 19:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

stalking and unwarranted reverts by User Beit Or

17:07, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rktect (→Warning)

17:06, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rktect (Warning)

16:32, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Isaac Newton's occult studies (rv original research) (top)

16:31, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Deborah (stop inserting your original research)

15:58, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Habiru (Undid revision 141838629 by Rktect (talk)) (top)

15:56, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Deborah (remove original research)

15:56, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Baal-zephon (Undid revision 141857893 by Rktect (talk)) (top)

15:55, July 1, 2007 (hist) (diff) Sarah (Undid revision 141857680 by Rktect (talk))

Eight reverts of user rktect today without discussion on article talk page Typically claiming original research for pages which are nothing but references and cites Rktect 00:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Those logs are not helpful unless you provide links to the diffs. Until(1 == 2) 00:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Proabivouac removed this thread from User talk:Beit Or and called it "trolling". I tend to agree with him. Beit Or's reverts that I checked are within policy. I would have done them myself if necessary. Shalom 01:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that these are reasonable reverts, and I reverted a similar edit of Rktect's. I tried to explain the complexities of original research to the user - perhaps someone else can have a go at that? Tewfik 02:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of you might explain how something that has encyclopedic sources becomes original research? For example why are the references to semitic roots from Bartleby's removed?. How are the additions of references from creditable sources trolling? Why are the wikipedia links to and removed from a stub on Bael Zephon? Why the insistance that the etymology of all bible passages is Hebrew only rather than allowing an etymology from Akkadian or Greek depending on the period when they are written? Does NOR mean no addition of references? What's the necessity of that? Isn't that POV? Why can't the reverts be discussed on the talk pages? Why the systematic reverts of every contribution? Why always reverts rather than occasionaly an edit after discussion? Is that Misplaced Pages policy? Rktect 11:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I've checked randomly this action by Beit Or. I saw a few references and blockquotes used by Rktect and went to verify some of them and found that one reference is "Portsmouth Collection Add. MS. 3975, Cambridge University Library, Cambridge University". I haven't checked the rest of reverts at other articles. No discussion at the talk page at all. No message from Beit Or to Rktect. Onlt Tewfik could try to do that.

On the other hand, i see no stalking from Beit Or at all. I only see reverting w/o discussing. Original research comes mainly w/ no reference at all. Original research (OR) is a term used in Misplaced Pages to refer to unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories. The term also applies to any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that appears to advance a position — or, in the words of Misplaced Pages's co-founder Jimmy Wales, would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation." . So where is the original research of Rktect's Isaac Newton occult studies' edits? There is a published paper used in his edits after all.

I've also sent an email to Proabivouac re his revert of Rktect's message to Beit Or asking Proabivouac about the trolling behaviour of Rktect when he communicated his concerns about the reverts to Beit Or. Could someone please explain to me all this mess? -- FayssalF - 12:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Fayssal F. I suppose that the odd references to both Rktect and Beit Or in the third person, the unusual format, the repeated accusations of stalking by various editors (WP:ANI#User jayjg stalking and reverting above) and what seemed to me the generally crankish nature of the edits in question combined to form the overall impression of trolling. User:Shalom arrived at the same impression. Nor are Beit Or and Jayjg the only ones reverting his edits, e.g. . Perhaps I should have taken the time to explain to him once again (see User talk:Rktect) why his edits were being reverted.Proabivouac 18:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Taking into account Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Rktect, it seems Rktect's behavior and editing pattern didn't change much: the same original research thinly disguised under spurious references, edit warring, and claims that Rktect is right and everybody else is wrong. One can wonder whether the benefits of keeping Rktect on Misplaced Pages actually outweigh the costs of cleaning up after him (and responding to such threads). Beit Or 19:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I would not worry to much about it Beit Or, I don't think anyone is taking Rktect's accusations about you seriously. Until(1 == 2) 19:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Rktect has been blocked for 48 hours. If he continues with his habit of inserting OR and novel synthesis, then I would agree with Jayjg that Rktect's arbcom case should be reopened. nadav (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Disruption and incivility

Per admin 会話, I am asking for help regarding the harassing anon IP 86.147.92.156 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). His postings at Talk:The Marvel Superheroes have gotten progressively more insulting and uncivil, personally attacking and insulting me for objecting to his desire to add commercial links. I turn the other cheek at least twice, to no avail, and he finally went so far as to post a personally harassing and disruptive WP:NOR diatribe, which I deleted based on WP:SOURCE, WP:DISRUPT, etc. I only ask that an admin you go to that talk page, follow the dialog, and perhaps ask this person not to abuse other editors the way he has. --Tenebrae 02:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, he's simmering down and I'm working with him. He's registered now as User:Doceo and is beginning to read some of the policies. That's a start. I'm rescinding my request for help for now. And I thank the hardworking volunteer admins; I cannot imagine the constant headaches and bickering you must face. With thanks, --Tenebrae 21:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted image uploaded again (by possible Sock?)

• Hello, Image:Twograms.jpg was deleted yesterday as an uncontested rfu (CSD I7)). It has now been put up again by User:Pepso2 - the original uploader was User:Pepso JGHowes - 14:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Image re-deleted, user warned. Perhaps a checkuser request is in order. – Quadell 17:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Why would we need a checkuser for Pepso and Pepso2, when they upload the same image? It's a duck. Corvus cornix 19:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
      • I created the Pepso2 account because I could not recall the password of the Pepso account. Pepso2 21:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
        • If they don't edit concurrently, I guess it's not a duck after all. (I'm usually an AGF-kinda-guy, but sometimes I slip up.) – Quadell 21:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

An Imposter

This user has adopted a user name very similar to mine and has copied my user page. I don't want to do the blocking because of the potential for a perceived conflict of interest. Could another admin give this a look. Thanks. -- No Guru 14:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely. --Tango 14:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you ! -- No Guru 15:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh, are you sure? I'm not seeing anything in the block log. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 03:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Anwar saadat and User:Bakasuprman, edit warring again

There have been previous threads about the edit warring of this duo; most recently, Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive260#edit-warring_duo. In that thread, both were blocked for awhile, and then unblocked. Today I've noticed them edit warring on Goa Inquisition, 2006 Aligarh Riots, M. G. Ramachandran, Hindu Temples - What Happened to Them, Hindu Forum of Britain, Hindu Forum of Britain, and Godhra Train Burning; there are a few more articles involved with only one edit/revert sequence. On most of these articles both editors have stopped before accumulating four reverts, but on Goa Inquisition it appears that both editors may have broken the 3RR. I have been editing that article as well, so it would be inappropriate for me to take any administrative action. Since the problem affects many articles and has been on ANI before, I thought ANI would be a better place to bring this than the 3RR board. I take no position as to who's "right" in this dispute, although I note that Baka has posted to the talk pages of some of these articles today, including Goa Inquisition. I'd appreciate it if some uninvolved folks could look at this and warn/protect/block as needed. --Akhilleus (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I am being stalked. Anwar's first edit on this page came this morning. I was accused of linkspamming by linking to a peer reviewed article in a respected journal by our resident troll. I made three reverts, all sanctioned by WP:3RR, since I was reverting a blanking of a peer reviewed academic journal. However Anwar made 4.5 reverts (.5 being a revert of Bharatveer (talk · contribs))

• 2007-07-03T07:53:25
• 2007-07-03T09:30:05
• 2007-07-03T09:52:47 (a .5 revert)
• 2007-07-03T09:54:13
• 2007-07-03T09:57:50.

I have a revert first discuss later philosophy, and those who have worked with me will not disagree. After I realized Anwar was bent on trolling and was being dishonest about the content I showed that the link worked in a terse statement on the talk page. I already pointed out the relevant policy on the image pages, noting that the image of a bookcover was illustrating the book, therefore there was no violation. Anwar was also censured by another user for irrationally tagging images. At andrew's behest, I "discussed" on Talk:Vishwa Hindu Parishad why anwar's edits were slanderous.Bakaman 17:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I came across this duo at Vishva Hindu Parishad, unaware of the previous conflict, or the ongoing conflicts on other pages, and I am trying to get them to discuss the changes on talk instead of simply reverting each other. Sorry I can't comment on the other pages and do not want to get more involved than I already am. I'm keeping my hopes up that the dispute can be reasonably settled through simple talk page discussion. Maybe I'm approaching this situation from a too narrow view and someone may want to take a more holistic approach.-Andrew c 17:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It also seems that Anwar doesnt not need my help to get into disputes on Hinduism related images. He was trolling and was soundly shut down by user anetode on the Hindu Forum of Britain image. see history).Bakaman 18:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Both blocked for 48 hours. This sort of revert-warring, on such a massive scale, is really not on. Moreschi 19:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, it is precisely this sort of behaviour that the clause in Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule, which says "Editors may still be blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive", is designed to prevent. Edit-warring up to 2 or 3 reverts on 6 pages in one day is self-evidently disruptive, particularly since there are no other editors involved; it's just these two reverting each other again and again. Protecting six pages just because of the edit-warring of 2 is not only obviously grotesque, but also completely unfair to anyone more productive who wants to edit the pages in question. That would be fundamentally un-wiki. Hence my blocks for disruptive edit-warring across multiple articles. These two have lengthy histories of similar behaviour and big block logs. The pair of them need to knock it off. Moreschi 20:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I protest. This block is wrong and unjustified. It is obvious that Anwar is vandalizing these articles on the basis of borderline racism.--D-Boy 21:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he has been very disruptive. Bakaman has just been doing damage control, along with myself and others. Arrow740 21:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

That's hardly the point. Whatever your differences with another user, revert-warring with them across six or more different articles is hardly the way to resolve them. That's plain disruptive. It's also against the rules. In addition, removing tags on an article that have been placed there by multiple different editors is also frowned upon. IMO both deserved their blocks. Misplaced Pages is most categorically not a battleground, something these two seem to have forgotten. Moreschi 07:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Bakasuprman unblocked

We do not appreciate administrators unilaterally blocking other users for no violation of policy. Please do not do this again. Your admin action has been undone. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Endorse unblock of Bakaman. Yes, Anwar's edits do violate WP's policies and guidelines but blocking him is not really an option here. Blocking users in this manner is a no-no and does more harm than good. Terence 13:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Um. Nick unblocked Bakasuprman, but apparently didn't unblock User:Anwar saadat. This reeks of special treatment, especially given Nick and Baka's involvement in the ongoing Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2. And who exactly is the "we" that Nick refers to? --Akhilleus (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"We" is for the community. I will endorse an unblock of Anwar saadat if done by any other administrator. As for your misguided comments, it was I who highlighted the inappropriate block of Anwar saadat on the Evidence page. Please cease with this conspiratorial and partisan rhetoric. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 14:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying, then, that User:Moreschi is not a member of the community? As for Anwar, two different administrators have already denied his unblock requests, so I won't override them. I don't like to undo other administrators' actions. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The blocking admin's judgment was clouded and if he would have cared to take a look at those pages where the alleged warring took place, these are effectively 0.66 RR blocks. We need dispute resolution for this and not blocks to escalate the situation. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 15:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

O.66RR across six articles? Yep, that's disruption, and last I checked we block for that. And no, my judgment is not clouded: my reasoning abilities are perfectly intact, and I'm virtually uninvolved when it comes to these users. Moreschi 20:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"Clouded"? I think you should have initiated a discussion here before concluding that. Since Anwar had three unblock requests declined before FaysaalF unblocked him, I see a pretty robust consensus for Moreschi's block of Anwar. As for dispute resolution, from what I've seen, neither Anwar or Baka has shown great inclination to engage in discussion, mediation, or anything similar during their sporadic edit-war (except, as I noted, Baka made some talk page posts yesterday). For what it's worth, it looks to me as if Anwar is stalking and trolling Baka, but Baka's response is, for the most part, simply to revert. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Akhilleus. Now is reverting (and making my best attempt to discuss) anything comparable to stalking? No it isnt.Bakaman 15:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Deja vu, anyone? "Humus Sapiens' unblock of Baka was a mistake". That and the earlier "edit-warring duo" post have me confused as to where Rama's Arrow (talk · contribs) ends and Akhilleus (talk · contribs) begins.Bakaman 15:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

As civil as ever. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm merely pointing out my train of thought in the most civil way possible. You accused me of being a proxy of a banned anti-Buddhist troll and I took offense at your mis-characterization of evidence and your opprobrious facilitation of admin abuse. I find that is covered in policy, under WP:CIVIL. Your remarks are little more than "Ill-considered accusations of impropriety of one kind or another".Bakaman 15:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I support the unblock of Bakasuprman per Nearly Headless Nick.Dineshkannambadi 16:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Anwar saadat unblocked

I've just unblocked User:Anwar saadat to cool this down. -- FayssalF - 15:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

These are my thoughts: It seems my unblock requests would not have been declined three times by admins if the diffs I provided were read through. I was not revert warring with Baka here (as Baka blanked entire section without discussion or even a note in the edit summary and here (as Baka removed the formatting for the filmography table without discussion or even a note in the edit summary) and here and here (as Baka inserted link to FU image, no FU rationale provided and introduced POV with links to a partisan blog) and here and here (as Baka reverted a tag to a FU image and blanked a whole section along with supporting links to the Guardian without discussion or even a note in the edit summary) and here (as Baka inserted a subscriber-only link). I hope the matter is clear now.Anwar 15:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Undoing co-admins blocks

I am not a fan of undoing blocks. It just makes things worse as shown above. Both users have been edit warring since a long time and honestly the block of Moreschi was appropriate. My unblock of saadat tries to bring the balance back. I hope both users refrain from using the revert button excessively. -- FayssalF - 15:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not a fan of blocks. They just make things worse as shown above. Was this really a situation so extreme that the blocks were necessary? Are the blocking admins aware of the psychological effects of blocks? Bishonen | talk 15:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC).

Threads about both editors has been common here. It is not the first time Anwar and Baka's conflicts are brought here. There would be rather psychological effects of the blocks on admins i believe as shown above (i.e. Nick and Akhilleus). -- FayssalF - 15:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

A lot of things are brought up on ANI, not all of them are legitimate. It is our job as administrators to decide what is good for the project and what is not. Instead of seeking quick solutions like blocking users pronto, we must encourage them to seek dispute resolution; or perhaps take the prerogative ourselves and initiate one for them. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

These guys have been at it for over a month (see User:Bakasuprman/Archive16#Edit_warring_with_Anwar). Despite plenty of warnings, and two sets of blocks (both undone rather quickly), they've shown no serious inclination to engage in dispute resolution. How do you suggest solving the problem? --Akhilleus (talk) 16:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that this behaviour is endemic for these editors, as witnessed by the sheer number of unpleasant RfArbs in which they have been involved, I'd say ending a fairly lenient 24-hour block is strange, to say the least. That it is Sir Nicholas who's done it should alarm anyone who's read the Request for Arbitration in which he and Bakasuprman were involved. This is quite ridiculously unsubtle, really. Hornplease 19:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I think admins must recuse themselves from taking any admin actions, in cases where allegations of Conflict of interest may occur. And also, requesting the blocking admin to reconsider the block is much better than taking any controversial admin action to undo a block. My $0.02. --Ragib 19:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ragib, and note that this principle from the ongoing Hkelkar 2 arbitration states more or less the same thing. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Answar is a vandalising Hindu articles for no reason. Seeing as he is a muslim, makes his actions extremely predujice.--D-Boy 20:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

We just trolled ourselves

First, I would like to reject the suggestion that my judgment was clouded. It was not. I'm not the one with a vendetta here. I'm not the one trying to push a POV. I'm neutral. Couldn't care less about Indian politics, or Wikipolitics.

Let's please say this all loud and clear: edit-warring is disruptive. I can cope with a bit of edit-warring, but revert-warring with just one other user across six different articles is very disruptive and self-evidently warrants a block. Both of my blocks were, very, very obvious blocks to make. This pair have been fighting each other for yonks with no attempt at dispute resolution. It's time someone tried to whack some sense into this pair, because they are not getting it, and unblocking either of them equates to condoning disruption. Just farcical. Particularly when you are a participant, on the same side, as one of them in an Arbitration case: a clear conflict of interest. Both users violated this rule and the clause in this one, which states the disruptive edit-warriors should be blocked even if they have not violated 3RR. Fighting like across so many articles clearly falls under that clause. Both users violated the rules: they were being disruptive, and we block for disruption, don't we? The unblock was a joke. Politics are clearly being played here. Moreschi 20:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Block of Callelinea (talk · contribs)

I gave this user a 1-hour block after they nominated a dozen or so article for AFD to make a WP:POINT because some of their article looked like they might be deleted.Circeus 18:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably a good idea, since their response indicates that a cool-down time might help. Leebo /C 18:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he nominated every article I've created because he's mad that I nominated several of his non-notable relatives for deletion. Corvus cornix 19:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't even noticed they were yours. The spree was quite ridiculous just looking at their contribution after an edit to Robin Wilson (author) popped up on my watchlist. Circeus 21:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit war?

• Mongol Rally (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Tablecreation (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Sce1313 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

It looks like an edit war. Anyone want to sort it out? Curiously, both accounts have few edits outside this article. Shalom 18:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a slow series of battles to me, but it looks like Theresa knott (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is working on it now. --After Midnight 20:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep I'll try to clean it up a little and hopefully simmer things down too. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfair block?

The user only has three reverts and he was blocked. I think that is because of conflicts of interest, which leads the administrator into obsession, rather than anything else. Please ask both the administrator and the user for mediation and unlock the user because the block is just illegal. SosoMK 20:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note the block log: the reason for blocking was revert warring - not 3 revert rule. And from the policy page for the 3RR: "Editors may still be blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive." Pastordavid 20:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

And also the reverts that seemed to follow User:Mikkalai around prior to the block, on more than one article. Pastordavid 20:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Btw this user had violated 3rr before (see this) and it is possible that it's User:Bonaparte. Alæxis_¿question? 20:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

In a case where a user immediately returns to edit warring, so soon after a 3RR block, we can only assume they didn't "take the hint" from their previous block. That said, the user appears to have been in a revert war with the blocking admin, which might change things a bit; it seems to present a conflict of interest, unless there's something I'm missing, here. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The user is a vandal. He brings bad quality to articles. It is not about controversial content, but about using very bad English, adding irrelevant material to the topic, and refuse to listen stop. --Thus Spake Anittas 00:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Mass redirects with no consensus

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Due to the fact that this was apparently trolling by a banned troll, and the fact that a normal discussion is occuring on the regular talk pages, this is no longer an incident. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Note:User:Flamgirlant turned out to be a sock puppet of User:Kirbytime, see Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Kirbytime

Please check out SqueakBox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) contribs, he has redirected tens of articles related to pedophilia, even though there is no consensus for merge. I found this out when I saw where squeak redirected the page. I checked the its talk page where there is no consensus for merge. I reverted it, and someone else agreed with me and removed the merge proposal tag, while squeak came and reverted it again. I then posted a note on squeak's talk page reminding him not to redirect pages when there is no consensus. I then proceeded to rollback all of his redirects. I just want to hear another opinion on this. Am I totally whack? Thanks.--Flamgirlant 22:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

DPeterson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has just reverted the redirect and says to discuss on the talk page. There is nothing to discuss, it already has been discussed to death and the result was no consensus, twice.--Flamgirlant 22:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that there is ongoing discussion and editing of the mergered three articles. There seems to be a leaning toward merger based on the very close uniformity of content of the article. DPeterson 22:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what the contents of the articles are. I looked at the talk page and saw no consensus to merge, and reverted accordingly. I'm looking for an outside opinion on this.--Flamgirlant 23:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

There is an issue re whether to merge pro-pedophilia activism and anti-pedophilia activism inot pedophilia bnut there is no issue whatsoever re redirects, I was merely fixing double redirects which is always a good idea if a somewhat tedious task. I dont believe this is the place to discuss the rights and wrongs of those merges which flamgirlant disputes, SqueakBox 23:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

No consensus to merge, but it was carried out anyway--Flamgirlant 23:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

There was no consensus to either merge or not to merge and I was editing boldly, SqueakBox 23:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I applaud you for your bold efforts. That's why I labeled your edits as good faith. But there was still no consensus for merge.--Flamgirlant 23:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• I don't really see what any admin is supposed to do here...this is a content disupte. Misplaced Pages:Dispute Resolution may help. — Scientizzle 23:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is a content dispute and I agree that there is no admin action that can be taken. Another editor, Will, has made a great suggestion on the talk page of the article that sort of "splits the difference," and can move us along to creating a better article or articles. DPeterson 00:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a content dispute. There was a lack of consensus for merger. I've never edited the contents themselves. My reason for putting it here was that I was concerned about squeak's mass redirects when there was no consensus. Now admittedly the subject of the article is touchy (no pun intended, yech. Grosses me out.), but even if the articles weren't about illegal activities, if there is no consensus to merge, then it ought not to be merged.--Flamgirlant 00:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a RfC?? Edit warring is underway as well, for what it's worth. I did the "paperwork" on the proposed merger of anti- and pro-pedophile activism into pedophilia, and I supported it. The opinions of established users were running even, pro and con, and the discussion had not been closed. I closed it after the merger because it was pointless to continue to discuss a fait accompli. With the merger done, it's quite difficult to even get back to Pro-pedophile activism where the conversation was taking place, as the entry has been redirected. I located the discussion there because discussion of a previous proposal to merge the two articles, anti- and pro-pedophile activism, had been taking place there, and that proposal was replaced by this proposal. I don't think acting out of process or without consensus was the right thing for SqueakBox to do, and I have made my opinion known. -Jmh123 00:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I still love all of you, so no need for a RfC =). Maybe we need some sort of centralized discussion, 'tis all. But until then, can we keep the articles as they were before the mergers? Isn't that proper wiki guidelines?--Flamgirlant 00:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Note:User:Flamgirlant turned out to be a sock puppet.

User Filiusvita

I'm not sure I have the right distance to block Filiusvita (talk · contribs) myself but I'd like someone to look at it. This user has been vandalizing or at the very least edit-warring on Arab slave trade and Caucasian race, seemingly motivated by racism or, shall we say, a lack of fondness for muslims (see this nice summary of his thoughts, this deletion, this pointy deletion, these two oh-so-subtle edits). He has also edited under 72.177.173.148 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). He does not respond too well to criticism of his actions and has also vandalized Negro . Like I said, I'm tempted to impose a lenghty block myself but I'd prefer to have an outsider's perspective. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 23:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• Indefinite seems the right amount of block time to me... — Scientizzle 00:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

That sure qualifies as lenghty. :-) Pascal.Tesson 00:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Endorse. IMHO no specified length is lengthy enough for this sort of thing :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 03:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Mainspace pages that ought not be in the mainspace

Special:Prefixindex/MoS:

Those are all in the mainspace. Is that the right thing?--Flamgirlant 23:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It's been done in the same way as all the WP: shortcuts to Misplaced Pages: pages. It's not a bad idea, but it would be better to have the namespaces created rather than just put them in the mainspace (this has been suggested before, I'm not sure why it hasn't been done). --Tango 23:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

But they aren't listed as shortcuts on any of the pages they link to, they aren't standard with the other WP: shortcuts, and are going to be a pain to remember. Could we at least get rid of all the ones that don't have inbound links? --tjstrf talk 23:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I see it's listed as one of the "recognized" pseudo-namespaces at Misplaced Pages:Shortcut#List_of_prefixes. Whether that list represents any particular authority, I'm afraid I couldn't say. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Well it says "These pseudo-namespaces are rarely used or deprecated and should be avoided" so I'm not sure how to continue on with this.--Flamgirlant 23:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd support deleting them. I'd never even heard of them before. They don't fit the standard WP:MoS is fine, I don't think ] is, really. They seem a bit pointless. --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 00:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Flamgirlant turned out to be a sock puppet. --Matt57 02:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

In this instance, though, his/her suggestion that we MfD (at least some portion of) these seems a good one. Joe 04:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Apostrophe re: multiple articles involving persistent violations of WP:CIV

• Apostrophe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Please see special contrbutions for user Apostrophe as to edit summaries such as "completely incomprehensible...get over it...it takes a special kind of idiot....dumbest use...READ...Stop being so goddamned obtuse...don't give me that this is your opinion nonsense...It's speculated that I hate you for nt being able to read...incoherence much?" etc. This goes on for months and months, with this editor having been banned for such discourteous behavior without any demonstrative change exhibited after being censured.Netkinetic 00:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Administrator misconduct in deletion debates

I have just discovered that User:Evilclown93 has speedily deleted Category:Fictional affluent characters. There is an ongoing debate at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 1 and another at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. This category and its predecessors have now been deleted without consensus three times. The admins involved are not showing respect for the will of the community, but are doing what they want because they have the technical ability to do so. Please could someone advise me of the appropriate action to take to get higher authoritities to investigate and resolve this matter. Thank you. OrchWyn 02:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

XFD is not a vote. If an administrator feels that something really should be deleted, even with 100% consensus to keep, he can IAR and delete it. Will 02:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

And then he should not be surprised to find it undeleted later. --MichaelLinnear 03:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Even if every other administrator feels that it should be kept? Is there no appeal? Is the power of an administrator completely unlimited? Would you like it if an administrator did this to something that you wanted kept? OrchWyn 03:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) But they would have to have a damn good reason if it was 100% to keep. The deletion message for this category was "housekeeping". It could just be a genuine mistake. Until Evilclown responds we won't know. Grandmasterka 03:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

With regard to the comment that "it is not a vote", no one is saying it is. If you look through the debates, the keepers have put forward many more arguments, and most of them have not even received the courtesy of a response. You really can't say that the deleters won the intellectual debate. All that happened was that one of them who had the power to delete went ahead and did so. OrchWyn 03:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Uninvolved comment: There were five comments to speedy delete in the CfD. I recall seeing this category in CAT:CSD earlier today; I presume that's where Evilclown found it as well. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 03:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

There are also many advocates of retention. And the only grounds for speedy deletion are previous deletions which were performed without consensus, and the latest of which is now up for review. If one accepts that this was a legitimate speedy deletion, then what's to stop any admin deleting any category regardless of the will of the community, and then speedy deleting it every time it reappears regardless of due process and the will of the community? If you agree that the speedy was not correct, please use your powers to restore it asap because right now the current non-existence of this category is distorting a discussion in which many users have participated in good faith, by creating what should be a false impression that the powers that be have already made their decision. OrchWyn 03:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey there; I've replied on your Talk page. I don't feel comfortable reverting Evilclown's decision to delete without hearing what he has to say first. Besides, isn't it on DRV? Nitpick: I don't consider myself to have admin powers, but admin rights. :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 03:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

At this time, it would be appropriate to close the discussion on Category:Fictional affluent characters at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 1 and wait for the deletion review on Category:Fictional wealthy characters at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review to reach a conclusion. Instead of recreating the category under a different name, the interested editors should have gone to WP:DRV if they wanted to dispute the administrator's decision.

Also, although the Category:Fictional affluent characters page itself does not exist, it currently exists as red links in many articles. When the WP:DRV reaches a conclusion, I recommend either deleting the red linked categories or changing all of the red links to correspond to the "wealthy characters" category name. Dr. Submillimeter 09:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• I concur with Submilli. This is an end-run around DRV. Have some patience. >Radiant< 12:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

revert warring at List of United States cities by population

Not knowing the topic of this featured list, I am totally lost as to the content dispute, and I doubt protecting will do any good, as user:Kaldari (which should really know better) is another admin. Circeus 03:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The topic of the war is 3 (three) not-tremendously-large cities which may or may not have been measured with parts of their surrounding counties by the US census bureau, all of which is explained in the article, so the only dispute is where to point the links from their names. Sheesh. For what it's worth, I think I agree with Kaldari, (we've got specific articles on the way the census bureau treats the city/county bit, we might as well use them) but the main danger I see is of this dispute getting into WP:LAME. You have been warned. --AnonEMouse 13:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Userpage insulting?

User:Ilyuuxox and User:Lilrockinbabi95 seem to be in an insult war about real life. I've never seen anything like this. -Flubeca 03:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Strange. Unless it's actually interfering with their contributions, I guess there's nothing wrong with it. You could also try Miscellany for Deletion. --Hemlock Martinis 04:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's already been deleted by CambridgeBayWeather. --Dark Falls 04:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, just came to say the same thing and I have pointed them to WP:NOT. Also picked up User:Em95. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry and Personal Attacks by 70.144.143.165/BlackStarRock

User:70.144.143.165 is currently engaging in personal attacks against myself and two other editors. Furthermore, he is a sockpuppet of User:BlackStarRock (edits refer to each other as independant users, however edit history shows otherwise. He's also made several attacks, and has not made any contributions to mainspace that are in complete good faith. Furthermore, he is also attempting to claim ownership of Rotom and his talkpage, as per some of his comments. Thanks! P3net 04:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You may disregard this, it Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/70.144.143.165has been addressed. Cheers! P3net 04:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

As a side note, User:BlackStarRock was blocked a day for disrupting the SSP case. -Jeske 04:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

URGENT - please help!

This individual individual destroyed my harmless anti-genocide denial userbox and messed up my profile page code, so now even if I revert to previous version, nothing is lined up properly - nothing works. He completely destroyed the work in which I invested hours of my time. Take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Bosniak . Please help! Are there any objective administrators around? Please help. Bosniak 04:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The template was deleted per Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 June 25#Template:User Against Srebrenica Genocide Denial. If you feel it is necessary, go to WP:DRV—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Just userfy the userbox and you'll be fine. --Hemlock Martinis 04:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Cauzentrouble

Would somebody please block the bothersome vandal Cauzentrouble (talk · contribs)? I've listed him at WP:AIV, but reverting his nonsense is getting boring. Corvus cornix 06:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Mass redirects with no consensus, redux

I happen not to be a banned troll, so I'll restart this discussion.

Both SqueakBox and DPeterson continue to redirect the articles Pro-pedophile activism and Anti-pedophile activism to Pedophilia. A quick glance at this talk page shows that a vote on the proposal was failing 3-6 before it was closed and declared "no consensus." The "being bold" defense clearly does not hold water when the idea has already been discussed extensively, with the majority of users disapproving. The merge is a dead issue; the proposal clearly failed. Please take appropriate action.

Mike D78 06:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

What action would you have an admin take? Corvus cornix 06:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Whatever is appropriate for the situation. Since they keep reverting the pages to redirect even after a long discussion resulted in no consensus on the idea, I would consider their changes to be vandalism. But I'll let an admin decide what action is necessary. Mike D78 06:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I've recently begun watching the relevant pages. There are clear problems here, with just as clear solutions. The main Pedophilia article has become bloated with activism information, most of it pro-, that simply duplicates information from the Pro-pedophilia activism page and completely takes over the article. What needs to happen is both Pro-pedophilia activism and Anti-pedophilia activism need to be moved/redirected to Pedophilia activism, and the duplicated material deleted/merged from the main article.

I've submitted a move request at Requested moves, but if revert warring and edit warring is happening, the relevant pages may need protecting and those engaging in the behaviour may need blocking. Exploding Boy 06:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Warning people - Mike D78 (talk · contribs) is almost certainly another sockpuppet of the pedophilia-obsessed Kirbytime (talk · contribs), as was Flamgirlant (talk · contribs), who was the originator of the above thread. - Merzbow 06:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The time has clearly come to be bold. Exploding Boy 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

But Exploding Boy is not anybody's sock, and rightfully sees that something's not right. Editing warring just isn't the way to solve disputes. Pro-pedophile activism has now been locked, and the material is duplicated on both pages. Exploding Boy has proposed a merger between pro- and anti-, again, and I'm getting dizzy with deja vu. There has to be a better way than this. ETA: looks like he's got things into some kind of form to carry on the conversation without reduplications everywhere. -Jmh123 07:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Merzbow, I am most certainly not a sockpuppet of "Kirbytime" or any other user; in fact, a look at my contributions will show that I've been editing since before his last account was blocked. I don't appreciate you making these unfounded accusations against me, and furthermore, simply the fact that a banned user originally brought up this issue does not mean that the issue is not relevant. Mike D78 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure who locked that article; it wasn't me. I've proposed that the Pro-pedophile activism article be renamed Pedophilia activism, and that all activism related to the subject be included in that article, unless there's a good reason for separate articles (ie: there is a lot of information, too much for one article covering both sides, which is unlikely based on the current state of all related articles, and the fact that the anti-pedophilia activism information currently available comprises about 2 paragraphs). Exploding Boy 07:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Expecting pro- and anti- paedophilia activists to cooperate on a single article is "a bit" optimistic. Dan Beale 15:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

They will by necessity be separate sections, so ne'er the twain shall meet. Exploding Boy 16:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup, Mike D78 is probably another sock of Kirbytime. --Matt57 14:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry by User:Sarvagnya. Plz. refer Telugu script and others

Please refer to Telugu script and other Telugu or Marathi related articles, for possible cases of Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry against the above user, for circumventing WP rules.

Plz. also see the page for reports, for checking User:Sarvagnya. Thanking You, Altruism 08:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am tempted to delete this thread as nonsense. But I wont. You are the one who has violated 3RR on that article and going against consensus of multiple editors. I have even reported you and you should be blocked soon. Until then, carry on with your nonsense.

ps - can any admin please take action here Sarvagnya 09:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You can't delete this thread without reason. This is unrelated to your 3RR complaint against me.People have had enough of the notorious "editor gang," plaguing painstakingly-done projects on Telugu, Marathi, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and umpteen number of other articles. I think it is high time that the "gang" and others of its ilk be exposed, for greater good, come what may. I know that I haven't wronged and have challenged the gang's hegemony. If the latter is a mistake I'm ready to accept any possible action, including a permanent block.

No sensible admin would blindly do whatever you say, without going into the merits & demerits and understanding the problem fully. It is beyond doubt that some users, have greatly undermined WP's purpose, by imposing their fanatical ideas upon countless number of helpless users and wasted countless precious man-hours with petty politics/ideas.

Mind your language and note that you have no business to use uncivil language against me. Despite all the animosity (which I'm sure there is) I haven't ever used a word in your fashion. I strongly suggest that you read WP:CIVIL.--Altruism 09:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How can we refer to something if there are no diffs to show any wrongdoing? Bakaman 14:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Altruism, How silly can you get trying to accuse of sock puppetry and such. Either you are new to wiki or you are being instigated to lodge this complaint and hence playing to an audience. The fact you mention articles unrelated to you (Marathi/Maharashtra) implies this.Dineshkannambadi 14:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Altruism: What is your point here, anyway? Are you trying to escape from WP:3RR violation you have made in Telugu script? Without the supporting diffs please do not make allegations on other users, which is often considered as personal attack. "Please refer to this, this and this articles for possible cases of Sockpuppetry" - What does this statement convey?

"Circumventing WP rules"?? Which rules? Can you please explain with the diffs. Thanks - KNM 14:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfair

We are all making inputs in Misplaced Pages with good faith and clean intentions. I have made similar edits in the past in Telugu language, Telugu script, Brahmic family etc., and my edits were reverted without giving proper reasons. When I cited references they were branded fake. When I gave page numbers they were termed 'unreliable'. When I reproduced large chunks of material on talk pages they were ignored. When I tried to protest collusion of certain group of persons I was threatened with blocking. When I complained to some administrators they expressed their helplessness, busy schedules and inability to understand the topic. So, who will come to the rescue of well-meaning people? Please see the talk pages of the earlier mentioned articles. I strongly suspect sockpuppetry in this case too.Kumarrao 09:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

For convenience sake, the Talk pages in question are Talk:Telugu language, Talk:Telugu script, Talk:Brahmic family and many more

• Please see Sarvagnya's Contributions and those of similar users, and decide for yourself. Thanking You, Altruism 10:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Just saw Sarvagnya's Contributions. What is there to decide? What do you mean by "similar users"?

Unless you provide the supporting diffs, i'm afraid, it is not going to help the case. Thanks, - KNM 15:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: User ShakespeareFan00

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Nothing to see here and certainly nothing requiring administrator intervention. Nick 12:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there!

Can you administrators please have a look at user ShakespeareFan00's talk page? I get a feeling he's made it his/hers personal mission to slap "non-fair use rationale" tags on just about every single picture that's being uploaded at the moment.

Thanks in advance.

Dreamer.se 10:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)dreamer.se

Looking at the talk page, I get the same impression. Od Mishehu 10:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

And it's good work, too. This is necessary work. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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Bam Bam Slim Fast and Lee's Summit

I noticed a lot of attempts by multiple users to create articles about this Seattle based radio announcer yesterday, using various different versions of his name, all of which were speedy deleted. e.g. Bam Bam AKA Slim Fast (which has now been protected) Slimfast BamBam etc Also many additions of his name to the Lee's Summit, Missouri article as a notable resident. Finally, the explanation came from one user that Mr. Bam Bam had said on air that he should be included in WP and his upbringing in Lee's Summit noted. . Another article involved is Church of lazlo. I write this to ask for some extra eyes and help, as it seems likely that this might be a recurring theme once he gets back on the air today. Thanks.--Slp1 11:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Article has been semi-protected.-Wafulz 14:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Neutralhomer

Neutralhomer continues to vandalize the redirect from Jews to Jew. After reverting to the last non-vandalized version of the redirect, he threatened to block me, accusing me of vandalism. Requesting intervention. Perspicacite 12:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Have reported this user to WP:AIV. Continues to remove 77,000+ words from an article. - NeutralHomer 12:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

He appears to have some sort of anti-Semitic agenda. The only difference between the page he is reverting to and the July 2 version of "Jew" is that the "Jews" page is under Category:Participants in the September 11, 2001 attacks. Perspicacite 12:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am actually insulted! Wow! No, I don't read the page, don't care what's in it. 77,000+ words down to 17, I revert it. The content of the page, I leave that up to someone else. I ask, though, you take retract the "anti-Semitic" comment, because it is rude, uncalled for, and not anywhere close to what I am doing. - NeutralHomer 12:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

This appears to be a content dispute, but it should be noted that you should not be copy and pasting the text from Jew into Jews as is occurring. If you want to move the article, the correct venue for discussion is at Talk:Jew. Will (aka Wimt) 12:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually have no interest in the subject what-so-ever. I see it on the "Recent Changes" page, clicked on it, revert, Warn2'd the user, and went on from there. Seen it was reverted again, Warn3'd and well, you get the idea. I have no real interest in the article, I leave that up to someone else. - NeutralHomer 12:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How is this a content dispute? He deliberately put the article into Category:Participants in the September 11, 2001 attacks. He then proceeded to harass me for reverting his vandalism. I would think his edits merit a 24-hr block at least. Perspicacite 12:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

In fact it seems to me to be an innocent mistake. He is reverting to the copy and paste move from Jew seemingly introduced by an IP here which happened to contain that category. I see no evidence that he is deliberately introducing that category. It is true Jews should stay as a redirect (unless Jew is moved there properly and with consensus) but I see no grounds for a block. Will (aka Wimt) 12:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

AGAIN...I do not read the articles, when I see a article that has been reduced from 77,000+ words to 17, I instantly revert it. The content of the article, especially something like Judaism, for which I do not understand and don't claim to even understand in the least, I leave up to someone who does. I am not going to catch a category at the bottom of a page. If I did, I would have certainly removed it, but again, that is not my department. Actually, reverting vandalism isn't either, I just do it to help out.

So, again...I was not vandalising, I was reverting what I thought was vandalism. I have no agenda and I am not and have not vandalised. - NeutralHomer 12:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

This user apparently has a long history of incivility, referring to the "bastards" (no doubt the Jews) behind 9/11.. Perspicacite 12:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

No doubt his past edits involving Category:Participants in the September 11, 2001 attacks and Cat:Victims of 9/11 are coincidental. Righttttt. Perspicacite 12:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

My edit summary on the September 11 page was about people who were Islamic, for one, who took down the Twin Towers. But, I shouldn't have lost my temper and said that on my edit summary.

But it had NOTHING to do with Jewish people, actually had nothing to do with Islamic people. Just 19 "bastards".

Now, you need to stop this personal attack you are going on, because you can be blocked for that. - NeutralHomer 12:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Perspicacite, you seem to be entirely lacking in any kind of good faith assumption here. Neutralhomer has said that he just saw what appeared to be a blanking of content and reverting it. Trying to insinuate from this and his previous areas of contribution that he is antisemitic is not acceptable. Please stop this now. The issue in question is resolved, let's all get on doing some productive. Will (aka Wimt) 12:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Neutralhomer, I would appreciate it if in the future you look at the articles before you edit them. Perspicacite 13:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Unblock User:Matrix17 since he has been misthreated

unblock user matrix17 since he has been misthreated by users>yamla and steel on english wikipedia. its obvious that they have blocked him not in good faith and for the best of wikipedia but because they dont like him. and since user steel uses word like bad ass and stuff like that to describe matrix17 i think its quite obvious that something is very wrong.matrix17 has contributed with alot on wikipedia he was the one who started the articel for example on riyo mori winner of miss universe and he has done man good articles on swedish celebrities and sutch. i think its something smelling about this blocking and i would rather see him ge tunblocked then being blocked for 6 months which is way to far. i also saw tha tone admin sayed that matrix17 should apply for adoption here on wikipedia, but how can he do tha twhen hes talk page has bene blocked (which is obviously steels work so he cant communicate with other here) i would like to now how that admin thinked. anyway my standpoint is unblock matrix17. hope not to get censored just because this is my opinion.--86.90.169.62 14:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• • Hi there little sock. -N 14:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
    • i guess its easy to blame a sockpuppet for a opinion. when you all know its wrong and just wants to get ridd of someone who has a different opinion.--86.90.169.62 14:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
      • user yamla sayed that she blocked matrix17 because he had created a nn bios on Ebba von Sydow which was proven not to be a nn bios. and afterwards she didnt even apologize to the user or unblock the user. how can matrix17 have done anything wrong when it wasnt a nn bios and thats why yamla blocked him. then anothe ruser first unblocked him and then user steel blocked him again, thats not nice at all in my book anyway.--86.90.169.62 14:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Fernandobouregard is Jimbo?

So is this user actually Jimbo Wales (I doubt it) or is it blatant impersonation? His user page is a copy of Jimbo's user page, his talk page is an out of date copy of the Jimbo Wales article talk page.--Atlan (talk) 14:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that was some really quick action by Deskana. Case closed.--Atlan (talk) 14:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Punch Bowl

I would appreciate someone taking a look at this article, which has a sizable section about my editing of the article, violating WP:SELF. I don't want to get into an edit war; I am sensitive about the subject because it was one of the things that led to my stepping down as an admin. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed it. There's absolutely no point to it being in there other than an attack. It does not add to the article in any way. It is, at best, useless trivia. Metros 15:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:SkoopPop

I was just over on Wikinews and apparently there was a JB196 sockpuppet trying to take credit for finding the Chris Benoit edit. The account name was User:SkoopPop, and I found the same username has registered here on Misplaced Pages, so we may want to block this account as a sleeper account of JB196's. — Moe ε 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please link appropriate diffs from Wikinews. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 16:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Only one diff and the URL he provides gives the name Jonathan Barber, also known as JB196. — Moe ε 16:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Open proxy and two sleepers blocked. Good eyes. --jpgordon 16:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. — Moe ε 16:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Hoserjoe

I´m in an argument with two or three users -don´t know exactly, cause the one mentioned above might have two usernames. It´s about IMO unverified or poorly veryfied information regarding the an allegend post world war 2 terrorist/insurgent movenent in Germany. Instead of some hard facts I get called a nazi sympathizer and THAT crosses a line. Look under warnings on this discussion page: Talk:Werwolf Markus Becker02 17:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

GiorgioOrsini yet again

User:GiorgioOrsini repeatedly destroys absolutely necessary corrections to grammar and formatting; deletes legitimate warnings and comments on his talk page; falsely accuses people of vandalism when they correct grammar, formatting and NPOV; and has insulted other editors on talk pages and in edit notes. He was recently temporarily blocked for confirmed sock puppetry, but obviously that wasn't enough since he keeps blatantly violating both the letter and the spirit of Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. See his edit history for more details, especially in relation to the Neo-Nazism and Ustaše articles.Spylab 17:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please, check all 'contributions' of Spylab on Neo-Nazism - complete removal of the text related to the Thompson's concert in Zagreb , removal references and strictly referenced text, mutilation of the originally contributed text under pretext of grammar correction and formatting. Also, Spylab comments (warnings) on my talk page are offensive and not civil. See the Neo-Nazism talk page, too.--Giorgio Orsini 19:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikistalking and incivility - need administrator's help

I am being wikistalked and they are being incivil to me. This is against wiki policy ]. I made a very neutral comment on the talk page of Senator Barack Obama here ]. User:Tvoz, who POV pushes at the Barack Obama article (as he as edited 239 in this article, far more than any other article he has edited), began wikistalking me.

I created a very obscure article about the Astronaut Hall of Fame. Immediately, Tvoz begins contentious editing there. That article is so obscure that this is not a chance event. Later, I edited about the very, very obscure Johann Schobert, who is NOT the famous composer Schubert. Guess what, Tvoz follows me there and causes trouble.

Tvoz is all violating AGF by calling me a sock because of my 2nd very neutral Barack Obama talk page edit. ]

For wikistalking, incivility (calling people socks just cuz you don't agree and want to push POV, and not AGF, Tvoz should be blocked for 24 hours. Help! Feddhicks 18:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom placed Gazimestan speech on probation

I have reverted this article Gazimestan speech with the comment that's in the tag "The Arbitration Committee has placed this article on probation. Editors making disruptive edits may be banned by an administrator". There seem to be two issues, the emperors-clothes web-site is deemed non-RS in all circumstances, and there has been serious POV entries made to this article. I don't know what the next step would be if it's reverted again. PalestineRemembered 19:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:Nikola Smolenski. I posted this two days ago - it's disappointing that the edit war has been allowed to continue without intervention, in blatant contravention of article probation. Unfortunately I can't act myself because I wrote the original version of the article which other editors are now fighting over. I'd appreciate it if another administrator could review this and act. -- ChrisO 19:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I've protected the page for a bit, though I'd like another admin to pop over there and make sure I'm not too involved to have done so. --jpgordon 19:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

In indirect relation to the above, I've also made a minor modification to Misplaced Pages:Copyright to make a sentence clearer, give the Wayback Machine its official name (i.e. Internet Archive) and link to an external source explaining its status (see diff). It doesn't affect the existing policy, merely the wording. The edit is being disputed by a user involved in the above-mentioned edit war. It would be helpful if another admin could check the diff and advise on whether it's a reasonable clarification. -- ChrisO 19:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

New Seven Wonders of the World editwar

Snjv has been making several edits to the New Seven Wonders of the World, insisting that the company is a "for-profit" institution. This user references the company's terms and conditions as somehow proving that the company is not a non-profit. I think that perhaps this is a very literal reading of the words "non-profit", and saw no mention of anything relevant on the page the user linked. This article, on the other hand, by the MSN Travel network, explicitly mentions that the company is non-profit (" . . . says the nonprofit organization conducting the balloting"). Two messages on the user's talk page went without a response. I am in danger of breaking the ever-fearsome 3RR on this, and would like assistance if possible. Please communicate with me via my Talk page. Sorry to trouble you guys! --Action Jackson IV 20:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

This appears to be a content dispute, so you should follow the steps of dispute resolution. And of course, don't violate the 3RR. --Akhilleus (talk) 20:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Right. Well, I'll just work on step two for the next few months :) --Action Jackson IV 20:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Harassment

The editor Orangemarlin:

• sent me frivolous warnings about alleged vandalism ,
• repeatedly insulted and slandered me
  • "… Mr. panty and penis obsessed …"
  • "… Mr. Panty obsessed …"
  • "I found it amusing that he's obsessed with panties and penises."
  • "… audacious ****wit …"
• was extremely aggressive and provocative
• tried to remove an active unfavorable discussion from his talk page and then called me a vandal when I reverted it
• falsely accused me of being a vandal, even though it was explained to him by a neutral third party that it's wrong

The case can best be seen by the discussion in my talk page. The only policy I've broken is WP:EQ, which itself was after being provoked, but he's flagrantly violated WP:AFG, WP:CIVIL, and WP:HARASS. What had caused all this was simply following the wrong procedure from WP:ARCHIVE, and trusting the WP:BOLD guideline, since there was a calling need for a big talk page to be archived, and WP:BITE, since I'm new to editing. All this was stated clearly and several times in the pertinent talk page. The same actions, but done by a different editor, have not caused anyone to call him a vandal.

Having been treated so unjustly has caused me pain, and I believe I've been in the right the entire time, so I'm calling for any disciplinary action against User:Orangemarlin, just so he would maybe understand that he was wrong. –Fatalis 21:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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